The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

I'm going to sound rude but, could we just ignore NyarukoW or even report him?

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Just ignore. Seriously, stop caring about what one guy the majority of people disagree with says in response to you. Not having the last word isn't equivalent to conceding.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Except you are doing exactly that.

"Be more inclusive, help new players out"

A straight hypocrite.

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Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic. Help when you can is a long ways from helping everyone all the time. But it is not unrealistic or unreasonable to take the attitude to be more inclusive so your are open to helping others when you can, and it naturally follow that one should do NOT hate on the newer players, and newbies. So don't all people names like lazy, lack initiative, spoonfed, etc. which are all false for a vast majority of the playerbase. And do NOT do exploit other players with clear sells.

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Originally Posted by BobtheBlackMage

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Advice was provided for the OP.

"Make your own group"
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That is sure stating the obvious. The OP even said that is what has been tried time and time again. The question how do you do that effectively? There has been all sorts of irrelevant name calling, but no real advice to date. And this thread went downhill once the name calling started:

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Originally Posted by Izsha

.... You guys are either the most antisocial people on the planet and live in a friendless hole in the eorzea ...

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And advice like this supposed to help the OP how?

And then it was followed up by shame less clear sell:

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Originally Posted by DarkLordCthulhu

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But hey u can always hmu for a sale if u really wanna clear that bad lol

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No help for the OP but will certainly taunt the OP. If anyone that should be upset it should be people that newer players and newbies trying to build a static, the verbal abuse on the forum is just excessive. All the raiders feigning righteous indignation have only the clear sellers to blame, and really have no ground to stand on.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite?

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http://puu.sh/cLBgm/5b16cb1d41.JPG

Based on your posts? Yes. I checked your lodestone and you don't even seem to be capable of practicing what you preach.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic. Help when you can is a long ways from helping everyone all the time. But it is not unrealistic or unreasonable to take the attitude to be more inclusive so your are open to helping others when you can, and it naturally follow that one should do NOT hate on the newer players, and newbies. So don't all people names like lazy, lack initiative, spoonfed, etc. which are all false for a vast majority of the playerbase. And do NOT do exploit other players with clear sells.

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Except that you refuse to acknowledge that people are actually helping others when their time and constraints permits it.

It's funny because the reason clear sells exists is because there is a demand for it. A whole lot of people who buy clears are just people who want to complete it once for the achievement and couldn't be bothered to grind for hours on end so they just pay, get the clear and/or loot then are done with it. Nobody's forcing or threatening anyone for these clears. It's a contract that needs to willing parties so if one party is not happy with the terms, they can easily just refuse and move on. You're making it sound like clear sellers are all colluding together to deny people of joining parties so that these very same people will be forced to buy from them which is just nothing short of a delusional thought.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Except that you refuse to acknowledge that people are actually helping others when time and constraints permits it ...

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I do acknowledge it. When you have concrete evidence like this:

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

.. But I will give credit where it's due, and you should be congratulated for helping your 6 noobs in your FC learn T6. If this thread achieved only that, it is still progress. And that is 6 less clears the clear sellers get to sell.

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If all you posted your war stories from the past week about how you helped some newbies thru some raids for the first time, the tone of the thread would be dramatically different.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

.. I checked your lodestone and you don't even seem to be capable of practicing what you preach.

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I do practice what I preach. My lodestone proves what exactly? All that hunt soldiery gear is so newbie like all the newbies you hate? My forum character is for forum posts, and being a bit paranoid here and cautious is only appropriate considering the amount of flack, harassment, name calling, and threats I get here for stating something so simple like be more inclusive and play nice together and help each other.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic.

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No. Telling people to help new players and, by extension "take under their wing, then going right around and saying that no one says that is hypocrisy. There is no two ways about this.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Based on your posts? Yes. I checked your lodestone and you don't even seem to be capable of practicing what you preach.

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Nah, this character is an alt character. She said she used to get harassed in-game and/or on forums when she used her real character.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

I do acknowledge it. When you have concrete evidence like this:

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And I will be the first to admit that I didn't see that post so you acknowledged it once. Good. Now can you answer the other part of the post or is that too much for you to cherry pick from ?

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Nah, this character is an alt character. She said she used to get harassed in-game and/or on forums when she used her real character.

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So she believes in her cause so much that she comes to the forums to berate other people but can't actually take the heat back and hides behind an alt character?

Looks like my pic still applies after all.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

And I will be the first to admit that I didn't see that post so you acknowledged it once. Good. Now can you answer the other part of the post or is that too much for you to cherry pick from ?

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From this thread, must have somehow missed it.

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Originally Posted by Ivy_Dresden

Speaking from experience I've had players join learning groups just to troll them to failure. 5-10 mins later PF "1.5 mil for T6-T9 clear. 2 mil for Shiva ex clear. Same player. You best watch who gets invited to the group. They want more people to exploit. Not less.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

So she believes in he cause so much that he comes to the forums to berate other people but can't actually take the heat back and hides behind an alt character?

Looks like my pic still applies after all.

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I personally don't understand it. I've been on the forums for quite some time, and if you've been a regular on topics, I've posted many unpopular opinions. Want to guess how many times I've been harassed?