Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Like I said, being noticed Single Targetting to control aggro isn't the issue; that changes nothing.

Interesting note on enmity generation, though; I must just be running into a lot of DPS who don't AoE well, or at all.

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Non AoE dps is another issue that plagues the roulette.

Just got out of a Bismarck where the healers had to rescue a DPS onto Bismarck's back almost on cooldown because said DPS wasn't understanding the prompts in chat about where they needed to be to actually damage it. Or a recent Mhach run where the healers had to also rescue people into the zombie puddles to save MP on raises. While rescue can be abused, by and large I mostly see it being used to help rather than to hurt.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Non AoE dps is another issue that plagues the roulette.

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They* should just make every skill in the game do aoe (splash damage), streamline it, remove some skill bloat. Remember grasping the concept of using a separate skill for "aoe" in the first place is something many players cannot understand. :)

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They* should just make every skill in the game do aoe (splash damage), streamline it, remove some skill bloat. Remember grasping the concept of using a separate skill for "aoe" in the first place is something many players cannot understand. :)

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I could see that, though gasp people would complain about the simplification of the game.

Though honestly the amount of players that as you said are unable to understand the concept of AoE skills, I think they game has to be made easier.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Oh, and as kind of a way to cap this off, I think I've come up with my retaliation strategy.

So, if a Healer ever Rescue pulls me into mobs I'll pick up the adds and tank them normally. Then once we get to the point where the pull can be easily managed without the healers assistance, I'll Shirk kill him. No wipe, minimal inconvenience to everyone else; this feels solid.

Then as the healer is walking back he'll have plenty of time to politely request larger pulls, at which point I'll politely agree to do them, and everyone lives happily ever after... The End.

Pretty great, right?

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Now that this convo have turn into a theorycrafting mess of how to kill healers I'm going to take my leave, I'd only add that:

1) Killing them would only reset their Rescue CD allowing them to do it again if it was truly a troll instead of a rescue with good intentions

2) You underestimate the power of healing. A good healer will always be able to carry a bad tank. A good tank can never carry a bad healer.

Ofc this is talking about large pulls. Assuming you've already established enmity on the first crowd of mobs before healers' rescue pull you to the next. Odds are, I'll be able to keep my self topped off if im tanking 3 adds. Trust me, being petty isn't something u want to do. Two can play the game.

Be an adult about it and just tell them to not do it, otherwise you're only contributing to the problem.

This skill is awesome, didn't even know it was there! :)

As a new player, I benefited from it when a healer pulled me out right before a raid boss ("normal" mode) did an attack (it was ARR alliance raid, I think it was boss Phlegethon). I made sure to thank him for literally pulling me out of the fire.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Seriously, just make it a toggle. That way premades can use it to cheese mechanics, or whatever, friends can goof around with it, and the rest of us won't have to deal with it in randoms.

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I think that's a reasonable suggestion, so long as it's "opt-out" toggle. That way, us newbies get to be rescued, and you experts are not inconvenienced. Everybody wins!

The only time I have ever found rescue a useful skill is on Praetorium, when I am trying to pull someone on to an elevator so they don't get left behind. In dungeons, when I get pulled to a safe zone by a healer, I usually assume it was a mechanic and I immediately run out of it out of habit. If there is a need to change it, not sure there is, a free sprint would be a better use.

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Originally Posted by K_Sparks

As a new tank it makes me extremely uncomfortable for another player to take control of my character. On the other hand, it pushes me to be a better tank. So I'm split on the issue.

I main as heals and honestly I barely use rescue.

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you can learn to be a better tank by asking for tips, making friends and the like. It is not ok for players to abuse you to make you improve.

So this is kind of funny but, because of this thread, I removed Rescue off my hotbar, like I said I was going to do. Guess what happened tonight? No, seriously, guess.

On the last boss of Amaurot, during the death ray mechanic (or whatever it's called) the tank ran to a side platform that was getting ready to collapse. Not sure if he panicked or what, but he ran to it. I was on a platform right across from him, like on the same side he was on. I went to Rescue him over to me and was like, "DAMMIT! I took it off!" Sure enough, the platform collapsed and he died. We wiped. I'm not even sure if Rescue would have worked in that situation but I feel like I could have saved him with it. So, it's back on my hotbar now. :D

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Originally Posted by Lium

So this is kind of funny but, because of this thread, I removed Rescue off my hotbar, like I said I was going to do. Guess what happened tonight? No, seriously, guess.

On the last boss of Amaurot, during the death ray mechanic (or whatever it's called) the tank ran to a side platform that was getting ready to collapse. Not sure if he panicked or what, but he ran to it. I was on a platform right across from him, like on the same side he was on. I went to Rescue him over to me and was like, "DAMMIT! I took it off!" Sure enough, the platform collapsed and he died. We wiped. I'm not even sure if Rescue would have worked in that situation but I feel like I could have saved him with it. So, it's back on my hotbar now. :D

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Rescue would only have worked in that case if you would have positioned yourself directly on the opposing platform. If you would have tried that from any other platform you would have rescued him into his death due to fact that he would fall. It's a pull, not a teleportation skill.