Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

never said anything like that ? 100% sure that if it gets tied into variant dungeons at all than doing the criterion savage version will not be a requirement.

there is however a big difference between making it a requirement and "letting the criterion savage version drop 2-3 times the necessary loot compared to running a normal variant dungeon" the whole argument was

the other poster -> "they tied it into hildibrand instead of something interesting like bozja, obviously people found bozja to hard lol"
me -> we don't even know with what content they will actually tie in the relic this time, but whatever content they chose is independent of the fact they tied hildibrand into the relic quest chain. Also IF they go with "high level" Criterion dungeons being faster than whatever the alternative is than square would actually reward challenging yourself which bozja did not do as it wasn't even designed to be hard",

and than you jumping in calling me a hypocrite for "making assumptions" so yea, stop twisting my words.

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Doesn't bozja have solo engagements that some would argue are more difficult than some EX mechanics... lol
That said I would hope Criterion would be that difficult but I seriously doubt that considering the direction the devs have taken this game.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Doesn't bozja have solo engagements that some would argue are more difficult than some EX mechanics... lol

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is doing the solo engagement some hard requirement for getting the relic ? or even speeding it up by a noticable degree ? pretty sure no one signed up for bozja just waiting to get a chance at a solo engagement cause THAT was the content that was gonna push their relic progress through the roof.

say for simplicities sake relic truly was done completly through variant/criterion dungeons. if an average criterion (savage) run took twice as long as an average "variant dungeon" run but rewarded 3-4 times the loot
than actively opting for the more challenging content would reward you with faster completion assuming you can actually pull it off, i.e. it would reward challenging yourself instead of just going through the motions falling asleep.

now bozja on the other hand you didn't have this in that form, you couldn't sign up for "bozja savage" and got more loot or something like that, hard content (solo engagements) popped up from time to time, if you got chosen and could do them you would be rewarded, but that wasn't really an active choice you could just make and in that regard wasn't really speeding up your progress to a meaningfull degree either, bozja had "hard moments" if you choose to participate in them, but they weren't a factor you truly had (or even could) considerered concerning your relic progress.

and again, this is a giant if anyways, maybe none of this happens, and that will be perfectly fine. but arguing that they tied the relic quest to hildibrand "to make it easier" compared to having us grind another bozja is either ignorant or plain dishonest. these things are completly unrelated and square is perfectly capable to tie the relic into hildibrand and make us run glorified fates in a new zone if they are so inclined, that is what the original argument was about. the following "if criterion dungeons are the fastest way to get the relic than square would actually reward players for challenging themselves" was just a possible way how it could be handled and of course assumes that this will be the hardest "light party" content square offers because that's literally what it's advertised at, you having lost faith in square doesn't change the design intent even if it should turn out to fall short of expectations.

Just going to get my take out there, I do not enjoy the complete randomness of Hildy in the slightest, But I love the grind of relic weapons. In fact I would even say its my most looked forward to part of the game. Making my relic quests a joke instead of the more serious aspects sours the entire content update for me to the point I am currently debating if I should continue the game for the next year or not. I understand that the new content looks fantastic but my whole thing has almost always been the relic grind. YES I REALLY DO LIKE MY RELICS THAT MUCH! I refined souls or crystallized essence to make a powerful weapon (and made a kettle at the END), I created a soul, I found out what happened to the Baldesion, I fought in a War, and now I get to... do something with a crazy person... joy.

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Originally Posted by Yourdooooom

Just going to get my take out there, I do not enjoy the complete randomness of Hildy in the slightest, But I love the grind of relic weapons. In fact I would even say its my most looked forward to part of the game. Making my relic quests a joke instead of the more serious aspects sours the entire content update for me to the point I am currently debating if I should continue the game for the next year or not. I understand that the new content looks fantastic but my whole thing has almost always been the relic grind. YES I REALLY DO LIKE MY RELICS THAT MUCH! I refined souls or crystallized essence to make a powerful weapon (and made a kettle at the END), I created a soul, I found out what happened to the Baldesion, I fought in a War, and now I get to... do something with a crazy person... joy.

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That crazy person has always been Gerolt. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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Because it make lazy player complains.

Long quest line? lol you have any idea how long is it to grind your relic? getouttahere

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

That's most comedy, even if it's not slapstick.
You don't like comedy :(?

Anyways, I dunno why you'd HATE Hildibrand just because the comedy doesn't land with you tho.
Why does not being into something or someone needs to equivalate to '' HATE ''?
What happened to being indifferent?
Hate is a pretty strong and dramatic emotion.

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This post is an object lesson in setting up a strawman, and then trying to tell somehow how they should think or feel.

They're not indifferent to it because they dislike it - they responded to a post using the word 'hate', so ask the person who used that word why they didn't say "dislike" instead - though who even cares? This line of enquiry reads more like an interrogation and pedantry over the use of a word.

Idk, can we not be happy they are trying something different? I personally miss Hildy. I see players complain they are homogenizing the game but they don't want to let them try anything different when they do. Can we pick a lane?

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Originally Posted by Zaredth

Idk, can we not be happy they are trying something different? I personally miss Hildy. I see players complain they are homogenizing the game but they don't want to let them try anything different when they do. Can we pick a lane?

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No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

This post is an object lesson in setting up a strawman, and then trying to tell somehow how they should think or feel.

They're not indifferent to it because they dislike it - they responded to a post using the word 'hate', so ask the person who used that word why they didn't say "dislike" instead - though who even cares? This line of enquiry reads more like an interrogation and pedantry over the use of a word.

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How is it a strawman rofl?
I never told someone what they should feel please drop the victim mentality for once.

I obviously don't literally believe that the person I was responding to doesn't like comedy.
Most comedy tho does revolve around stupidity one way or the other, most comedy comes from pointing out dumb things or silly things.
I was jokingly making a comment about that in jest.
The Hildibrand comedy is just more overt and slapsticky about it.
It's fine to not like it I never said that it wasn't, then again people think that Yoshi-P making a joke about the glam system is him mocking the playerbase out of spite...
It can't be helped if people want to victimize themselves about everything I guess, but I don't believe everyone should have to walk on egg shells all the time because there's people who look for every excuse to be a victim.

It's fair enough that maybe the person I responded to might not HATE the storyline, but that would be the implication based on the question they responded to and without prefacing that they don't actually hate it '' but ''.
If I am referencing what someone else said that another person responded to then I am typically including that previous comment too even if I don't always quote both.
And I often speak in generalities too, there is a trend in this thread that people think that Hildibrand is too comedic for the relic weapon storyline and especially that they're upset because they don't like the comedy.
Lunartears and Imora both made two comments about this and I chose to respond to Imora, it's nothing personal.

I dunno what the point of asking Lunartears about it either would be because Lunartears never said that they hate it, they were asking why others do and Imora responded and I chose to use that as an example to respond to.
You really love to throw labels and terms out to overdramatize everything constantly out of fairly harmless conversations.
It's not pedantry when people are very heated and upset about harmless things or because they don't like this particular style of relic weapon questline.
There is a very obvious and clear difference between someone who is being indifferent or simply don't like something and someone that HATES it, '' hate '' is a very strong emotion and I think it loads it in a very different way and you can clearly see that both in this thread as well as others and how it affects and derails discussions.

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