Tanks lose aggro when they take dmg?

no matter you are OT or DPS, you need to pay attention on enmity gauge, when the gauge starts flashing red/ yellow triangle on the mob you are targeting, you need to hold back on your regular rotation so the MT wont loose the aggro.

How you passed T2 if you don't even know should not use combo 123 as OT. You do much more Dmg you pull ago from MT.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

These numbers are off by a bit, in shield oath should be Auto-attacks are 80+25%enmity, not a huge difference in the long run, but it is a difference.

Anyway, after(well while) running Cape Westwind earlier today I had a realization.
Myself outgearing the other Pld that was there neither of us taunting/flashing/etc. just pure DPS rotations while in Sword Oath.

Hate flip-flopped back and forth, I out damaged him, and yet ...
Hate flip-flopped back and forth, I took initial hate, FoF > Shield Lob > CoS > RoH spam w/ FoF/SW/CoS kept on CD full time and yet ...
Hate flip-flopped back and forth

Someone explain to me again how we "know" that there is no enmity falloff, either with damage taken or over time.

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So they are off - ok - in favor of my explaination.

What may have happend in the second case: As you said you did outdamage him. Thus you made more damage in ShO than he could doin ShO. But his damage and therefore his aggro is higher in SwO. You read why in my post above. As your halonecombo finishes you get aggro. He lands his halone - he gets it. Your halone goes off you get it. You just got that rare occation where you outgear him that much that you got the same amount of enmity production.

You can test it very very easy if there is a dropoff. Just hit an enemy once. Then let hit someone else hit him (high enough to take not the aggro). Do nothing. If there would be a drawoff due to taking damage the other one would get it. 290 minutes would be a good time to make it relevant from a statistical point of view.

There's no damage drop off. Straight damage a SWO will generate more enmity than SHO. Shield Oath is a huge boost to Flash as an enmity tool as it deals no damage. Long story short. Watch your enmity at that part.

Lol, good place to be a warrior OT. Usually starting a few secs after PLD MT, berserk+unchained+internal release, Maim/Storm's Eye combo instead of enmity. Probably 1 Skull Sunder/Butcher's Block later. Full DPS, lower agro than pure RoH combo, no danger of taking threat unless you really lay on the enmity combo a lot.

Then of course you pay for being WAR on waves 5 & 6 when miss the defensive cooldowns. >.<

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Originally Posted by Sinaloa

So they are off - ok - in favor of my explaination.

What may have happend in the second case: As you said you did outdamage him. Thus you made more damage in ShO than he could doin SwO. But his damage and therefore his aggro is higher in SwO. You read why in my post above. As your halonecombo finishes you get aggro. He lands his halone - he gets it. Your halone goes off you get it. You just got that rare occation where you outgear him that much that you got the same amount of enmity production.

You can test it very very easy if there is a dropoff. Just hit an enemy once. Then let hit someone else hit him (high enough to take not the aggro). Do nothing. If there would be a drawoff due to taking damage the other one would get it. 290 minutes would be a good time to make it relevant from a statistical point of view.

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Yeah, they are in favor of yours, I was just pointing out that the gap is bigger ^^

Italics are just fixed to what I believe you meant to say.

Yeah, we were both in sword oath, I wouldn't do content that far below my gear level in shield lol
At any rate, next time I can borrow a tank for 2 hours of standing still I'll test this. I was thinking flash together in equal gear on a mob then just stand there, no attacking.
A 3rd person to grab the mob initially so there is no artificial "first hit/claim" enmity bump.

Seeing people claim "How you passed T2 if you don't even know should not use combo 123 as OT. You do much more Dmg you pull ago from MT. " make my head hurt.
Dont you dare tell me to not use my Halone combo as OT. I have the brain capacity to watch my Enmity levels and not over throw the main tank. If anything I keep my enmity just below MT on purpose. If anything was to happen to him, I'm instantly able to fill the position.
Sure Its not hard to max enmity in a pinch and take over tanking. But if you can do it, why not do it.

In short if you can't control your own enmity, avoid it. If you understand how to play. Enjoy

Bro, in the same gear but different oaths, the sword oath RoH combo will rip hate off of the other tank if both tanks are competent at their jobs. The only way to 'fall back' is to pause your rotation, CC, buff, or change combos. Since that's the case, the man is right.


**edit** if you want to take hate the moment a tank goes down, just provoke > lob/savage blade/flash

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

Yeah, they are in favor of yours, I was just pointing out that the gap is bigger ^^

Italics are just fixed to what I believe you meant to say.

Yeah, we were both in sword oath, I wouldn't do content that far below my gear level in shield lol
At any rate, next time I can borrow a tank for 2 hours of standing still I'll test this. I was thinking flash together in equal gear on a mob then just stand there, no attacking.
A 3rd person to grab the mob initially so there is no artificial "first hit/claim" enmity bump.

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First correction no second yes - thx fixed it. It doesn´t matter who pulled it with how much aggro. If there is a fall off due to getting damage tha aggro will swap at some time and back as that person gets hit. But that won´t happen.

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Originally Posted by baopee

no matter you are OT or DPS, you need to pay attention on enmity gauge, when the gauge starts flashing red/ yellow triangle on the mob you are targeting, you need to hold back on your regular rotation so the MT wont loose the aggro.

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It's funny how most people know this but yet choose to ignore this because they love seeing big numbers.