And PLD didn't have their tank stance, unlike WAR. Then it was followed by Qarn, a harsher reality check. I remember it was considered "a trial" for new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilenya
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04-24-2018, 12:51 PMLilseph
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04-24-2018, 03:56 PMRathainLast PoTD attempt
It was a solid group. Had some scary moments of course but we got lucky alot. Now we been through thick and thin and on the FINAL FLOOR the tank starts going Sonic speed. Why idk, I told him to slow down. Anyways, everything goes well, we kill the mobs and we find the exit. Two enemies are there, and he double pulls, one enemy sucks a player in and the other does a WIDE AoE around him. So ofc, I get pulled in has the other enemy was casting his huge AoE and I die (Note I'm the healer). So aggro goes haywire and we lose another DPS while they try to kill them. Somehow the tank and last DPS manage to kill the mobs. Just when I think it's over and all they gotta do is rez me with a feather, THE TANK OPENS A CHEST THAT TURNS INTO A MIMIC! they try to kill it, by try I mean the last DPS just stands there not doing anything after a couple of hits. She didn't try to vercure the tank or Limit break! Eventually the tank falls and so does she. meanwhile the exit was RIGHT. There.
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04-24-2018, 04:08 PMAlleo
Skalla run:
The tank rushes the whole time. Does not wait for people with bosses and decides to use a really big pull (without any hint before) in the middle of the dungeon. The healer and I (mage DD) were still behind because of the chest, yet they still run through all the monster to pull them all and just spam LB in chat. I try to get there but its the part where those stone monsters attack after being aggroed so we have to avoid them too. I use the LB but it was too late and the tank dies. They make a snide remark about keeping up where I point out that we had to avoid those monsters...(and they could have simply waited or said that they are doing that) and the tank says that we should just stop aggroing them then..while she was the one that did it and seemingly forget that it takes them a short time to start their attacks..
We go forward without any more wipes and she left with the comment of: Well that was painful.
Its really funny since it would have been a better run if she could just wait a few seconds. Dont run ahead into a mass of monsters if not even the healer is near you.. -
04-24-2018, 06:02 PMKakiko
Party Finder story.
I need to clear Seph Ex so my fc friend and I put up a first time party. I clearly marked it as "First time bonus. I've watched a vid. I have a helper but need more help." We get one group who wipes twice and everyone leaves. No one says a word, no one gives help. Fine.
Second group, we died because someone moved to the safe zone with us when they shouldn't have and it killed a bunch of us. Second time, we survived that, I did the tower mechanics properly but the aoe healing seemed to be lacking and I think that's what killed me. I'm not sure. No one was saying anything in chat. A LOT of us died, not just me. All who were left was my tank friend, the PLD, a healer, and one dps (and we went in with a full party).
They left me (and everyone else) dead. Annoying but 100% understandable as the boss was at 5% or so when it happened. When it ended, and I "cleared" it, I said thank you.
PLD: your welcome
PLD: for the carry
Me: wow
PLD: no joke
Me: :-/
PLD: yall didnt know wtf you were doing in there
(note: not ONCE did they give any help or suggestions. Not ONCE did they say anything in party chat until this).
Me: aren't you a ray of sunshine?
Tank friend: I sure did
Me: You joined a party knowing full well it was a first time run. Go be a bitter tart somewhere else.
PLD: not bitter dude. you got carried.
*kicked from party and blacklisted*
The party finder clearly stated I was doing a first time clear. I had watched the video a couple of times, INCLUDING just before putting up the party finder. I did the mechanics I knew correctly, as far as I could see. It wasn't JUST me who died and I didn't die right at the beginning or continuously.
This person went into a party knowing full well it wasn't a farm party, it wasn't a WT party. The fight goes by FAST. You skip a lot of mechanics and it's hard to tell exactly which ones are coming up.
Just makes me so angry. I did my best, that's all I can ask of myself. I wasn't asking for a carry, I wasn't trying to be carried. I was trying to do the mechanics as best I could. If I did something wrong, then after the first wipe would have been the moment to say "hey, you need to do this."
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04-24-2018, 07:15 PMThoosa
Had a run on brayflox. Tank was new and a warrior. Initially forgot tank stance and also wasn’t using overpower so struggled with aggro until this was pointed out. They also insisted on killing every monster (literally every monster - I guess they wanted the experience) and going to every area of the map - it took ages to finish :)
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04-24-2018, 10:55 PMErim-NelhahThis almost looks like the old "intentional wipe" that people sometimes (used to) do in PotD when they don't get enough weapon/armor upgrades for their liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rathain
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04-25-2018, 12:15 AMAkashiXIIt’s the rush of adrenaline that causes most people to act like jerks in this situation. They could have left, instead he wanted the last say. I’m sure in their mind they found it justifiable, in reality they look like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakiko
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04-25-2018, 12:50 AMRathainI forgot to put it was a Deep palace run. So imagine getting all the way to 199 just to wipe at the gate to the last floorQuote:
Originally Posted by Erim-Nelhah
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04-25-2018, 01:22 AMNephthysVasudan
So here's my scream rant to share. - I was doing sigmascape today - V3 (Guardian - normal) - Now I always make an effort to knock these out because the population tends to be very decent overall in terms of talent. Not today.
I was Red Mage - thankfully.
This party had a pair of white mages. Only one of which was actually doing anything. The first one for the entirity of the nightmare was doing the job of both white mages.
While the other (A mentor mind you) was just standing there like a fool doing nothing other than stone attacks and not paying attention to what was going on around him/her/it.
We wiped 3 times because this white mage refused to handle the chakra mechanics/biblotaph phases where you have to "stand on the buttons" which lead to disastrous results.
And if that wasn't enough - the entire party was blind-deaf-dumb-stupid to this fact....they accused the other white mage of being bad - never mind the fact the other white mage kept dying repeatedly <with me ver-raising a dozen times over>.
The white mage would die every 15-30 seconds...and i'd ver-raise back up again...and again...and again...and again.
I fail to understand how a MENTOR of all people would not even know simple mechanics like this...and would just stupidly stand there and not look around them.
Even a newbie...would have sense enough to look where/what people are doing and go "oh..maybe I should move my ass and get going right? Maybe I should help heal the party?"
I don't understand how people do this...yet..they do.
Ugh.
To the healer who pulled his weight - you did a absolutely great job...you didn't deserve the smacktalk...it was never your fault.
To the other healer - don't bother coming back until you learn to white mage and mechanics.
Yes I was mouthy...but you're a Mentor...you have NO excuse. -
04-25-2018, 01:55 AMAvatreSadly, considering how braindead easy it is to get Mentor status...it doesn't surprise me. They really do need a test for when someone applies to be a mentor. Something that throws a crap ton of mechanics at them, and they need to pass with a 95% success rate(for all three combat roles!). Things like knowing when to stun, what to Esuna, when to stack, when to spread, etc(if the NPCs in job quests can do it, a mentor damn well better be able to!).Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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04-25-2018, 02:07 AMNephthysVasudanProblem is.....the chakra mechanic while not entirely familiar you could sort of faceroll. But the bibliotaph phase...where EVERYONE had to go through the great gubal library at least once in their life time.....how the bloody hell can you not recognize that? It's a near guaranteed wipe if you get more than one failed seal on that phase....one you can sort of roll through. This blew my mind....you should know what to do already. Yet that white mage just stood there derping around. Yes...it didn't help the party was chaotic about it..but at least they knew what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatre
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04-25-2018, 02:27 AMAvatreIn all the runs I've done of that, I think there was only one run where it actually went smooth with the pads. Mostly because one of the healers and I(on RDM) were in PS chat together. One of the other ranged(think it was either a SMN or BRD...it was quite a while ago) saw how we positioned ourselves to get the farthest platforms and ran to join us as they spawned. No party communication other than my friend and I in the PS chat(unless others were in their own discord/PS chat/whatever) all other runs I've done have had it be a millisecond before one of the adds would spawn at BEST.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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04-25-2018, 03:54 AMMoroMurasakiI think people who are inexperienced with content should probably take their crown off when doing that content but as it stands right now that WHM could have been a mentor since HW days and this could be their first time running o7n. I'm not saying it is but I don't think it's inherently less likely (especially based on their performance) that they had no experience with that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
Being a mentor is not a "go ahead and rip me apart for any mistakes" badge. I'm not saying you were rude, all I have to go on is that you described yourself as "mouthy". If you were just defending the more competent WHM then more power to you, rock on! If you were mouthy with the mentor for flubbing mechs/not healing to your liking... no?
Mentors have to experience things for the first time too. Mentor status is easy to get and retain despite not being up to date on current content. I wish that mentor status was revoked each patch until a player had completed all current content (perhaps excluding Savage) but SE would never do that because mentor roulette wouldn't be filling as many queues.
I guess I just want to express my distaste with the idea that mentors open themselves up for abuse when they make mistakes. It's very easy to forget to go into your search info and take your crown off when doing something new and no one is perfect. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post and you weren't rude to them, if that's the case then feel free to ignore me, but if you expect perfection from everyone with a crown (or, frankly, even marginal competence by my own standards) you're going to be sorely disappointed. -
04-25-2018, 04:05 AMAvatreThey could probably do something similar to how they do Mentor Roulette, where if it detects you are the one giving the bonus to the party it strips your crown for that run so that people wouldn't get the ideas(and I admit, I am guilty of being a bit more critical of a mentor in almost all content when they constantly mess up) that mentors are perfect...probably won't help much, but it could be a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
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04-25-2018, 04:33 AMko_Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
HUGE edit. but you're more forgiving then me.. just about all the mentors I met have either been awesome OR dicks. And I met more dicks than awesome mentors. So I'm abit jaded on the subject and think this person who apparently is one and played like that should've been kicked instantly. Like there's a way people play when they are new, and it sounds like this person was just trolling. But I could be wrong and I'm going off my own experiences which isn't yours or anyone elses so yeah. I agree tho. People should be tested every patch to keep that status. -
04-25-2018, 05:21 AMBillyKaplan
Queued for 50/60 on a tank with a NIN buddy. We get Amdapor Keep normal. I pull about as much as I'm used to when I notice things are dying slowly. Look up and true enough the level 54 BLM is casting Fire. Ok, they might be new or something, give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them to use Fire II on big pulls, and preferably finish with Flare. From then up to the first boss they keep casting Blizzard II. That's obviously a troll but ok, keep trying to be nice, maybe I looked up when they were in Umbral Ice. Tell them that's a point blank AoE and they're not hitting anything.
Healer: "She's keeping me nice and cool."
So you're partied with this troll and you don't mind a 15-20 minutes dungeon run is going to take 30. Wonderful. Thankfully as it was my buddy and I, we managed to kick the BLM.
"Bad move", said the healer. "I'm out, enjoy Amdapor to its fullest o/" and left.
I get trolling when you run with your friends, but 1. if you're going to do that, get a premade, that's what my clique does. 2. you're not just with your friends here. 3. Even then why would you intentionally make a run like this take that much longer than it has to. Why. Even when trolling my friends and I try to make things run smoothly. It'll be the tank Shirking me on my BLM and me popping Manaward and making them work hard to take agro back, not intentionally nerf myself so it'll take forever. DPS obviously filled instantly and I managed to get a healer from one of my linkshells so it was smooth sailing from there on out.
I wish blacklist actually kept you from queueing with people like that :\ -
04-25-2018, 05:38 AMRaven_Darkstar
Just when you think you've seen every horror the DF can possibly throw at you, it proves you wrong.
Last night I was taking my sprout PLD alt through Brayflox (at around 2 am. yup should really know better than to brave the df at the beginning of the derp hours >.<) and got the absolute worst run of the place I have literally Ever had. Were there rude people? Were they insulting? DPS pulling ahead of me? Nope, none of the above. Would actually have preferred that last one. At least the people who run ahead pulling are usually competent. No, what I got was a terrible, virtually no dps healer, AND two dps who absolutely sucked. No parser needed to figure that out.
First boss, I saw more waves of adds than I have ever seen on that fight. Typically, you get 2 waves, and boss is dead by then. Not this run. By the time the boss was finally, finally dead, I was about to get overwhelmed by adds; 3 more spawned before I could finish killing the previous set. That's right, "I" because if the dps were helping with them, it sure as hell wasn't obvious.
Second boss, no real issues. It just... took way longer than it should have. Hellbender however; sigh. Again, saw more repetitions of the mechanics than I ever have. Both dps and the healer got bubbled multiple times, and who freed them? Even with a giant number 1 marking the bubbles? Me. The tank. Had to go break them out. Each, and Every time.
Now, the first trash pull after this boss is where I realized exactly what was going on. Till then, I'd been a bit too focused on what I was doing to really eyeball the dps. So, I pull the first 3 mobs, and then I see it. NIN is standing right beside me, staring at me. O.o tf? What's he doing?! Doesn't he realize standing beside the tank, who is *trying* to keep mobs aimed away from the group, is Not a good place to be? So I change position. He follows me. Change again, and again. Each time, he follows. He actually put himself on /follow. :mad:
Finally, he starts dpsing again, we get through the rest of the trash and on to the last boss. No major issues here, other than the fact that I ended up doing a full circle of the room, moving him out of the poison puddles. And LB? Yeah, was used at %1 health. :(
My reward for putting up with this at least 40 minute run? (didn't actually look at the time elapsed, but considering it was a couple minutes after 2am when I got in, and about 2:50 when I got out... yeah) One piece of the cavalry set, 1 comm, and a headache.
Now, to be fair, I will say that the other dps, a BLM seemed like they were trying. Rarely saw them idle for more than a few seconds. And the sprout WHM did at least keep me alive. But, no Esuna, ever. My hp bar was consistently way lower than I'm comfortable with, which would be fine, If they were at least dpsing. But NO, no Stone II, and only an occasional, random Aero here and there. Otherwise, they stood around, doing nothing.
Had these 3 been silent, I would strongly suspect bots, but they were talking with each other throughout the run, though oddly, it turns out they were all from different servers.
Oh, and get this; the NIN actually had something of an excuse. They apologized a couple times during the run (we had to wait for them to stop standing around and actually get in the room to even start the first boss fight). What was it, you ask? "Sorry. Doing too much multi tasking."
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Really?!
Really.
Here's an idea; how about if your attention is too focused on something outside the game, Don't freaking queue up for group content! :mad: -
04-25-2018, 05:44 AMShalan
Just got out of a WoD group with a BLM casting nothing but Blizzard. It was my first time seeing an "ice mage" but the weird thing about them was they had almost full 370 gear w/ 375 weapon (a couple of 360 accessories). They didn't respond when we sent any messages or asked them to cast something other than Blizzard, so we eventually kicked them.
Is there some bot program going around that players are using for such things, or do you think they were just trying to troll/annoy us? -
04-25-2018, 06:00 AMko_Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven_Darkstar
to be fair about that ninja. He might've forgotten he was qued and started doing other things. and the que shocked him. DPS que times are stupid and I think we sometimes forget how stupid they can be. Tho yeah... -
04-25-2018, 06:02 AMMoroMurasakiI think this is a wonderful idea, I'd be all for it! I know I've personally queued into things on patch day and not taken off my crown, I'm sure without knowing the mechanics I didn't play up to what everyone's standards for a mentor might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatre
I feel like you (and people who might share this mindset) need to look at the minimum criteria for being a mentor currently endorsed by SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ko_
A tank, a healer and a DPS at 60 with their level 60 quest completed. 300 comms. 1k dungons run.
That is.... insanely easy, honestly. There are plenty of people walking around as sprouts right now who have been playing significantly longer than people who could fit all of these criteria. Those sprouts are still given a free pass when they screw things up because they're inexperienced but they could very well be more experienced than some mentors you've run into who are less than awesome.
I am in full support of a system that allows us to hold mentors to a higher standard and expect better play/better attitudes from them but that isn't the system SE has given us and I am of the opinion that that is an intentional move on their part. The mentor system is designed around mentor roulette, they want to be able to fill space in whatever queues they can.
How do you do this effectively? You make mentor roulette very accessible to a wide bredth of the playerbase and lock an exclusive reward behind it's continued completion. Exactly what SE did.
Until there is serious revision of this system or some sort of change that actually means mentors are held to a higher standard I will continue to disagree with "omg bad mentor kick them" vehemently because it is no less abusive than "omg bad sprout kick them" and we all know that would never fly. -
04-25-2018, 06:05 AMAvatreIt's one of the reasons I keep my crown off until Mentor Roulette forces me to show it. I try and provide what help I can even while it's off, but sometimes people either don't want to listen or I don't know the mechanic all that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
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04-25-2018, 07:08 AMko_You have a point and I agree.. they need to update the system. As it is.. it's really hard to tell the difference between someone who cares and everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
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04-25-2018, 09:50 AMNephthysVasudanSo let me set expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
If I see you wearing a Mentor crown... I'm going to assume the following:
That you are a component player in the role you are playing.
That you have completed the main portion of the games in terms of MSQ
That you can recognize and adapt to mechanics as needed.
And if you've never done content..you will annouce this is your first time.
That said... if you can tell me which or what of the above items are bad....feel free to say so.
I can forgive the chakra mess ups....but satanding there during bliblotaph phases..repeatedly...ignoring the bomb drops....facerolling missiles....obvious things that people with half a brain can dodge.....is no excuse or allowance for being a *unspoken* first timer after 2nd...3rd..4th biblotaph phases across wipes. (Average of 2 to 3 each full fight)
You cant reach this instance fight without going through great gubal library...there's just flat no excuse.
After even 1 wipe I'd like to think that mentor figured it out..it wasn't until 2nd time I started getting very annoyed..3rd time I started snarling.
Is it right? prob. not...but I refuse to sit idly by and let someone with a crown get away with murder.
Mentors are broken...I get that..but if you wearing the crown..I expect you to have a semblance of experience...and at least tell others if you are new to the instance or not.
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04-25-2018, 11:25 AMMoroMurasakiI'm not trying to argue with you, I just don't think disrespecting people based on your personal expectations of mentors (which are quite obviously a pipe dream) is okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
In terms of communicating being new to a fight... have you ever tried to type on ps4? I don't know how fast the tanks pulled but personally if I forgot to queue up "first time" in the text bar before entering an instance I couldn't generally get it out. I know some people at good at this, I'm not though.
Some of your expectations are incredibly vague - recognize and adapt to mechanics as needed? If you had 8 people that could do that you could one-shot Ultimate, especially if they were also competent in the role they were playing.
My issue is that you're trying to justify disrespecting someone because they didn't meet your personal standards for mentorship... I hate to point out the obvious but you don't get to decide the standards mentors are held to. SE has been very clear across the board that any time the playerbase tries to have a set of standards beyond ilvl or prior completion of content we are in the wrong. Look no further than the asinine stance on parsers.
In my opinion if you disrespected someone for playing poorly you're no better than someone who parses and harrasses/kicks over low dps unnecessarily. You do mot know that person's experience level beyond a tank, healer and dps at 60, 300 comms and 1k dungeon runs. If everyone who met those criteria also checked all your boxes for mentorship DF and PF would be much different experiences.
I don't intend to further derail this thread that I personally enjoy, I think anyone who reads these posts can see that one of us is arguing that they should be allowed to disrespect other players and that is enough for most people to make up their minds.
You handled yourself poorly - the best thing you can do now is recognize the mistake and not make it again. Best of luck. -
04-25-2018, 11:52 AMBlueyes
Positive story. Earlier, I was in The Royal City of Rabanastre. I was playing as Red Mage. The boss was Rofocale (the third one) and I was targeted by the attack that places three circle AoE under you in succession. Embrace had been put down earlier. Having dodged two of the circle AoE, I had lost track of where Embrace would trigger. As a result, I was caught and bound. At that moment, the third circle AoE appeared, but in addition, the two large line AoE appeared across the middle of the arena directly under where I had been standing.
I found myself at death's door with no way to escape. The circle AoE detonated which left me with a fraction of health and still no time to run from the second AoE. Suddenly, I was rescued. Literally. My character was pulled to safety by the healer and my life was saved. It was the first time I had ever received a Rescue in a situation where I surely would have died without it. I didn't manage to catch which healer had pulled it off, but you have my thanks. -
04-25-2018, 03:00 PMIscah
Had a stressful run of Toto-Rak yesterday. Myself as an out-of-practice paladin, with a bard and samurai as DPS.
I was losing control of some of the early enemies, could have been my fault, could have been the bard's... but the 'fun' started after going into the side chamber to pick up one of the first photocells. We beat the mitelings in there and before I could even pick up the photocell, the bard has cast Peloton and is off down the corridor. And so it begins.
I seem to be at the back of the group more often than the front. Peloton cast at every opportunity (which feels like "hurry up, you're not going fast enough"). The bard runs ahead and starts shooting things, or moves off and starts attacking the next spiderweb opening while we're still fighting enemies. It gets to the point I have no idea what's even going on, I have no control over the enemies, and have to stop and type "[Bard], please stop running ahead".
So what happens?
They do stop, but the samurai is now running ahead instead.
There's little left to do except slog through corridors to the boss, so I give up and just quietly fume. (And sure enough, they're from the same server when I check afterwards.)
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04-25-2018, 05:12 PMFrizzeI agree with just about everything youre saying. Mentorship is a lot easier to obtain then some people realize, and being rude/disrespectful is almost never the right answer. Nephthys is also forgetting that someone could have theoretically(not at all likely but entirely possible) bought a SB story-skip, and never have actually been forced to run Gubal(either getting their 1000 dungeons done in the past before returning from an lapsed sub or just having run a ton of stuff in the last year and becoming a mentor more recently). To me the bibliotaph summoning circles(not to mention the aura circles) seem like a visually obvious mechanic, but im not the WHM from this story who did a lot of mechanics wrong. But i will defend Nephthys's reaction on one point(if not exactly their actions). My reading of the story provided(and if im wrong, then ignore all of this) was that in addition to botching mechanics this WHM also wasnt doing any healing in a group that featured multiple wipes. A mentor crown wearing healer should know how to heal. Really, anyone who leveled WHM to 70 should know how to heal - crown or not. Fulfilling your basic function in the group shouldnt be too much to ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
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04-25-2018, 06:11 PMMhaericAs a point of reference for why they might have done this, the usual path through there involves skipping that first side room. The photocell in there is not needed. They probably didn't want to have to spend all the time killing the significant number of extra mobs on that dungeon, so wanted to make sure the shortest path was taken since you had demonstrated you didn't know it by leading the group into that room. I wouldn't tale Peleton use personally. It affects everybody equally, so they're not using it to rush ahead of the party but rather help the party out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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04-25-2018, 07:44 PMIscahMy understanding is that your choice is either taking that side path there, or a different side path later when you reach the second miniboss chamber with only 3 out of 4 needed cells. In any case we'd already spent the time in the room and just had to actually pick up the cell to make it not-wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they also kept running ahead while I was the one picking up dropped cells from enemies.
Peleton just seems unnecessary at the rate some people cast it. One or two seconds away from the next enemy? *whoosh, go faster!* ...that irks me a little at the best of times, but it's okay if everything is otherwise going normally. In combination with how much they were rushing through and not waiting for me, it's just an extra layer of feeling hassled. -
04-25-2018, 08:38 PMCeridwenaeHad exactly the same situation a few days ago, except in Sastasha. I was on arcanist, and actually asked the bard to stop running ahead (using Peloton as it does so) pulling the mobs, and to let the (sprout) tank do it. Was ignored, no one else said anything and my props go to the healer for keeping things ticking for the tank, as no wipes. Think I've encountered a tank bot a couple of weeks back (was a very sad noob healer that day), but didn't know they could be lvl 60 (ish) geared bards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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04-25-2018, 11:32 PMAxHellI haven't seen many healers using Rescue but when it was used, it was very helpful and epic. For example, in the Keeper of the lake dungeon at the second boss, the big airship that loves to set things on fire, I got stuck on the other side of the arena because of the flame rings, separated from my party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueyes
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04-25-2018, 11:40 PMDaeriion_AeradiirMinor nitpick, but it's entirely possible for someone to never touch Gubal, since the story jump potion skips you right past it. One of my alts never actually saw it until well after he had hit 70, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan
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04-26-2018, 01:44 AMTridusThis right here is the core problem with the mentor system. It doesn't distinguish "I want to help teach newbies the game" and "I wanted a nifty looking crown".Quote:
Originally Posted by ko_
Mentor status was never meant to denote someone has a high end player. All it's meant to say is "I can help you learn the game". The community came up with any expectations on top of that, and then the bad mentors piled on and made the good ones look bad. I often don't have the crown on because if my goal is just to give advice in someone's first run through a dungeon, it's completely unnecessary (and invites drama if I do make a mistake). Of course, not having it on while doing that doesn't help address the mentor perception issue, since I don't look like a mentor despite being one. -
04-26-2018, 01:50 AMTridusYou're correct, if you skip that side room (which is normal in my experience), when you get to the second barrier you turn south and kill two mobs to grab one there for your last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
What I've seen levelling DRK lately is that the expectation is the tank won't stop. A ranged DPS usually does it while the rest keep going, as they can catch up and rejoin the fight easily. They may have thought you were going to do that and then just decided to do it themselves when you stopped. Would have been nice if they'd explained that, of course.Quote:
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they also kept running ahead while I was the one picking up dropped cells from enemies.
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04-26-2018, 01:56 AMAvatreI've typically seen the healer be the one to pick it up, or a melee DPS since they are right there. Though, more often than not I see the tank grabbing it(most of the time nobody runs ahead though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tridus
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04-26-2018, 03:38 AMIscahYeah, I get that generally (automatic instinct is to pick it up but if I do, I'll stop myself halfway through and move on), but this time it was so upside down I was picking them up because the DPSes had already run off without collecting it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tridus
Related question, I guess - when you get to the field generators and have to interact with them so the ochu appears, is the tank expected to do that or is it someone else's job? I seem to have trouble locking onto the ochu quickly after interacting with the generator, plus it seems more logical to stand there, let someone else handle the generator and pick it up as soon as it spawns, but the other day (different run) I tried doing it that way and everyone else just stood there apparently expecting me to do it.... -
04-26-2018, 03:57 AMTridusAh. Well, at least we can all enjoy the fickle nature of DF? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatre
Yeah that is weird.Quote:
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For the generator, I usually see the tank do it because the tank usually gets there first. It can be frustrating if people then jump on it the second it appears and you have to get it back off them. -
04-26-2018, 09:05 AMMhaericThat first side room is a pain in the arse. Locked door, web mechanic, and three adds that spawn after entry in different parts of the room. Compare that to two fixed mobs a short distance north of the final lock. It's a no-brainer which one should be chosen. Please don't take that first side room. It's annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
And if you get pissed off by Peleton, then I don't know what to say. It costs literally nothing (no resource or even a gcd or heck even a cooldown) for a BRD/MCH to cast, and speeds up the run. There is nothing negative about it. If a Bard is running ahead of you then they're going to be just as far ahead regardless of whether or not they used Peleton since you have the exact same speed buff they do. The only difference with respect to Peleton specifically is in your perception of the skill being used, which has nothing to with the Bard and everything to do with you. -
04-26-2018, 10:18 AMRyuseigoes
I'm sorry I have to vent here, but I cannot believe the AUDACITY of some people in this game!
I queue up for an expert roulette on my normal PLD job, its the usual instant queue etc. I load into the dungeon and its Hell's Lid, a simple enough dungeon and easy with the good DPS we had. Anyway I'm loaded in and I see my team: everyone's a lalafell. This is the reassurance I needed to know this is going to be the smoothest expert I've ever encountered. But there's one thing off about this group of people I'm queued with.
One of them is a Hyur.
Not only is she a Hyur, but she shares the same namesake as me, but also proceeds to /pet me... how rude can you be!? Not only are you ruining the lalafell only party, but you're also petting me. None of the other lalas, only me... I am disgusted!
But aside from that it was a smooth run, no real hiccups, the bosses went down easy and I have no real complaints. -
04-26-2018, 10:25 AMAvatre/petstheprettylalaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryuseigoes