New NMs

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Think so, the problem i see is that by example , when i played FFXI, the real leet gear was salvage/odin gear , and not HNM gear(for the most part).
Salvage was just to much fun.Dont know what happened after i left ffxi.
Those were the times.
I still dream about that full set of usukane i never completed , /cry

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Yup this is the way I think it should be done, content that requires lots of work but is accessible to a lot of people.

It's kind of like the badge system in WoW, you collect up your currency (or whatever else it might be) and spend it on gear it works for both casual and hardcore.

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Originally Posted by Visch

I was NIN and SAM in XI so almost all of my gear was from instances. I had full Usukane, shadow ring/mantle. No matter what nothing was leeter than D ring. Nothing.

HNM drops were WAY harder to get than instanced stuff no matter how hard the actual fight is.

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I think you just explained my problem with HNMs type of mechanics better than i could.Harder fight should be = better rewards.Is a flaw in the concept of the game imo.They were harder to get solely because of competition. On a PvE game world NMs on 24h is a mistake imo.

If this was a PvP game and you fight others to get the reward i would agree with you 100%, but unfortunatly a "claim" fight is not fun or healthy.Claiming faster =/= better.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

We kill all the NMs with less than 6 people with no emulate tank. This is irrelevant.

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We do as well, but Emulate is definitely a deciding factor. If its not for Emulate, we just throw in someone that can keep hate with more HP than should be needed and its GG.

But your 6man party is within the 4-8 party range that SE promotes.
Is that an issue now? You can low man NMs, the games too easy?

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

I think you just explained my problem with HNMs type of mechanics better than i could.Harder fight should be = better rewards.Is a flaw in the concept of the game imo.They were harder to get solely because of competition. On a PvE game world NMs on 24h is a mistake imo.

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It doesn't matter how hard a fight is though. If it's possible to do everyone will be able to organize and do it if it's instanced. Which leads to everyone getting the gear in a few months...

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

We do as well, but Emulate is definitely a deciding factor. If its not for Emulate, we just throw in someone that can keep hate with more HP than should be needed and its GG.

But your 6man party is within the 4-8 party range that SE promotes.
Is that an issue now? You can low man NMs, the games too easy?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNknL...feature=relmfu

Too easy bro.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

We do as well, but Emulate is definitely a deciding factor. If its not for Emulate, we just throw in someone that can keep hate with more HP than should be needed and its GG.

But your 6man party is within the 4-8 party range that SE promotes.
Is that an issue now? You can low man NMs, the games too easy?

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I can low man NMs all day is the problem.

I'm done with long spawn NMs I'm all for forced POP but getting Joytoy was hell.

After the fixes and a lot of content comes out I wouldn't mind seeing them just make them for fun though not the main endgame aspect like it partly was in XI

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Ive played FF11 since the day it came out and abyssea destroyed the game.

Please show me a casual LS in 11 that had all the endgame gear, i would love to see this.

HNM people do leve's/quest, we just do them efficiently in 1hr+ and have time, you takeing 3hr+ to do the same thing shouldnt be my problem.

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not really aby isnt that easy. I love that junk pile mob that can 2 shot my level 90 dancer..... >.> so easy huh.

But still why level if people just want to kill nm all day well my bad wait to kill an nm all day.

I was in a few casual based end game LS's after all the hardcore competition for gear is cleard anyone can get the gear. Only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

I can low man NMs all day is the problem.

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Grats hehee.

If 7 lines of text are a block I think I'm done debating, good day to you sir.

A salvage-like event would be amazing, i await the threads on how BS the drop rates are and even though everyone can do the event, everyone should already have the full sets.