Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

queue story for easy tomes on my DRK char, get prae; ok sure this is easy enough. co-tank instantly shouts Off-tank.
i dont say anything because sure w/e this place is jokes but
well i aint never "Main tanked" prae before, ive only witnessed it so LORD KNOWS WHAT IM DOING EXACTLY

everything seemed to go fine though, no complaints from anyone at least, but man i was laughing the entire time because it was just.
do I pull this? well im going to anyway
do i go now or wait... im going now bye.
i realised pretty quickly all i needed was Unleash so i would burn my TP in sprint, nyoom around pikcing up 50 million adds and then standing there like, ok now what and hoping the healers werent miles behind my fast ass.
the hands in nero ping ponged me about like crazy, apparantly those are outright ignored now until someone ends up in the wall, idk.
and the second round of ultima was basically a game of DDR with all the blue lazers aiming at my MT position. i may have eaten some while BP was up, no idea what the healers thought of me.

still, i found it a rather funny run to myself; have 0 clue what your doing, sprint the enitre run, and pull things you can probably skip and tank in stupid spots.

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Originally Posted by LDR

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HA; this weekend I had something like this, but the PLD wanted to go main tank, without any stance on them, and I as warrior was running behind him and trying to save others with all the mobs he was losing around =___=; I tried to repeat few times to use the SHIELD OATH but nothing, I ended to MT everything in the end without even trying <o<;

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

His answer... "It's just the 1st boss, we don't need it". Honestly. This is true. But by damn, it has such a long CD. It's one. Freaking. Cure. Just do it.
"Any mitigation is helpful though :)" (notice I'm still using smiley's to hide my frustration)
"Whatever"

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As SCH, I start off every boss fight with Stone Skin and a Deployment Tactics Adlo + E4E so I can just face DPS the boss through its first few attacks no matter who they're on. I really dislike when tanks run off before I get to Deploy (or it ends up only hitting 1 person) because that Adlo leaves me able to basically ignore almost everything the boss does for a significant portion of the fight.

I should bug Paladins to cast Divine Veil too. Moar deeps for me! o3o

Today I was tanking Halatali HM, and there was the worst SMN I have ever come across.

THE ENTIRE DUNGEON they did not use shadowflare or ANY dots. Not even once! They literally just spammed ruin II the entire time!

Should have kicked them really, I did ask them nicely to please use their other abilities. Very frustrating...

Level 60 roulette as Ast, get Alwaysreap. Tank and Ninja are new, but we clear everything up until the last boss just fine with me having to hold back my DPS a bit due to the tank's gear level (with mine being 208).

Now, I had assumed that the tank had had basic knowledge of the dungeon, as he rushed in to every boss battle without asking or waiting for information, so I thought the last boss would be a cakewalk as well. The tank managed to fall off to the first knockback, so I of course had to play tank for the rest of the battle. No big deal, 2 DPS still standing. Then the other DPS, a Summoner, falls off to the second knockback. Oh boy. Starting to get a little worried, as the Ninja was basically just geared enough for the dungeon and I didn't know if our combined DPS could take out the boss before my MP went dry.

But we did it, and I of course had to summarize with "stronk independent healer needs no tank". Everyone cheered and the tank apologized for being a newb. I told him not to worry, it happens and this was by far the most fun I've had in the game lately. Commended the tank for his nice attitude and I myself got all comms, which was a nice bonus.

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Originally Posted by Immut

On the contrary, pld/whm is an amazing combo. Shroud ensures they aren't going to take hate as long as you're flashing. To take full advantage of a whm healer you should pull with convalescence up because as a white mage, i'll be putting divine seal regen on you at the start. Wait for the first three holies since it's a 6 second stun, then, depending on how much damage you're taking relative to their boosted regen, pick and choose cooldowns accordingly. when you dip below, say, 75% hp, hallowed ground so they can keep the holy train rolling. Remember unlike holmgang and living dead, you don't have to be at low hp for it to do something.

Even the easy dungeons can be hard if you challenge yourself, and your reward is faster clears.

It sounds to me like that whm wasn't using shroud of saints, but on the other hand hallowed ground isn't a panic button, it's a standard part of your cooldown rotation. Though if you were able to use ALL of those cooldowns, dps may have been lacking as well.

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Sorry, I didn't mean that they are a bad combo in general. I agree with you, I love WHM's. The only reason I said the combo was bad in this case is because we had 2 support DPS and his holy'ing meant I had to use flash instead of hitting them. Holy is great, but I think in this case, we were losing DPS overall. One of those, you hit everything, but nothing is dying scenarios. I'm still taking damage from all of them and it benefits me more if it's going to drag on to get one down at a time.

But my usual WHM healer's don't use Holy as much, and if they do, they do so more subtly. I don't think this one was popping shroud for whatever reason. Because he was ahead of both DPS and I was WAY ahead of both of them. He was always on the cusp of taking from me. He was better geared, but I was still ilvl 190. He was not a full 210 either. Probably around 205ish. And I do use Hallowed Ground as more than a panic button, but I don't use it if it's simply not needed. If I know rampart and foresight are gonna get me through the mob(s), I won't waste Hallowed Ground simply because you never know when you will need it. I'll especially try to hold off before a boss fight. I've saved a few wipes with Hallowed Ground and Clemency to finish off a boss when healer dies. Doesn't always work, but when it does \*0*/

But yea, guess this was my first time getting an extremely aggressive healer, WHM to be exact here. Like I said, the style isn't what upset me, it was more so his attitude. But anywho, thanks for the knowledge on WHM to those who responded. Always like to improve and if I see that play style again, I hope to be able to cope with it better.

Just to clarify, is it not basic knowledge that .5 from Alex 1 auto aggros whoever MTs? Had multiple runs of A1 nm yesterday to finish off my Unidentifiable Bone items, and most times, as a Warrior, I get the OT slot. Every time the main tank acted like I shouted Banana Hammock in church because id voke oppressor off him and of course .5 would stack bc he wouldn't move north. Even after I explain the simple mechanics that is the easiest tank swap in the game so far, 9/10 the mt would still want to do it the wrong way, as if grabbing a moving target and wrestling for aggro is much easier than keeping oppressor in the south, OT vokes for and easy pick up, dps do not have to move, and all the MT does is run north, hell hit autorun if you're that lazy. Finally rage quit the grind with 2 token bolts still needed, but I just couldn't deal with the thick headed nonsense any longer. Please DF tanks, learn the mechanics.

Was in level 60 roulette yesterday, queued in with DRK, WHM, NIN.

I quickly noticed on the first pull that things were going a little slowly, this seemed odd to me a we're super over-geared and my SMN aoe should have melted the pack.

We get to the first boss, and I notice the that NIN is downing the feathers very slowly - guessing his DPS was pretty poor.

After the first boss, the tank pulls all of the next sets of mobs 2 at a time. I think to myself, why wouldn't you grab all 4 guys with the AoE of SMN - we're all vastly overgeared here to be concerned. So, I figure maybe the healer is letting him drop too much. I watch that for a bit and see the healer has Medica II and regen up on the tank and is spamming cure while the tank is at 99% hp.

I begin to get very frustrated at this tank who is pulling very small pulls, healer who is waaay overhealing and NIN who is not dpsing. I thought to ask for bigger pulls, or mention something to any of the 3 of them.. but.. I decided not to. I decided I'll just lower myself down to their level, I threw up dots on all bad guys and didn't use any more aetherflows. I spammed some ruins here or there, and we finished the dungeon. I got a commendation.

I always advise to not lower your skill level when paired with terrible players, but in this case I did and I guess it wasn't that bad.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

>Overall bad and cringey party.
>I got a commendation.

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Please, tell me I'm not the only one who feels dirty getting those commendations.

Got Pharos HM for my roulette today. I went in with a tank, but he was having connection problems and apologized and had to leave after the first boss. The rest of us decided to see how far we could go before a new tank showed up. A new tank joined as we were killing the second boss. We went through the entire second part of the dungeon tankless. It was awesome. And now with a tank, it was going smoothly. But this is me we're talking about here, it can't go too smoothly without me futzing it up. So fighting the mom bomb, she was under half and I hit her with trick attack and dancing edge, so I started to LB. Then she summoned her two Grey Bombs and instead of stopping and getting them, I stood there and let my LB go off. This gave one of the Grey Bombs enough time to blow up before we could kill it. I died and everyone else was almost dead, but thanks to that awesome healer we made it through. It would have been a pretty perfect run if I didn't do that though.

Went into Ramuh HM (no not EX) just trying to help a friend clear it. One of the tanks was a GLD (a damned GLD!!!). Everyone in the PT does a collective WTF and asks the GLD where their soul crystal was? Says that GLD is superior to PLD because you can use all the cool dmg buffs from DRG and MNK. Other tank is a PLD and starts laughing/raging at the guy. In the end PLd solo tanks Ramuh in Sword Oath and laughs at GLD. Don't know if the guy was trolling or serious, but gods it was bad. Got the clear though ^_^

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Originally Posted by Demon_Grave

Went into Ramuh HM (no not EX) just trying to help a friend clear it. One of the tanks was a GLD (a damned GLD!!!). Everyone in the PT does a collective WTF and asks the GLD where their soul crystal was? Says that GLD is superior to PLD because you can use all the cool dmg buffs from DRG and MNK. Other tank is a PLD and starts laughing/raging at the guy. In the end PLd solo tanks Ramuh in Sword Oath and laughs at GLD. Don't know if the guy was trolling or serious, but gods it was bad. Got the clear though ^_^

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It would be great if the original classes were viable too. I prefer the concept of a GLD to PLD.

Had a pretty fun run yesterday of copperbell. Me as Drk, a Sch and Arcanist grouped up cus he was a green leaf and needed it, we get in with a rouge who also is new after a few pulls we ( me and SCH) kinda decide not to explain mechanics and such, were gonna let them learn and have fun, just give hints. Let them figure out the firesand and detonator.

So first actual boss I just tell them to save the bomb, took a few mins and several "pointing" emotes for it to click with them. Finally last boss I say nothing and they worked the basic mechanic of kill adds that were destroying the wall with no issues. Ended up with the only commend too but they both said they enjoyed it. I honestly think we are leaving bad tastes in newbies by force feeding them info on low dungeons.

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Just to clarify, is it not basic knowledge that .5 from Alex 1 auto aggros whoever MTs? Had multiple runs of A1 nm yesterday to finish off my Unidentifiable Bone items, and most times, as a Warrior, I get the OT slot. Every time the main tank acted like I shouted Banana Hammock in church because id voke oppressor off him and of course .5 would stack bc he wouldn't move north. Even after I explain the simple mechanics that is the easiest tank swap in the game so far, 9/10 the mt would still want to do it the wrong way, as if grabbing a moving target and wrestling for aggro is much easier than keeping oppressor in the south, OT vokes for and easy pick up, dps do not have to move, and all the MT does is run north, hell hit autorun if you're that lazy. Finally rage quit the grind with 2 token bolts still needed, but I just couldn't deal with the thick headed nonsense any longer. Please DF tanks, learn the mechanics.

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On my second relic, and I have never seen anyone try to do it with the method I think you are sugesting.

If it is better or not doesn't really matter. The fact that it is not the common method makes it worse for df when poeple are grinding out relic. If it causes one wipe you have probably lost any time it saved in a whole.day of grinding, which makes it worse.

But from what you are saying, I understand you are trying to do the savage style tank swap when they are tanking at the south end rather than the common north end. If the tank takes it south I would never consider it anything but a troll attempt to take it off of them, especially without communicating it first.

If you are attempting a method other than the meta, you need to communicate it first or risk wipes. Communicating it takes more time than it saves, and ond wipe costs more time than it saves.

Also, I've never had an issue voking .5 as it leaves the ramp.

Seconded, I have tanked so many runs of A1N I'm surprised I don't have nightmares, and standard procedure for duty finder is to have the off tank pick up .5 when it appears.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Also, I've never had an issue voking .5 as it leaves the ramp.

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Good Point, what was I thinking doing it the right way in DF, tbh I usually only run it with my FC, and we tend to do the fight the way it was designed. Since I need to run it, calculating in beast tribe dailies, probably 180 times to get the items i'll need I must succumb to running it with strangers. I agree, I don't have a problem provoking .5 off the ramp as OT, I just don't understand how common procedure goes against the grain of the fight's mechanics. Seriously, the MT has full aggro of .5, so why swap that target when it's easier to swap Opp, and there is no dps loss either than the MT autorunning north.

I never tanked A1N, but I plan on doing so in the future, and to be honest... I don't see a difference between "the MT stays with 1.0" and "the MT picks 0.5" as they have full aggro on both 1.0 and 0.5 as soon as the latter appears... someone explain me what's the point here please :confused:

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I never tanked A1N, but I plan on doing so in the future, and to be honest... I don't see a difference between "the MT stays with 1.0" and "the MT picks 0.5" as they have full aggro on both 1.0 and 0.5 as soon as the latter appears... someone explain me what's the point here please :confused:

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Sure! at about 40% hp, the Oppressor summons his twin, dubbed .5, which spawns in the north of the arena, announced by this rainbow coloured orb that oppressor casts. At this time, whoever has top aggro(hopefully the MT) also has top aggro on .5. The proper way to do the fight is to have Oppressor pulled to the south, the MT and OT swap Oppressor, and all the MT has to do is run north, and begin whatever combo he opens with; really whatever he wants because the MT automatically has top aggro. It's probably the simplest tank swap in the game.

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Originally Posted by Fluestergras

I never tanked A1N, but I plan on doing so in the future, and to be honest... I don't see a difference between "the MT stays with 1.0" and "the MT picks 0.5" as they have full aggro on both 1.0 and 0.5 as soon as the latter appears... someone explain me what's the point here please :confused:

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When Alex Normal was released, we started to bring the Oppressor to the South side of the arena (opposite to the door where the .5 will appear from) on the initial pull. When the door opens and the OT gets the .5 Oppressor, it would still walk towards the MT for a couple of steps before walking back to the OT.

We thought that this was quite annoying, but it worked nonetheless.

Then, we tried to do it the other way, were the MT tanks the Oppressor where it stands and when the door opens for the .5, the OT would Provoke the Oppressor form the MT and take it to the south side of the arena. Since the .5 Oppressor will have the same amount of Hate on the MT as the regular Oppressor did at the moment it spawned, the .5 will walk directly to the MT (who’s still standing near the door).

By doing it like that, the OT had more time to Provoke the Oppressor (instead of waiting for the .5 to become targetable and use Provoke, resulting in the .5 to take a couple of steps towards the MT before deciding to go after the OT) making the transition more smoothly the one we did before that.

You can do it either way. It’s up to the party how they want to do it. Suffice to say, not everyone feels the same way about that.

I recently EXDR'd into Saint Mocianne's Arboretum and had a tank that... seemed like he wanted to get banned.

So, initial circle goes down and I start to cast Protect. Tank runs off without waiting. Okaaaaay.. I can Protect him later. He begins to proceed to sight aggro the first three packs. I found it unusual how he was only doing sight aggro but just shrugged it off and chose not to heal him until we get to the final wall. He gets there... then sits perfectly still. I pop Tetra, all the monsters turn to me and eat me like the little morsel I am then proceeds to eat the rest of the party. Wipe.

Oooooookay.

Respawn, tank runs off again. I leave him to his own devices at this point, watch him die again. The two DPS and I pick up the first pack of mobs and begin to burn them down in a hilariously funny enmity shifting engagement but none of us die as we kill the pack. At this point, the tank respawns, sits on the bridge leading up to the first pack of mobs and stands there waiting.

There's some passive aggressive exchange between us but since the five minutes haven't elapsed yet, we can't kick.

After the first pack is dead, he runs ahead and pulls the remaining two packs in the same fashion as before. I pull the two little bulbs back to us and we burn them down. At this point in time, since we hit the 6-7 minute mark, I initiated a vote dismissal for Harassment and got the tank promptly booted.

The three of us begin to report the tank but for some reason, two of us disconnect after we submit our report (what a funny coincidence, lol). One of the DPS has a FC/LS mate join as a tank and we proceed through the dungeon without much more incident but good nature banter and had to pause for a bit as one of the DPS was talking with the GM when we got to the honey tunnel.

First time I've had to deal with a tank in that capacity but sadly they were not the most ignorant tank I've had to deal with. Heh.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

On my second relic, and I have never seen anyone try to do it with the method I think you are sugesting.

If it is better or not doesn't really matter. The fact that it is not the common method makes it worse for df when poeple are grinding out relic. If it causes one wipe you have probably lost any time it saved in a whole.day of grinding, which makes it worse.

But from what you are saying, I understand you are trying to do the savage style tank swap when they are tanking at the south end rather than the common north end. If the tank takes it south I would never consider it anything but a troll attempt to take it off of them, especially without communicating it first.

If you are attempting a method other than the meta, you need to communicate it first or risk wipes. Communicating it takes more time than it saves, and ond wipe costs more time than it saves.

Also, I've never had an issue voking .5 as it leaves the ramp.

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I only did 30 runs of A1N for my relic, and in that time I saw a mix of ways to do Oppressor. I saw some tanks tank north, some south, some in the middle. I saw OT grab 0.5, and I saw OT grab oppressor. I don't think there is a 'standard' way to do it - at least not in my data center. That said, OT grabbing oppressor, taking it north and having the MT stand still to take 0.5 seems to be the cleanest way to handle the swap.

I did A1N yesterday for the first time. Didn't know the mechanics honestly and I've done VA plenty of times as well as all the Ex's except for Thordan. So I didn't think anything of A1N (also figuring that you know, people would speak up and tell me if I need to know anything when I ask...). I queued up with some friends. We consisted of the 2 tanks (WAR and PLD) and 2 DPS (MCH and SUM). First up, Faust. We tell the party both tanks are new and I simply ask if there was anything we should know. My friend who has run it (MCH) said it's pretty straight forward and another party member said the same. We start pull, and oh hey, look. An add. nbd. Now my thought process was to just keep hitting Faust. Oh hey, another add. They still haven't killed the 1st one. W/e, guess we're burning. They'll take care of it. Annnnd another add. And another and another. Is no one going to pull them? Our healer's are almost dead? Now since no one is picking up or killing the adds and they are pummeling our healers, I decided that perhaps I should try to grab them. 2 or 3 flashes later and oh hey look. The dragoon took aggro. Great. I didn't even pull the hate off the healers yet, so now, I simply have no aggro on anything (maybe 1 add...) and we wipe.

I know that the fight should not have been hard and I recall hearing about solo tanking here, but I assumed that was the main boss, not the small one. So I simply chimed in with, "no one thought to mention there's a million add's I should grab?"
After that, someone said, "yea, usually the MT grabs them before they hit others".... Great, glad to know now...

Next pull wasn't a problem. I grabbed them all and we burned Faust like he was nothing (knowledge is power!)

Now for Oppressor. I ask again, "Anything I should know here? Again, both tanks new". Not even joking. DRG attacks Oppressor. Seriously. So you can probably guess. It was a pretty quick wipe. Next go, someone else ask's, "so who's new?" =_=

We got an explanation this time. The issue however, was that the people running it with us were pretty much all decked out gear wise. I'm avg ilvl 190. The WAR was a little under ilvl 180. I was fine keeping aggro, but I would only be a bit ahead of the DRG, BLM and healers. The party told me, you can take Oppressor North or South, when .5 comes, OT takes. Ok, simple enough. I take it north... When .5 comes out however, it was immediately stacked on top and honestly, you couldn't even tell there were 2 of them.... Now this next part was my mistake as I didn't quite think about the situation from OT standpoint (especially under-geared). I just thought, oh hey, 2 for 1. CoS! I noticed a voke right before it went off.... Opps. My friend just couldn't rip .5 off me. I tried to see if maybe I could help by moving to south instead. Nope. Nope nope nope. Don't do that. Long story short. We wipe. Party is angry. I'm trying to calm it down. Someone chimes in with, "usually MT takes Oppressor to the south so it's easier for .5 to be picked up". Yup, I noticed now. Thanks.

So this time, I do exactly that. Pull it south, and .5 comes popping his head back in again. OT goes to pull. And it was exactly as those above posted. She couldn't take because I had such a huge lead on it. She voked, but it wasn't until it got to me. Eventually, they were pulled to opposite ends, but it was such a messy pull and it caused some issues, which eventually lead to a wipe. We got them down to 12% though. But once again, not being told mechanics is what killed us. OT used AoE attack (not sure which) when the adds popped up. So she had them both on her. She didn't know that she needed to move them under the missiles. So we ate a few and that left us too damaged to recover. 3 left the party at this point.

Then I thought, maybe I should be OT since I can generate more hate quickly. So we decide to switch it. Seemed like a good idea as I could very easily steal .5 when he came out. But once again, I didn't think things through completely... The new DPS that joined us were all decked out still. Like, ilvl 200 avg at least if not higher. WAR pulls, and starts dragging south. Maybe like, 2 seconds later, someone took hate. Now, I'm in sword oath at the moment. So I'm like, crap! I try using my enmity generator's and voke to get ahold, and I do. But it took a few seconds and the DPS and healers were probably half hp because they kept switching between all of them. I drag Opp to the south and then establish a decent hold (while in sword oath mind you). After I get to a good point, I tell WAR to voke and take and it worked just fine. I switch to shield oath and grab .5. We do wipe again unfortunately. But this time, it was the healer blaming the DPS for not doing their jobs. There were a few missiles missed as well as an overall complaint that DPS was too slow. *sigh*.

Next go is when I decided to look at gear and realized why WAR had a hard time holding. So I tell everyone I'll grab Opp to start and establish a good hold on him then WAR will voke and take and I'll grab .5. People liked the idea. Basically, right when the bells started ringing that .5 was coming, WAR would voke and I'd simply stop hitting. Once taken, I'd grab .5 and it'd be real easy as I was only a tiny bit from the top of the enmity list for .5. Shield lob would be enough for me to take, no need to even use voke. And luckily, we had finally found the magic combo xD
Everyone finally knew what had to be done. I had also gotten into the habit of popping divine veil when Opp and .5 went into the air and we'd all stack on the opposite side. Think that actually helped a lot as I saw a few times that my Divine Veil was falling off DPS prior to the time being up.

Can't wait for A2N.... T-T

Okay, thanks to Iagainsti and Aldora, I think I'm gonna try that soon ^^

Just had the fastest Neverreap run ever, I went on AST and had a WAR, BLM and SMN with me. The WAR always pulled everything possible and the mages melted the mobs literaly within seconds. Things were dying SO fast that my card buffs sometimes were still up when all the pulled trash was dead. We were done within 16 minutes in total, but the best thing was the WAR saying, "the first really good astro in a good while ... god i love those healers", making me proud as hell :)

Leveling Roulette on my 57 Dragoon came up with Dusk Vigil yesterday. At the very first group of mobs, the tank stacks them in a nice pile of three so I start AEing them like I would expect in most any level 50+ dungeon. It doesn't take long before I have one of the mobs on me personally, but I keep going like normal thinking the tank will pull aggro back. I wind up Dragoon tanking the mob for about half of its health. Afterward the healer comments that they're wondering who the tank is, so I say that I'll tone it down some and they reply that I shouldn't have to. At that point the tank goes "link dead" and never comes back. *sigh* The disappointing part is that none of us in the group were even really surprised by their behavior.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

I did A1N yesterday for the first time. Didn't know the mechanics honestly
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Honestly, the most surprising part of your experience to me was that people actually stuck it out through multiple wipes on A1N. Since most runs go quickly and the wait time in duty finder is frequently almost instant, people tend to bolt at the first sign of a challenge. I've actually experienced it once where I was running back after a wipe and got to the boss only to have a dialog popping up asking me if I wanted to look for more party members... because all seven other people had already left while I was running back for the next round.

I had that yesterday in A2N, we wiped because I had 5 stacks of vulnerability and the other tank thought all he had to get was the gob widow while I got everything else. The Jagd dolls flattened me, trashed the healers, then wiped the party. This after I'd shamed a dps into trying walker because no one else would and dps seem to think they don't have to anymore.

The bard did his best, still had vulnerable bc he ran out of walkers, but we got through. It was rough.

The A2N pulls mess me up a bit bc they are very different from Savage.

Went on leveling dragoon in the vault, I ended up with a paladin, bard (both being new and french, and they obviously queued together) and scholar.
The paladin went ahead until he met the first trash group aaaand no Flash, no CDs, only Rage of Halone combo and some Circle of Scorn, the latter being used after every mob but one has run to Eos and thus out of CoS's range. He took the mobs back with Shield Lob rather than Flash or Provoke, but at least he tried... And he really didn't have the slightest clue about how to position a mob, he turned them towards the group or around and had always at least one mob hitting him from behind.
The bard was worse though. She started without Minuet (but activated it later after I asked her to do so), used her Flaming Arrow exactly once only to shoot it into the middle of nowhere, her rotation was Straight Shot - Venomous Bite - Iron Jaws and she ignored any boss mechanic although I explained her, even in french ._.
But the bard I had in the vault run after that was EVEN worse. NO MINUET DURING THE ENTIRE DUNGEON ._.

I'm new to the game and when I entered a dungeon (can't remember which one it was) I was there for like 2 minutes when my mouse and my keyboard cut out completely. Worse thing was I was supposed to be healing and I couldn't move, heal or talk! I dread to think what the group thought of me just standing there doing nothing! To make matters worse I totally panicked, so when I went to unplug and re-plug my keyboard in I accidentally ended up phoning up our local taxi company (I was totally unaware of this at the time) and there I was cursing away shouting at my keyboard and mouse to work. When I noticed that the phone was active I quickly put the phone down. So yeah, I hate to think what my local taxi company thought of me also! :P

In the end it turned out that I need to update the drivers, and had to restart my computer and by the time I managed to log back into the game I was no longer in the party, so I presume they got fed up with me and removed me. Not that I blame them of course :)

A while back I was doing trials roulette as a Dragoon and got Titan HM.
There were two other dragoons in the party and one of the dragoons made a joke about elusive jumping off the platform.

Run goes alright, one of the dragoons ends up getting punted off at one point I think.


Get near the end of his life bar and I move away to avoid the plumes and go to hit spineshatter to get back on Titan quickly...

My fingers miss, instead I hit elusive jump!
I jump backwards in horror.... I see my character land just on the edge with a slight feeling of relief, until I slide off to join the other dragoon on the floor.

Oh the shame!
But they manage to finish Titan off, and we have a laugh about my misfortune.




And that Dragoon who made the joke at the beginning..?
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I just finished an amazing level 50 roulette as a WHM.

Got brayflox, group was amazing, run went super fast.

I am sorry that I didn't commend that incredible tank, but the bard that was using Foe Requiem only for me!!!

Trying to Thornmach Ex DF. Explain the strategy on controller because PC MASTER RACE KB+M IS SUPERIOR are too busy to explain before raging, several groups, no one listens, one group listens, we nearly do it, ninja forgets everything and leaves WHM moogle almost dead.
SE, please. Implement a chat that comes out of your TV/monitor, slaps you in the face and forces you to type back/confirm you understand/affirmative or negative response. Much needed.

Lv. 60 Roulette. Got freaking Neverreap once again. I haven't had a Fractal run in a week.

We all jump to the platform where the last boss is. Bard for some reason runs backwards, jumps off, and dies. Said he saw a friend jump back the day before. >_>

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

Good Point, what was I thinking doing it the right way in DF, tbh I usually only run it with my FC, and we tend to do the fight the way it was designed. Since I need to run it, calculating in beast tribe dailies, probably 180 times to get the items i'll need I must succumb to running it with strangers. I agree, I don't have a problem provoking .5 off the ramp as OT, I just don't understand how common procedure goes against the grain of the fight's mechanics. Seriously, the MT has full aggro of .5, so why swap that target when it's easier to swap Opp, and there is no dps loss either than the MT autorunning north.

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I just find that in DF Alex runs, it's best to plan for having the worst teams in there an be plesantly surprised if its not. I have seen so much in tanking for two relics... I just find it's best not to try to push people to new or different things in there right now. About half the time it seems to end in a wipe, costing more

Hell, 2/6 runs in A4 had wipes the other day. One from a dps bringing all three lasers to myself and another DPS, so they both died, and I died almost immediatly after. Another Nisi got passed around like a bad cold.

My first attempt at Void Ark today, we wiped on Irminsul and then again on Cuchulainn. Among other issues, the tank in my group was wearing level 56 armor... with all i210 strength jewelry to get them to the minimum iLevel.

Been in two groups yesterday. Thornmarch Hard. Wiped 5 times in total. DPS would focus the King even when told to kill the adds first. And they weren't first-timers... I don't even....

This astrologian never drawing any cards and running on the first trash packs without a stance. After I asked them to activate either Diurnal or Nocturnal, they chose the latter, but never used Aspected Benefic and only one Aspected Helios during the entire dungeon. They never used Helios or anything else than Benefic and Benefic II either.

This was in the Vault.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

A while back I was doing trials roulette as a Dragoon and got Titan HM.
There were two other dragoons in the party and one of the dragoons made a joke about elusive jumping off the platform.

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I have yet to be knocked off by Titan. I've been victimized by elusive jump multiple times. ...it happens... I had to rearrange some skills on my palette to reduce the risk. Seriously, having elusive jump and your combo opener on comparable locations on different palettes is a bad idea. At least it was a FC party and not duty finder.

EX, get pharosHM, WAR/NIN/WHM, im runing BLM. WAR and NIN seemed to be averagely geared, smattering of 200s, not many 210s etc, WHM seemed to be highly geared. i was thinking, this will be great, the WHM will have the power and the NIN can aid the WAR in agro and TP and we can mega pull this dung to hell and i can flare till the cows come home.

nah

i guess the WAR wasnt confident as they only pulled mobs as they were; so the first load on the stairs? normally yad pull the corruption things to the slimes and get 6/7 adds, then do final set at bottom OR pull it all. we did it in 3 sections, basic pulls are go. WAR has also TP floored by the time we deal with it all and get to the 4adds before first boss. No Goads :U WAR swaps into deliverance here and there, but i dont see the TP regain kick in, so no idea.

first boss, i figure, well hopefully i can kick out normally and if there is an agro issue we have a NIN right? shadewalker and smokescreen? nop
i begin my opener, first hit fine, second hit i have agro. pop my defensive cds, and do nothing till tank regains, decide to cast into ice to get the flow going without mass agro from fire as tank just regained; boss pings back to me regardless, so i stand and wait some more.
i do my first enoch refresh without having cast fire4 once :U
things also progress slowly, i may be a turret but im not full on solo dps tier; notcie the NIN is doing stuff like Doton on the boss? and using the ice mudra??!?!
either way stuff was slow and i couldnt go all out as i was riding the WAR for agro constantly and didnt want to turn this into a ping pong game.
WHM was fine, im p.sure they did more dps than the NIN; WHM would continue to be MVP for the rest of the dung and put up with this [throws commends]

anyway, we pass, next section, single pull first robot thing, then tanks vokes second robot thing to single tank that before doing coblyns but idk smth happened and he had to tank them too, 4 adds!!!! i do aoe and flare!!!
BIG MISTAKEY
i would realise from this point i am relagated to ST BLM dps for the rest of the dung even if 3/4+ adds :UUU
carry on, tank doesnt even pull next coblyns to the bomb maker so i can aoe from that, so i just ignore them and ST the bomb maker myself; hey at least it meant he got an agro lead on the mobs.
second boss, i decide to wait before making my move; tank pulls, i throw E4E on him, stand, throw Apoc on him cause why not. i dont begin my opener until the boss does his first jump basically.
by the end of my first F4 chain i have agro >.>
so i divert off onto the slime add, and hold back again on boss
much the same as last time but we get through so.

repeat previous single pulls
then we get to the big room with the 3 bomb makers and the adds and yeah.
Tank grabs first add while me and nin deal with the makers.
tank doesnt move
WHM tells him to go grab the two by the wall so he does
then tanks them nearby, leaving that 4th kobold by the 3rd bomb maker
SO me and the NIN take it upon ourselves to tank the 4th add, thank the lord BLM has its manawalls so the WHM could just regen me and focus on the tank who... had gone into deliverance vs the 3 adds and was pingponging HP like mad.
still we survive

final boss
pull, i wait, e4e tank, wait, apoc tank, wait, i even hit the boss with lethargy and virus just as something to occupy the 10 odd seconds i wait.
do opener, dont get agro! but i am riding the tanks ass again so, hold back time.
NIN still using odd mudras and doing odd rotations and idk
WHM chips in with cleric otherwise bombs wouldve had us in the later stages; i can burn one solo but both is tough so.

overall it was an .... interesting run? WHM did good to put up with it all so.
still
i do sometimes question how people get these classes to 60 and then do this

went into party finder with a friend (to help people too scared to try a1s)
we got whm (yeah could be hard) but what was very cute was what they did, they were too scared to die
so they came with full vit accessories and vit food they had more HP than us tanks, can't help but smile, beginners are adorable

Joined a Pharos HM in progress as my WHM. Found a SMN and a BLM waiting at the gate to the 2nd boss. We waited a few minutes for a new tank to show up, before the BLM says "Lets try it with Titan tanking".
I'm up for trying things out, and while it took a bit longer than normal, Titan was able to tank the 2nd boss no problem.

Still no tank in sight, so we decided to try our luck with the remainder of the dungeon. We completed the remaining mobs with a combination of Titan tanking and us kiting mobs, without any deaths.
The final boss was also handled without any issues. (found out that the stacking Fire Vuln debuff maxes out at 5 stacks).

Shout out to the SMN and BLM, and big shout out to the Chicken Nugget. I will not call you useless again.