Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

I would’ve preferred an original outfit for females but BUT I’m so glad females got those stilettos. Those are wonderful.

Before they start converting more female outfits to males, I'd like to see hempen sets made to fit other races.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Before they start converting more female outfits to males, I'd like to see hempen sets made to fit other races.

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This tbh, and more male sets to female.. like at least try to pretend to be equal about it.

At least they don't have the hook hand posture.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd wager we won't see Ashe's outfit added to the game because Matsuno wasn't hired to do the originally proposed third act for Ivalice content that she was implied to take centre stage in, not because some people would raise an eyebrow in response to male characters wearing feminine clothing.

Not that such criticism isn't valid, mind you. Niche aesthetics are niche aesthetics after all and many requests for masculine options for male characters have been side lined in favour of appeasing a very vocal minority within the game's community.

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I agree with you.

But I also want hot pink booty shorts/miniskirt.

K so I was looking at the concet art earlier (for reference:)
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...sDYAj91QIU.jpg

and got an idea: I think it would be pretty cool if in 6.x or beyond we got a questline or a part of the MsQ showcasing male viera and their lifestyles, as well as how they raise the children and live in what appears to be small families, maybe we could even explore that with the machinist NPC we saw on the benchmark, but the concept art certainly has given me food for thought

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Originally Posted by zeylos

K so I was looking at the concet art earlier (for reference:)
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...sDYAj91QIU.jpg

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was this from the live stream??? this is amazing!! is there more?!

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

was this from the live stream??? this is amazing!! is there more?!

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It is from the Endwalker page (which gives a bit more lore on the jobs and showcases their icons, alongside a few things)
link:https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/endwalker/patch_6_0

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Originally Posted by zeylos

It is from the Endwalker page (which gives a bit more lore on the jobs and showcases their icons, alongside a few things)
link:https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/endwalker/patch_6_0

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thanks! they updated it, nice. we even get to see the job icons for reaper and sage!

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

It could have been a glamour from Ivalice or Zadnor like every other FFXII characters, not their racial clothes, it's so lazy. I'm also not a fan of cosplaying as story npcs anyway.
It should have been what the other vieras wear in FFXII.
https://i.imgur.com/YiZt5Le.jpg

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This is what Vieras in cities wore, though. When we visited Viera village in FF12, quite a few of Viera there had clothes more or less similar to what Fran has so... I wouldn't say that current racial gear is Fran cosplay specifically, even though they took her model. Still, seeing something from what Viera had in ff12 as hempen camise, even clothes from render art you showed, rather than hyur set could be nice.

https://i.imgur.com/5lYQOxj.png

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

ladies and gents
i bring to you the ultimate in bisho entertainment…

my male viera

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...unny_boy_3.png

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slightly slightly OT but…

decided to do a lil doodle of this guy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...978/image0.png

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Originally Posted by zeylos

and got an idea: I think it would be pretty cool if in 6.x or beyond we got a questline or a part of the MsQ showcasing male viera and their lifestyles, as well as how they raise the children and live in what appears to be small families, maybe we could even explore that with the machinist NPC we saw on the benchmark, but the concept art certainly has given me food for thought

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Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd like to further explore Viera lore as well, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd also like to further explore Viera lore, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

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I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

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If a male viera is exiled he's also not supposed to be welcome to go back though.

Anything is possible if they write it that way of course, and I wouldn't be mad if they did, but I'd rather they didn't because it feels like it's watering it down established lore and story for exposition.

I think the mystery adds to the appeal, but that's just my take :)

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Originally Posted by Yencat

If a male viera is exiled he's also not supposed to be welcome to go back though.

Anything is possible if they write it that way of course, and I wouldn't be mad if they did, but I'd rather they didn't because it feels like it's watering it down established lore and story for exposition.

I think the mystery adds to the appeal, but that's just my take :)

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The lore already feels watered down. They don't really seem like how I imagined them. The facial hair styles I've seen seem too well kempt (or fake). On top of them looking really young. The whole vibe just feels off to me.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The lore already feels watered down. They don't really seem like how I imagined them. The facial hair styles I've seen seem too well kempt. On top of them looking really young. The whole vibe just feels off to me.

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It does, and same with female Viera I guess, but playable characters are "unique" in that sense. But that's why I'd rather they stayed away from it, I don't want them to be made adorable by having a field trip to see them run a daycare or whatever when we're explicitly supposed to be very unwelcome guests.

If they want to give more exposition they can invent a village of exiled viera or focus on viera groups living in another city, but I'd rather they didn't intrude on the 'core viera' stuff any further.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It does, and same with female Viera I guess, but playable characters are "unique" in that sense. But that's why I'd rather they stayed away from it, I don't want them to be made adorable by having a field trip to see them run a daycare or whatever when we're explicitly supposed to be very unwelcome guests.

If they want to give more exposition they can invent a village of exiled viera or focus on viera groups living in another city, but I'd rather they didn't intrude on the 'core viera' stuff any further.

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I wasn't disagreeing, I don't really want to see any of that stuff either. I also didn't read the quote you were replying to, just adding with my own reply. :p

Viera right now just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd like to further explore Viera lore as well, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

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For me male Viera are far from what they should be, they took way too much feedback from the community and nothing from Matsuno, don't get me wrong, I still love how the ended and I'm going to switch, but they are not Ivalice canon for me, so they can do with the lore whatever they want, as long as they don't start bending the ffxiv existing lore on M viera too much.

In short, a quest for lore on them would be nice if done carefully.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

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The thing is though, where would this scenario of yours take place? We're not going back to the Ivalice general region this upcoming expansion and none of the zones in EW are anywhere close to the Golmore Jungle. Matsuno's not coming back this time around so I don't think we're getting anything new. Not counting the viis, who aren't necessarily 1-to-1 for viera, we only see 3 viera characters in the entire game. Considering with how they said male viera were worked on during free time, it sounds like they're just tacked on and I don't think they're going to have any impact or even cameos in the story until 7.0 at the earliest.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I wasn't disagreeing, I don't really want to see any of that stuff either. I also didn't read the quote you were replying to, just adding with my own reply. :p

Viera right now just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

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Oh I'm not arguing, just adding additional thoughts :p

Playable viera was always going to be a fan service situation and that's perfectly fine, but most races/clans don't get a ton of extra exposition anyway so it's not like we'd be left out.

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Originally Posted by Renik

For me male Viera are far from what they should be, they took way too much feedback from the community and nothing from Matsuno, don't get me wrong, I still love how the ended and I'm going to switch, but they are not Ivalice canon for me, so they can do with the lore whatever they want, as long as they don't start bending the ffxiv existing lore on M viera too much.

In short, a quest for lore on them would be nice if done carefully.

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Yeah I can see why you'd feel that way, I also think they can look good but they're a far cry from the boxer-type Matsuno talked about, but I never intended to play one so it's kinda whatever to me. That art is very cute but definitely heavy fan service though.

A quest could definitely be done, but tagging along with a merry band of male viera and their kids is a bit too much.

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Originally Posted by Renik

For me male Viera are far from what they should be, they took way too much feedback from the community and nothing from Matsuno, don't get me wrong, I still love how the ended and I'm going to switch, but they are not Ivalice canon for me, so they can do with the lore whatever they want, as long as they don't start bending the ffxiv existing lore on M viera too much.

In short, a quest for lore on them would be nice if done carefully.

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kind of agree and i think the same can be said about the females. we just need to keep reminding ourselves this is ff14’s version of male viera. they will probably look different in another mainline ivalice series (if they happen to appear in the future)
nevertheless i like how 14‘s version looks, and im also going to main one and im trying to get a more traditional viera look! ;)

I'm happy for male viera happening and female hrothgar down the pipeline but with how poorly both hrothgar and viera have in terms of actual variety in just headpieces alone (won't even go into detail with the bs in terms of hrothgar having to pay actual real money just to change their hair style besides adding a braid or two with the barber.) It just feels like a repeat of viera we got with shadowbringers launch where male viera will be screwed out of like 70-80% of the headgears because they spent more time on other things then fixing the existing issues people have with viera and hrothgar as it is. I miss my hrothgar sometimes but I can't stand having to buy money on a fanta just because I decide I want a different hair style.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Viera right now just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

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And are they not fans who get a say?

Anyway, it seems like plenty of people here are happy about them as well. Pretty anime guys are a thing that people have liked for a long time.

Also I'm fairly sure we were told at the reveal that we wouldn't be seeing any male Viera villages.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

This tbh, and more male sets to female.. like at least try to pretend to be equal about it.

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The thing with "being equal about it" is that most of the sets they are converting were unequal to begin with. The feminine set was locked to female characters but the masculine set was unisex. They can't give you what you've already got.

The only exception at this point was them unlocking the High House bustle but not the justaucorps, but maybe that was an oversight.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The thing with "being equal about it" is that most of the sets they are converting were unequal to begin with. The feminine set was locked to female characters but the masculine set was unisex. They can't give you what you've already got.

The only exception at this point was them unlocking the High House bustle but not the justaucorps, but maybe that was an oversight.

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Simply untrue, tons of great stuff is male locked
Aymeric set is literally just waiting to be accessible ingame.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Simply untrue, tons of great stuff is male locked
Aymeric set is literally just waiting to be accessible ingame.

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I thought you were talking about the balance of the sets they have recently been converting to unisex.

Anyway they never seem to make the NPC outfits unisex, even the simple ones like the ARR Scions that are based on in-game equipment so the models would already exist.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I thought you were talking about the balance of the sets they have recently been converting to unisex.

Anyway they never seem to make the NPC outfits unisex, even the simple ones like the ARR Scions that are based on in-game equipment so the models would already exist.

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Well, there's a number of regular sets that are still not unisex, and male locked.
Thing is with Aymeric's set is that the female model actually does exist according to leaks.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Well, there's a number of regular sets that are still not unisex, and male locked.
Thing is with Aymeric's set is that the female model actually does exist according to leaks.

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And what sets are those. Ignore Aymeric's armor set he falls under the NPC rule where no outfit will be unisex or dyeable for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Nanchi

And what sets are those. Ignore Aymeric's armor set he falls under the NPC rule where no outfit will be unisex or dyeable for that matter.

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https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Male_Gear
sure you can find some
btw isn't alphinaud's set unisex? and as I said the model already exists.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

And are they not fans who get a say?

Anyway, it seems like plenty of people here are happy about them as well. Pretty anime guys are a thing that people have liked for a long time.

Also I'm fairly sure we were told at the reveal that we wouldn't be seeing any male Viera villages.

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I feel like they get too much of a say, or rather are catered to too much. It's how we get things like with G'raha Tia. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I feel like they get too much of a say, or rather are catered to too much. It's how we get things like G'raha Tia. :(

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and who is G'raha tia catering to specifically.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

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Most of those are mog station items which usually are gender locked since they sell the other version separately (I despise that business strategy but it is what it is) or fanfest items who all have their female counterpart.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I feel like they get too much of a say, or rather are catered to too much. It's how we get things like G'raha Tia. :(

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Yeah sure, let's have SE listen to the person who keeps labeling G'raha as a "thing". And what's so bad about pandering? We should be pandered too. This game is diverse enough that there is something for everyone, any other mmo pales in comparison, where every dude looks like a middle aged man on steroids and women all have the same hourglass figure with copy paste faces (admittedly we have the same in ffxiv but you can at least choose to still have variety). Male Viera take nothing away from existing players, yet some people feel threatened, it's bizarre.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

and who is G'raha tia catering to specifically.

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I wonder about that myself. Some people here are saying twitter/reddit users are being catered to or something, but be more specific. What kind of people are they referring to exactly?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

and who is G'raha tia catering to specifically.

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As I stated prior:

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

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Originally Posted by Nanchi

Yeah sure, let's have SE listen to the person who keeps labeling G'raha as a "thing". And what's so bad about pandering? We should be pandered too. This game is diverse enough that there is something for everyone, any other mmo pales in comparison, where every dude looks like a middle aged man on steroids and women all have the same hourglass figure with copy paste faces (admittedly we have the same in ffxiv but you can at least choose to still have variety). Male Viera take nothing away from existing players, yet some people feel threatened, it's bizarre.

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I never intended to play male viera in the first place, though I did support their inclusion in the male viera thread. I think male viera look bad, and don't look like how I imagined them in the lore. They are supposed to be wild protectors of the forest, trained killers, feared by those who enter the forest, etc.. yet they DEFINITELY look nothing like that, in my opinion. I don't know what I or other people would supposedly feel "threatened" about either, frankly.

you really let Twitter and Reddit live rent free and think everyone on there is the same.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

you really let Twitter and Reddit live rent free and think everyone on there is the same.

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I just wish SE would consider other opinions outside of these areas as well. I'd love to see them more active on the forums here!

Also, of course I do not think everyone there is the same, however these platforms are based on upvotes, likes, shares, etc.. What is the most popular on these platforms is what SE will see the most of, presumably.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They are supposed to be wild protectors of the forest, trained killers, feared by those who enter the forest, etc.. yet they DEFINITELY look nothing like that, in my opinion. I don't know what I or other people would supposedly feel "threatened" about either, frankly.

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If you google deadliest wild cat you get this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...rriKw&usqp=CAU

Just because something doesn't have a fierce look or look like a total badass doesn't mean they're any less dangerous.
But yes, I understand and I do agree to some degree that the visual aspect is important.
The appearance is the first thing people will notice and from that get an impression of what that character is capable of.
But just like how one shouldn't judge a book by its cover one shouldn't disregard the possibilities that even if it doesn't look so it can just as well be so.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

As I stated prior:
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They went with, what they felt, was the most popular interpretation of male Viera and it worked. They got their inspiration from fanworks, mostly JP artworks I might add. And thank everything for that, because we don't need another case of Aura.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

If you google deadliest wild cat you get this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...rriKw&usqp=CAU

Just because something doesn't have a fierce look or look like a total [...] doesn't mean they're any less dangerous.
But yes, I understand and I do agree to some degree that the visual aspect is important.
The appearance is the first thing people will notice and from that get an impression of what that character is capable of.
But just like how one shouldn't judge a book by its cover one shouldn't disregard the possibilities that even if it doesn't look so it can just as well be so.

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This supposed "world's deadliest cat" is an animal that hunts small prey:

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Due to its small size, the black-footed cat hunts mainly small prey such as rodents and small birds, but also preys on Cape hare (Lepus capensis), being heavier than itself.

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With context taken into account, male viera would be up against a much different kind of enemy (prey) than this cat example. We are talking Garlean invasion forces, large monsters, etc. etc. Plus up against the environment itself.

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Originally Posted by Nanchi

They went with, what they felt, was the most popular interpretation of male Viera and it worked. They got their inspiration from fanworks, mostly JP artworks I might add. And thank everything for that, because we don't need another case of Aura.

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They just simply aren't how I imagined them. I hoped they would get options that I'd personally like more, but that wasn't the case.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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And this is a video game so if they want pretty bunny bois to be able to repel larger prey they can make it so.
All I wanted to show was that appearance isn't everything when it comes to what something is capable of.