Can we talk about how mnk, drg, and blm are blatantly overpowered right now?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

When the prog actually mattered, Summoners still outnumbered Black Mages, just not by a 31:1 margin.

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When the prog actually mattered, that is to say, Titan in early week 1, black mage was undoubtedly the best in slot choice for the caster slot. Even the best groups in the world were not clearing with a death. Give it enough time and that ratio will reverse itself in the easy fights too, these things have inertia like I said.

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Originally Posted by RadicalPesto

"Homogenization" really has just become a meaningless buzzword for people who want the flavor of the month classes to remain at the top forever huh.

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For me, it's not the homogenization; it's the way casters are balanced. Right now, the optimal way to learn and clear content is to use SMN (or RDM) first because of raise and switch to BLM for farming. No other roll has to deal with that. Playing one roll for clearing content, and then another for farming. The raise tax on SMN and RDM are way too high. Balance casters like ranged are balanced. BLM is high damage no utility, SMN is slightly lower damage, some utility, and make RDM low damage, high utility.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

When the prog actually mattered, that is to say, Titan in early week 1, black mage was undoubtedly the best in slot choice for the caster slot. Even the best groups in the world were not clearing with a death. Give it enough time and that ratio will reverse itself in the easy fights too, these things have inertia like I said.

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If we're using the race teams, then Caster is overly represented by Summoners.

When Black Mage was brought, it wasn't unusual that it was replacing Dragoon and paired with Summoner or Red mage.

Oh it's pretty unusual alright, to the point where I decided to stop wasting my time looking down the list when it's mnk drg blm + ranged as far as the eye can see. As for summoner, I've already explained very nicely earlier why the trend looks as such and why it's set to reverse, and I'm not inclined to do so again.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

Oh it's pretty unusual alright, to the point where I decided to stop wasting my time looking down the list when it's mnk drg blm + ranged as far as the eye can see. As for summoner, I've already explained very nicely earlier why the trend looks as such and why it's set to reverse, and I'm not inclined to do so again.

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That's fine. And if nothing changes in the by the time 5.2 rolls around, it'll probably still be Summoner/Red Mage + Black Mage replacing melee for the bleeding edge.

See you next tier :)

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Originally Posted by Myon88

See you next tier :)

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5 months is a long time and we got two slated balance patches let alone what drops with 5.2

Don't worry, Summoner will be undisputed again. Won't that be fun for everyone.

Well at least someone is more optimistic than I am, though for a change I'd be quite happy to be wrong.

My hunch is 5.08 and 5.1 will be nothing but qol changes to dot and egi assault related matters, and no potency changes at all except indirectly. They said as much during the live letter after all, potencies and output were not mentioned explicitly like in the case of ninja and samurai. That'll leave us with a job that plays very slightly better, but still has crippling flaws that have gone unnoticed like trances and energy drain having poor downtime flexibility. All this changes nothing about its pecking order relative to blm.

In the best case scenario, people realize this and smn engagement continues to plummet, the job will be sent back for another look over that won't happen till 5.2 - or later. Worst case, the job turns into machinist where any legitimate flaws are drowned out for good by people - who generally don't raid - talking about how flashy and fun the job is to play.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

5 months is a long time and we got two slated balance patches let alone what drops with 5.2

Don't worry, Summoner will be undisputed again. Won't that be fun for everyone.

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Thing is smn won't kick blm out if they get buffed enough they would kick out all physical ranged, blm is probably solid in group play unless they take the nerf sledgehammer to its face, but physical ranged is in trouble of being irrelevant due to their dps not being good enough compared to the alternatives, people are already thinking 2 melees and 2 blms might be better which is a bit of an oof.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

Well at least someone is more optimistic than I am, though for a change I'd be quite happy to be wrong.

My hunch is 5.08 and 5.1 will be nothing but qol changes to dot and egi assault related matters, and no potency changes at all except indirectly. They said as much during the live letter after all, potencies and output were not mentioned explicitly like in the case of ninja and samurai. That'll leave us with a job that plays very slightly better, but still has crippling flaws that have gone unnoticed like trances and energy drain having poor downtime flexibility. All this changes nothing about its pecking order relative to blm.

In the best case scenario, people realize this and smn engagement continues to plummet, the job will be sent back for another look over that won't happen till 5.2 - or later. Worst case, the job turns into machinist where any legitimate flaws are drowned out for good by people - who generally don't raid - talking about how flashy and fun the job is to play.

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SMN has much bigger issues than just potency increases. Waiting until 5.2 would be dumb. Release a major balance change at the same time as the next raid tier? It would be smart to do it during a non major patch like 5.08 or 5.1.