Artifact Armors!

I am re-rolling as a Barcher for the name only.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Class = solo style play
Job = party style play

Classes can equip 90% of all abilities granted you've taken the time to learn them therefore you are more "Jack of all trades than any Job could ever dream of
Jobs gain bigger boons in their area of expertise but lack in terms of being able to do "a lot of different things" and have to rely on each other (other jobs) in order to function.

Classes are not more powerful than Jobs and Jobs are certainly not more powerful that Classes, both have a check and balance concept that hopefully is flushed out wherein they will all still be wanted depending on the style of play and requirements.



EDIT: As it is now, we don't know if CON can be both a BLM and a WHM (its a 1:1 ratio, this is word straight from Yoshi-P's mouth) and as it stands now it seems to be that each job is locked to a particular class. IE: LNC becomes DRG and MAR cannot become DRG because of this. (Assumed)

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No,

class = weapon/learning of abilities
job = role/application of abilities


This whole class for solo, job for party is a self-mutilating step taken to shrink the potential of the armory system.

I shall now start going into crazy rant mode.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

It seems like the weapon that drew the most attention was the bow... I can tell you that it is in fact a bow that transforms.

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I told ya'll...

I know what you're saying User20 but how do you know until you try the job system. I mean give it a chance first, maybe things will be better than they seem. While I like the concept of weapons transforming, I don't know how well that's going to work. I mean is archer going to switch classes/job on the fly to bard? Similar to a paradigm shift in 13 or what? If so isn't that kinda devaluing other classes who can't switch as fast? This is just an assumption though nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Thing is, I like the concept art, but it screws over the potential of ever expanding on the armory system.

Classes will now be just an intermediate to dedicated jobs/roles, rather than a platform for people to define their own roles.

It shrinks the potential of the game. Even though the bardic-bow is actually quite an interesting design, it isn't good for the game in the long term, as it sets a precendent for confusion of the job and class dichotomy.

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I think you're assuming that these Jobs will make the Classes obsolete. The jobs are just specializations. If you have a max level Archer and dont want to play the Bard, then you don't have to. Stay in Archer mode and DD to your hearts content. The thing is, the Classes will be more flexible with how you can set them up, and the Jobs will be restrictive. Play the Class, or play the Job, play both, the game will let you do that.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

I told ya'll...

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I told ya'll first.

Anyways, the job system is self-destructive because the way they are implementing it means that the original armory system will be made redundant. A one-to-one system of class-to-job will mean that the armory system is nothing more than a pointless intermediate to the real gameplay, rather than being a system where you can create your own role.

The job system should have been implemented in a way to give definition to self-made roles, rather than just replacing them altogether. It's a self-destructive policy because it makes the entirety of the armory system almost redundant. Even www.MMORPG.com acknowledges that the Armory system is one of FFXIV's assets. And it is.

You miss some key points there User so let me fix it for you.

Class = weapon/learning of abilities and free application of most learned abilities
Job = role/strengthening of abilities that revolve around a central party aspect (tank/dd/support/healer) with a loss of abilities that do not function within the stated party aspect (ie: dd will not get healing abilities)

When you dumb it down to a few words then yes you can make it seem like the apocalypse is going to happen to the class system, but when you actually define the system then you might realize that its not as crazy as you think. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

The cover image featured on Connect-On consists of job concept art. The weapons each job is wielding are things we are planning to implement into the game. In regards to which job is what and what they equip, we'll leave that up to you and your imaginations for the time being.

It seems like the weapon that drew the most attention was the bow... I can tell you that it is in fact a bow that transforms.

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I knew I could hear Bayohne laughing all the way from here. You're actually enjoying watching us argue, aren't you?! :D

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

I told ya'll...

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You told us nothing, as we still don't know what it transforms into.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I told ya'll first.

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No you didn't.

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Originally Posted by Shift

I think you're assuming that these Jobs will make the Classes obsolete. The jobs are just specializations. If you have a max level Archer and dont want to play the Bard, then you don't have to. Stay in Archer mode and DD to your hearts content. The thing is, the Classes will be more flexible with how you can set them up because the Jobs will be restrictive. Play the Class, or play the Job, play both, the game will let you do that.

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It's not about making them obsolete, it's about not utilising them to their full potential.

The flexibility of the armory system works in contest with the restrictiveness of the job system, when they both should complement eachother, not fight for dominance. it's a huge step in the wrong direction. Why implement one thing and then implement something else that makes the old thing less relevant? Especially when you could simply implement the second thing to supplement the old thing.

The way they are choosing to implement job system isn't helping you define your role, it is imposing one on you. The job system should have helped you emphasise your chosen role, not force you into one. Gladiator (sword user) is now forced into becoming Paladin (tank) for the time being.

And "For the time being" is an important point, because what if you want to play Gladiator and be DPS? You can't until they bring in a job to help you. And they probably won't. Not for a very long while.

So it's not really adding flexibility. Because the flexibility depends on how fast they can churn out jobs, which isn't fast at all.

It's awful what they are doing. They are destroying the armory system. They might as well replace it entirely, considering the changes they are making.