Please no more Eureka!

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Originally Posted by Laphael

Please read the quote again and explain to me, why niche can´t be casual?
The quote states that the content is not for everyone. Not that it is for hardcore players only!

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I am not saying that there will be no casuals there but that the numbers of people doing it will naturally be lower if its seen as niche content otherwise it would not be niche. (IMO) And if its not niche but was planned for a bigger audience (which is for me the only reasonable way on why they put so much stuff and work behind it) then the numbers show that it failed. That the people on the forums/reddit and other sources that mostly disliked it are not the minority (exactly how we were not the minority for Diadem)

And that only a small percentage of the players even got to level cap on Pyros and that alone does not even tell us how many of those that did it truly enjoyed Eureka or just did it for items they wanted but disliked it.

So thats why I am on OPs side and say no more Eureka content in the future, especially if so many ressources are put behind it. I would wish that they use the money and time to try something else, something that might be fun or done by more than just a small percentage of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I am not saying that there will be no casuals there but that the numbers of people doing it will naturally be lower if its seen as niche content otherwise it would not be niche. (IMO) And if its not niche but was planned for a bigger audience (which is for me the only reasonable way on why they put so much stuff and work behind it) then the numbers show that it failed. That the people on the forums/reddit and other sources that mostly disliked it are not the minority (exactly how we were not the minority for Diadem)

And that only a small percentage of the players even got to level cap on Pyros and that alone does not even tell us how many of those that did it truly enjoyed Eureka or just did it for items they wanted but disliked it.

So thats why I am on OPs side and say no more Eureka content in the future, especially if so many ressources are put behind it. I would wish that they use the money and time to try something else, something that might be fun or done by more than just a small percentage of the playerbase.

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MMOs and ff14 especially are a big bunch of niche content put together.
Eureka is niche, Savage is niche, every goldsaucer game is niche, fisher is niche.

We would need the numbers of everything in the game and compare them to each other to know if special content can be defined as success or failure. Diadem died very fast while the Anemos-train is still going nonstop.

SE learned from Diadem, thats why you can join eureka solo and grp up inside (for example).

SE learned form Anemos and Pagos. Pyros was much better on release with better Aetherites and logossystem, Hydatos even better than Pyros with an easier to navigate map and less mob density.

They will learn from that too and im really looking forward to the Eureka-like-content they are planning for 5.0.
I´m sure something like group-level-sync or a workaround for it will be in place then, for example.

Of Course, that all doesn´t matter, if you don´t like any kind of grind.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

So, you aren´t doing anything else than your weekly raid? Maybe you should get another game to play in between, or stop ff14 entirely.

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No she's telling other people to leave... go play FFXI or a free MMO who are spending tons of time playing and having fun here and all he/she can do it play 2 hours a week. Got to love it. Well more time to post here on the forum I suppose.

So people is trying to say that Yoshida is protecting the players by releasing content that lasts a few weeks at best, when at the same time includes heavy gambling on almost every part of the content.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Thats the problem...if we trust Yoshidas words from Reynharts quote then no Eureka was not casual content, it was always meant to be a niche that only tickles the interest of specific players. Which is exactly what happens.

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What TwistedTea was asking for is "content that keeps players engaged more than a month". For that request, Eureka is indeed a worthy option (arbitrary weekly restriction excluded) exactly because it's big and because it has a lot of different rewards here and there, mainly, the Relic.

But it comes down to "being engaged more than a month" not fully compatible with "casual content".

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Originally Posted by Alleo

ISo thats why I am on OPs side and say no more Eureka content in the future, especially if so many ressources are put behind it. I would wish that they use the money and time to try something else, something that might be fun or done by more than just a small percentage of the playerbase.

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There will be more Eureka style content if the Dev team feels the content was successful. Personally I would prefer something new but devoted to relic as opposed to simply running old content over and over again. I don't really want to see a repeat of what we have now although I adore the open world content Eureka has presented to us. Perhaps well find out more at the next fanfest and we can all make comments about something concrete rather than speculating what they might have in mind. Pretty safe to say I would think that that content is already in development and hopefully they'll share some of it with us there.

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Originally Posted by Leanna

So people is trying to say that Yoshida is protecting the players by releasing content that lasts a few weeks at best, when at the same time includes heavy gambling on almost every part of the content.

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Yes, it lasts a few weeks to the point that I see full instances in Anemos and people that are level 60.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Yes, it lasts a few weeks to the point that I see full instances in Anemos and people that are level 60.

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The same 144 people playing the worst content ever released in XIV doesn't represent a playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

What TwistedTea was asking for is "content that keeps players engaged more than a month". For that request, Eureka is indeed a worthy option (arbitrary weekly restriction excluded) exactly because it's big and because it has a lot of different rewards here and there, mainly, the Relic.

But it comes down to "being engaged more than a month" not fully compatible with "casual content".

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Problem is, Eureka is just bad game design, a bad copy of an awful game design from XI that any F2P MMO in the market have done better, the problem is the quality of the content released and that people doesn't want to support bad quality content. SE did nothing to improve Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Leanna

The same 144 people playing the worst content ever released in XIV doesn't represent a playerbase.

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Again, the numbers show more people are playing it than previous relic quests. How many times do I have to say that lol?

This is what I see that became of this thread now.

https://i.imgur.com/I5tTzmo.png

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Originally Posted by Leanna

The same 144 people playing the worst content ever released in XIV doesn't represent a playerbase.

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The same 100 people crying on the forums dont either.