If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

The very best cross class spell/skill in the game, I'm very sure you need to get it if you are a healer. Many of you think it is for swiftcast raise, but that is far from the whole picture.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

Ive seen parties crumble even with what they term the best party makeup, gear, skills, food, etc. So with more people with that thinking it doesn't surprise me.

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This is poor logic. Just because bad things happen when you give yourself the best chances, doesn't mean you stop giving yourself the best chances. If Swiftcast is useful a non-zero amount of the time (and we can all agree on at least that much right), then why would you choose not to get it? That 1% difference may not seem like much to you (and if you think it's ONLY 1% then you clearly haven't ever actually used Swiftcast) but how can you deny that if you're in that unlikely scenario and don't have Swiftcast that you didn't hold your team back?

I prefer not to be held back even 1% of the time. I prefer to play my classes to their full potential. To me the attitude of "I'm going to do the bare minimum" is more harmful than not having Swiftcast. Players without this attitude get Swiftcast. Arguments about this not being a job and about how this is just a game are not relevant. You care. I care. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be posting. Something doesn't have to be your job for you to want to work hard to do your best at it. Besides, in the game world, healing IS your JOB. And calling someone an elitist is just ad hominem arguing. I can totally get that some people in this thread are coming off as elitists but it doesn't make them wrong. Certainly people should understand that even if getting Swiftcast is a time sink they don't want to bother with (Of what a few hours? In the long run they'll save more than that) that losing fights you should win because the healer doesn't have Swiftcast (yes it does happen) wastes time as well.

The difference is that the time you spend to get Swiftcast is a one-time payment vs. the days/months/years your group is losing time because you don't have key skills. It's not just about Swiftcast + rez as many have noted either. Swiftcast makes all your spells better. But on the subject of rezzing, anyone who thinks that they can rez someone just as easily without Swiftcast is blatantly lying to themselves and/or never fought any of the HM Primals or beyond. You generally don't have time. You either have to move to avoid attacks or you stand there not healing the rest of your group for several seconds.

Lastly, getting dead players back into a fight (i.e. players now contributing nothing) weakened or not, makes a huge difference. The whole argument that if they had played perfectly, they wouldn't BE dead, falls flat, because nobody can play perfectly all the time. However, everyone doesn't have to be perfect to win a fight and you shouldn't limit your groups successes to only those times where everyone does play perfectly.

What it all boils down to is this simple logic: You can win more with Swiftcast. Does anyone want to win less?!

A warrior is not going to stop being a tank just cause they choose not to get provoke.

It's the other tank's fault if they cant suddenly drop their threat to pass the boss on to the warrior on tank swap mechanics.

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If you need Swiftcast>Raise to win instances you need to L2P. Eighter that or the DF pugs on your server is terrible.

But yes, it is indeed good if people are as good as possible, but it is not in anyway as needed as you claim.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

A warrior is not going to stop being a tank just cause they choose not to get provoke.

It's the other tank's fault if they cant suddenly drop their threat to pass the boss on to the warrior on tank swap mechanics.

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Oh yes, they are useless tanks if they don't have Provoke. Ever heard of Garuda EM, ADS & Twintania?

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Originally Posted by Slambo

If I'm casting raise YOU are doing it wrong. you show me a fight with a guaranteed 1 shot to someone (every time) and I'll agree with you though.

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This is the truth.

Having swiftcast if good though, like having Provoke on the Warrior. Although Provoke is a little different...

The thing is, are the end-game fights designed around having cross class skills?

Yes: then all healers should get swiftcast, all tanks should get provoke, all whatever should get whatever...

No: then obviously no.

I remember Yoshi-P did say something about this, although I forgot whether his answer was yes or no. :(

Still. One should be chewing on those who keep dying, not chewing on the healers who are already doing their best to keep everybody alive.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

If you need Swiftcast>Raise to win instances you need to L2P. Eighter that or the DF pugs on your server is terrible.

But yes, it is indeed good if people are as good as possible, but it is not in anyway as needed as you claim.

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What? Why would someone need to L2P if they use swiftcast raise? Shouldn't the person who died be told that? What if a healer was hit by a spike of lag even though they have never had lag before and have done the run without getting hit dozens of times (has happened in our FC). Should they learn to play?

What if another group in your CT alliance pulled two skellies to the same spoke on Bone Dragon and the ensuing unavoidable AOE took out your BLM. Should he learn to play? There's nothing he, or your entire party could have done to prevent it.

Shit happens all the time. Refusing to deal with it is just being... weird.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

This is poor logic. ?!

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I dont feel you need to play perfect, you just have to have a certain degree of mastering the content, no amounts of reses will help. However through practice and repetition you will master the fight, and it will become easy. Swiftcast is not going to solve these kind of problems, even if it does and you end up winning you are just winning the battle not the war. If my group wipes it doesnt bother me cause i see a mistake and i know that team can down the content the next try. And my previous post was how people would rather someone with high gear, and cross class over someone who can play their job better. Cause i guess all the content is a gear, and skill check that is all.

i think swift cast is a nice feature for whitemage, but i don't think it's just for raise. in genral it's handy in dungengs when if either ur lag a little or come late to a lure to make sure noone dies and speed up the heals.

but in 8 man party its not essential to have it. people who die in titan are usually just not used to the fight or such , all titan moves are avoidable except those stombs. and in general if ur not well geared then its hard to survive in phase 5 while weakened. in other fights u can have a summoner even do the raises cause whitemage's MP is more precius.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

Alright continue to see things how you want to, cant help that. I see logic and reading aernt your strong points.

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Well I don't see the logic or reasoning in not getting an ability that makes you better at your job, and that makes the job easier/more efficient. Especially when it's so easy to get and doesn't really take that long in MMO terms. I see these defences in this thread,

I shouldn't have to
I don't need it
DD's are just bad, L2P

I don't agree with any of those reasons. The truth is Swiftcast is easy to get and very useful and there is no good reason to not get it.