I love how some of you are acting like people working together to cover as much as terrain coordinating are just a mindless horde waiting for people to tell them where to go and they're selfish for asking to wait a bit (they're not asking you to spend 10 minutes or an hour there, just a minute or two.
I have no issue with people pulling marks if they're not in any groups and I'm against people resetting if it's already underway. (Unless everyone agrees to, accidental pull, etc.)
Most people don't keep these people (those just waiting and not scouting with the rest) in their hunting parties/linkshells for long. It's a server-scale group effort more often than not (at least on Hyperion). Everyone profits from everyone else covering different zones wherever there's more than one opened for an A (or S). They're not asking people to wait because some of their party members are having breakfast or getting married, but because they were helping as much as the guys who came upon the mark to find it.
Courtesy isn't mandatory, but the ones who lack it are the ones that should be called selfish.
But for Bs, yeah, go at it I guess, they go down way too fast anyway, but also don't be surprised if the horde comes and kill it too, they were actively doing the hunt, while you were mining or going to some other activity.
So resetting's against the rules now?
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08-09-2014, 12:57 AMKyou_Ruxy
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08-09-2014, 01:07 AMTeirshinJust because you "believe its right" doesnt make it so, and as a note... SE makes the rules, so they get to decide, not you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Appleh4x
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08-09-2014, 01:22 AMKaiKatzchen
Very interesting read over all.
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08-09-2014, 01:40 AMAppleh4xThe entitlement argument seems invalid to me. Why do you feel entitled to kill something alone that could be shared with many people? What makes you so special that you can get marks and others can't because of your lack of patience/unwillingness to share? I /my party find the vast majority of hunts while I'm on doing them and we share with as many as possible and appreciate the same in return. No entitlement about it, just common courtesy and sharing with our fellow Eorzeans. If they don't want to share they get kicked out of LS and blisted by people as a consequence they brought on themselves for being entitled and selfish.Quote:
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08-09-2014, 01:51 AMKyroc
My party is entitled because we found it and we claimed it. Come and join in if you want but reset that mob and I'm going to report you. Nothing selfish about that.
If you are happy to wait for half the server to arrive and zerg it down then more power to you. I find that extremely boring and prefer to fight a mob on a bit more of a challenging level. -
08-09-2014, 01:57 AMAppleh4xIf you consider an A rank a challenge with a full party and all i110 gear then you obviously haven't done much endgame content. The hunts are all super easy monsters with very high HP pools, and some of them have gimmick attacks like reflecting damage or petrify. I wouldn't say they are even as hard as a base HM primal. You're just trying to justify the fact that you can't be bothered to share, which is selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyroc
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08-09-2014, 01:57 AMGhishlain"Okay, I should log off soon, I need to leave for a dinner party in the next ten minutes or so. Oh! A B-Rank just spawned! Umm... well, I'll start chipping away at it and when the other hunters come to help kill it and I'll get some marks and then I can leave for my party." *Summons Chocobo to assist and engages the mob*Quote:
Originally Posted by Appleh4x
"Ah, here are more hunters, oh yay, a tank got hate on it! This will make things easi-... wait, why is he running off with it? B-B-But" *Marks get smushed into the ground immediately after it gets reset*
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08-09-2014, 02:03 AMAppleh4xNo one resetting cares about B ranks. Actually most people who have hunted more than a few days don't care about B ranks. They don't give logs, give 1/4 the marks as an A rank, and die so fast that it generally isn't worth the teleport. Apply the same logic to an A rank and you would have still only got a few marks because they have so much hp your contribution would have been useless reset or not..Quote:
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I looked at your lodestone, you have all i110/i100 gear, there is no way a party of people in gear like that would consider A ranks "a challenge" they merely have a lot of health. I was pointing out your fallacy.Quote:
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08-09-2014, 02:07 AMGhishlainYou missed the point - There's a perfectly legit reason to want to pull on your own since you have an opportunity dropped onto you and don't have time to assemble any additional friends / allies due to time constraints and thus "pull early" without sharing the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Appleh4x
If your point of contention in the scenario is "Oh, it's a B-Rank", I'm pretty certain any player worth their salt can hold an A-Rank just as easily.
[Edit] If you don't think I know how to build as much contribution as humanly possible as a WHM using Benediction + Divine Seal + Cure III on myself and a Chocobo, you're sadly mistaken. I will still be out paced by a good WAR or PLD or another WHM who has eight people with them that can Divine Seal + Cure III until they over take me (Very easy to do).
[Edit #2] I will admit, the scenario would be better if I DID shout the coordinates since I want people to get their faster so I can leave quicker. Doesn't change the fact that if the horde wanted to, they could decide that "I pulled early" and reset me without knowing WHY. -
08-09-2014, 02:09 AMKyroc
Who said anything about all i110 gear? I mean seriously, why did that even enter the conversation?
You're saying I am trying to justify why I am being selfish when all I have done is come across an unclaimed mob and killed it with my party. All you have done this whole thread is try to justify why you are entitled even tho the LGM has specifically stated you are wrong. They actually quoted you. Post 243 on page 25. What more do you need?
I really think I'm just feeding a troll now so will end my posts here.