Like I said before, take it all with a grain of salt, maybe two or three. When SE started banning accounts there were reddit posts, and multiple threads started within minutes by multiple people complaining of getting locked out of the game. Now we have one or two threads with maybe a handful of people saying it happened to them, fear mongering that SE is going after legitimate players by the scores. Yet I don't see these scores of posts.. Just fear mongering by a few people who say this happened to them, and a few others who say they know someone.. and of course ALL of these people are 100% innocent, without a doubt.. /rolleyes...
I'm not sure what's worse, all the fear mongering, or the dolts who are buying into it.
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10-09-2013, 01:23 AMMishakai
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10-09-2013, 01:26 AMMaskedI actually do but, I chose to play with friends moving to the game as to continuing 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
I do agree and sympathize but, sadly, there's a double standard.
The first 50's had it easy. Do you see SE stripping gear? I don't.
The first crafters on each server made significant amounts of money, honestly. Regardless of the source of that money, they were just as legitimate as the first 50's. You put just as much effort into that craft as anyone did farming dungeons but, with this ban and lack of CS, you are losing the fruits of your labor.
Catering to the RMT situation and not rectifying the other creates a very bad double standard from a CS perspective and it's also splitting the community...Which, we can all clearly see. -
10-09-2013, 01:27 AMCodekTheoretically speaking, this shouldn't be the case if RMT was not a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by YuriRamona
Only in the randomized case that you were the only person on the server to strictly focus on farming and many others strictly focused on leveling crafts that require buying those moats, would you be in a situation to make mass profits.
Generally, the number of players the reach max level as farmers is balanced with the number needing the mats. This also balances out to the amount of Gil that happens to exist on the server as well.
If you exist as a sole farmer, its mostly the case that you would have very few buyers that can actually afford the mats you wish to give out, that alone prevents mass profits from being made. Once you have more buyers, other farmers also begin to appear, which evenly distributes the gains.
Throw RMT into the mix and you magically produce an excess of buyers that shouldn't exist. Once this happens, there really is no simple "undo" button to fix the mess that spawns. -
10-09-2013, 01:28 AMMaskedI actually KNOW a significant amount of people that were suspended for it...There are many more that can prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishakai
I don't know what's worse...The ignorance about a legitimate situation or the theory-crafting that people randomly made it up, overnight? -
10-09-2013, 01:31 AMAenarionmarket supply and demand determines the price, not your personal preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowzanon
again, you don't get to decide what is "reasonable". You don't like how high those are? go talk to SE who raised the recipe requirement of hamlet(now tomestomes) ingredients from 2 to 9, with each item requiring either 9 or 18 of these, which costed over 100k at the beginningQuote:
then the lvl 70 crafted armor way over reasonable prices… they shot themselves in their own feet when they decided 1.5 mil was decent enough for a crafted lvl 70 item without materia involved (back then)
were the crafters supposed to spend 1.8 mil in mats to sell the product to you for 50k?
yea because a crap ton of people have finished gettng the DL pieces they wanted and have nothing else to spend their philosophies on, thus increasing the supply, and driving down prices.Quote:
Now those prices have dropped considerably.
only because you are as clueless as Shadowzanon on basic economic principle and knowledge about crafting and market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegis
irrelevant, especially on a legacy server. Even on non-legacy, the final price has to be determined by material cost.Quote:
That's twice to three times what the average player completes the main storyline with.
In your dreams maybe.Quote:
It's harsh for the crafter, very harsh, but hopefully they only have to do this dragnet once or twice to cut RMT off at the root.
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10-09-2013, 01:33 AMGazelleeeThis is my issue. Let me preface this by saying I believe this is BS by SE and that those that were found innocent and unsuspended should not have been treated this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadebreth
BUT, I feel it seems the people who got this treatment are the ones that were selling 2stars for 1 million gil to fresh 50s in week 2-3. Obviously that gil is tainted.
HOWEVER, automatically assuming the crafter knew that may not be fair, but they should have had an idea. Either way, if the money is to be taken out, it should SOLELY be the money for that purchase, and the item should be returned.
Assuming it is just the people with > Xmil gil that got screwed, then those that bought those 2star and did not purchase gil in bulk, they still get to keep their item, whereas the legit crafter gets punished. -
10-09-2013, 01:35 AMTupsiExcept on some servers there's enough supply to meet the demand and even surplus on some items - Yet items where there's high demand you have people undercutting by insane amounts, so yeah it is actually personal preference in this game currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenarion
Anyone with common sense would know 7-10 million for a rose gold ingot is far from reasonable, even 1 million when you look at how the items to make everything only totals 350k at times currently.Quote:
again, you don't get to decide what is "reasonable".
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10-09-2013, 01:38 AMashikenshin
Good thing is no matter how much crying there is on the forums, the gil won't make it back. Duped gil is duped gil no matter how you got it. If you were stupid enough to convince yourself that selling crap for 2+ million of gil was awesome when there were countless "no way to make gil in this game" threads were on the forums then you are clueless.
yes I have. What proof is there of their statements being true though? none. Everyone can come here and claim to be innocent but we only have their word for it. I don't trust anyone on the internet and neither should you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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10-09-2013, 01:45 AMKaedan
It's at least partially the seller's own fault for putting their goods up for ridiculously outrageous prices. People would be much less tempted to buy RMT gil if prices were reasonable. I can't wait for the Titan run sellers to start getting their money confiscated because most of their "customers" bought gil to afford it.
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10-09-2013, 01:46 AMAenarionThere is not enough /facepalm for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
where is your data log? what is the market trend and volume over the past weeks? you obviously have these if you're making those claims right?
ffs, the fact that ther are severe undercutting should have been a big enough hint to you that supply is outstripping demand.
probably because you are the only one who mentioned 10 mil rosegold ingot, leave the strawman at home please.Quote:
Anyone with common sense would know 7-10 million for a rose gold ingot is far from reasonable
and if people are buying r.ingot at 1 mil when the tomestone items are at 70k, then they're stupid.Quote:
even 1 million when you look at how the items to make everything only totals 350k at times currently.