Have to agree with removing TP as a factor with Sprint.
Sprint has a long enough cooldown timer that it doesnt really need any costs associated with it.
Wanders Palace Pre any nerf since i last did it & dont know about?> IT required you to sprint to avoid an attack at the second boss. Which as a games mechanic was unacceptable then the added slap to the face of no TP..... Not very well thought out many of these things in the game.
(On A Side Note: Suppose it could be worse i mean what kind of person put in a game mechanic or Allow game mechanics in game like: Avoiding a AOE in the middle of the room where healers dont get notification due to haveing players targeted.....(Amdapor Keep) OR where a monster runs to the middle of a room to do a AOE (Or ice/fire blast) while you are targeting Wvyerns or party memebers in the oppisate direction of vie, no notifcation + lagg.....(hydra), generaly game mechanics that involve 0 to 50ms ping when you can't supply that to its players, You really have to question why this stuff wasnt properly tested & proper feedback wasnt given. <--Those examples both require sprint at times depending on player, connection, how much attanchion is being payed to things)
Balence Issue: Sprint should not take TP
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10-24-2013, 05:31 PMprymortal
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10-24-2013, 05:34 PMCrizz13
I dont see whats wrong here O.o.......if your a Tank and going to use sprint in battle you are running from your own death....of course mages need it to dodge things the squishy guys cant handle...same with some dps...if sprint took mages MP then they would just sit there and watch you die cause a WHM or SCH cant heal you with no MP....i think the system is perfectly fine
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10-24-2013, 05:41 PMDistraughtKoalaBio 1? Or Miasma 2? FEAR ME AND MY RUIN 2 AND BIO 1 SPAM!!!! ALL OF THE DAMAGE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaminggnome
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10-24-2013, 05:51 PMKolainaAK situation - Huge purple glowy thing in middle of the room is a pretty fair indication whether you see the boss cast bar or notQuote:
Originally Posted by prymortal
Hydra - generally well known that when Hydra runs to the middle of the room, you do too -
10-24-2013, 06:30 PMJynxiiAttention and knowledge trumps all of these situations; you do not need sprint. The only time I've ever needed it myself, or have actually seen it used, is running around town (in which case you won't need TP) or during a speed run (which arguably is unintended). Oh, and running from node to node in Turn2, by which point you regen 'enough' TP before starting the next encounter. EDIT: And of course the encounter in WP where you have to run from the slime, but again, your TP should be plenty regenerated by the time he stops chasing you and you go back to damage him.Quote:
Originally Posted by prymortal
Arguably, these mechanics WERE tested, just by people that were paying attention and realised they couldn't bake a cake and calculate the square root of Phi while trying to run a dungeon. Get some knowledge for the encounters and pay attention to the mechanics, and you'll find things go a lot better; it is the same reason why the first time you do something you generally fail, but after you'e done it 10 times you breeze through it. Of course, it all spirals downwards, because if you need to use sprint as a crutch, you probably aren't doing as well as you could be in other areas, so you're overall performance gets worse.
TL;DR:- Attention and knowledge trumps mechanics; you shouldn't need sprint in battle. MP cost on sprint would end encounters early when healers accidentally/purposely use sprint and no longer have mana to heal. Do you guys even consider these kind of situations before you make comments like these? Or is it "This affects me so needs to be changed to affect everyone!" or "The small PvP portion of this PvE focused game will be broken if it stays this way!" (even though we know bards are going to own everyone anyway, not the casters). Egocentrism at its finest. -
10-24-2013, 07:29 PMKule
Mages are a lot squishier than DD and tanks.. so should we give all mages better defence and HP at the same time as we remove TP cost from Sprint?
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10-24-2013, 09:18 PMReplicaXMelee DPS - Higher Physical Defense, Lower Magical Defense, Melee DPSQuote:
Originally Posted by Kule
Mage DPS - Higher Magical Defense, Lower Physical Defense, Ranged DPS
Bard - In the middle, Ranged DPS
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10-24-2013, 09:49 PMAltaneenXIV
I disagree, I like it the way it is now.
I hope that when Thf rolls around we get a flee that does the same thing as sprint, but with no TP drain. If everyone can sprint carelessly, flee will be pointless.
Mages will never be able to kite as well as a Thf due to how squishy they are, but now bare with me, what good would a Thf kiter be if Pld could sprint carelessly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReplicaX
Also, mages sprinting gives them no advantage inside of content, if they sprint passed the tank they can only go as far as then next pack of mobs. Are you jelly they can stand in front of the mobs waiting on the tank to arrive for 3 seconds before the rest of the party gets there? -
10-24-2013, 09:55 PMMythrellaThese are low damage/healing spells. And who spams dots? My monk friend does a lot more damage on the move than aero spam, and can jump to the boss... dragoon I don't know much about. Tanks can still block, no? TP regens so fast so how is it really an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachiko
I don't use sprint much in combat personally but I don't support a nerf to it just for casters. They're already rooted for anything worth casting, unlike melee/bards.
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10-24-2013, 10:09 PMReplicaXIt's not a nerf, as its not a requirement in battle at all. It's not needed at all. Therefore it is not a nerf to casters at all. If a caster relies on sprint, they need to rethink their strats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrella
Sprint is there for convenience more than anything. Not a regular off GCD skill for Mages.
So by your reasoning Mages can sprint carelessly as TP is useless to them as it stands now and flee would be useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaneenXIV