The virtual currency "Moogle Coins" in the FFXIV Companion app must be removed

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Originally Posted by illgot

For all we know you gain access to these coins in game. Even if someone wants to buy these for real cash... it's not too going to have a huge impact in the marketboard.

People are so stupidly quick to undercut each other and repost sales that paying moogle coins to relist an item will only be efficient if you are dealing with a very expensive and rare item.

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They said it is a premium currency, meaning you pay IRL money for it, don't you know how apps work? Even if you can earn it some how it will never be near enough to encourage you buy them.

FFXIV's MB is set up to have that abused just by how it works, if this was RS or wow or something, i would give it a chance, but FFXIV's MB is really open to abuse. I do not like the act at all for allowing price changes/ putting stuff up from an app to begin with, but to have a IRL transaction to allow you to do that on top of it? SE can prob make 100+ dollars a day from one person just from undercut spam.

Undercutting by 20k+ even millions at times is what is stupid, making sure your the top listing though is pretty much a requirement.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

I do not like the act at all for allowing price changes/ putting stuff up from an app to begin with, but to have a IRL transaction to allow you to do that on top of it? SE can prob make 100+ dollars a day from one person just from undercut spam.

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If someone wants to waste 100+ dollars doing this with the app while their competition is in-game doing it at no extra charge... "a fool and their money are soon parted."

We'll have to see how much those moogle coins will cost. But if you do an undercutting war with them it sounds like you are better off just to pay an rmt for the gil instead of paying for the chance of making money. I do hope the coins wont be cheap :D

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

If someone wants to waste 100+ dollars doing this with the app while their competition is in-game doing it at no extra charge... "a fool and their money are soon parted."

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This. So much. Nothing the app is going to provide (aside from saddle storage and a retainer) is something a person sitting on a computer can't already do. And FFXIV is pretty easy to launch remotely. I personally use remote desktop because it'll launch in DX9 mode. There's also rainway, parsec, and probably a bunch of other supported tools to stream a game. To a phone even! Granted, the official app might make this easier, but with the undercutter rates on balmung, I'm not exactly making much profit to start. Items under 10k drop in half daily.

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Originally Posted by reiichi

This. So much. Nothing the app is going to provide (aside from saddle storage and a retainer) is something a person sitting on a computer can't already do. And FFXIV is pretty easy to launch remotely. I personally use remote desktop because it'll launch in DX9 mode. There's also rainway, parsec, and probably a bunch of other supported tools to stream a game. To a phone even! Granted, the official app might make this easier, but with the undercutter rates on balmung, I'm not exactly making much profit to start. Items under 10k drop in half daily.

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Sure for right now this is the case. But then again so many of you keep forgetting that this is just the first service that will be tied to Moogle Coins. They've already stated more will be added to it, so where do we draw the line? Where do we say no to them? Do we wait until it is too late and the line has been crossed so far there is absolutely no turning back? Or do we let them know now that this is unacceptable and nothing else should ever be tied to a micro transaction for the game? Personally I think we should push back now to prevent them from thinking we're totally okay with more stuff being tied to pay walls and micro transactions.

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

If someone wants to waste 100+ dollars doing this with the app while their competition is in-game doing it at no extra charge... "a fool and their money are soon parted."

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Yes and then its suddenly profitable for SE and we get more and more features like that and suddenly it might not be that fine anymore for more people. They already said that they are planning more features for these coins..who knows what we will get. So anyone paying money for those coins will just give them more reasons to increase that.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

Sure for right now this is the case. But then again so many of you keep forgetting that this is just the first service that will be tied to Moogle Coins. They've already stated more will be added to it, so where do we draw the line? Where do we say no to them? Do we wait until it is too late and the line has been crossed so far there is absolutely no turning back? Or do we let them know now that this is unacceptable and nothing else should ever be tied to a micro transaction for the game? Personally I think we should push back now to prevent them from thinking we're totally okay with more stuff being tied to pay walls and micro transactions.

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This is how I feel. Using the Moogle Coins for the MB is going to affect crafters and gatherers the most, but those are fairly niche interests. It will affect me and I don't like the change but what worries me most is these future uses they have hinted at (something they have surely researched and already started planning for).

I understand why people looking at the present situation might think 'wait and see' is the most sensible approach, however I don't think waiting until more micro-transactions are actually in the game is in our interests, once they are in, I don't see them ever taking them out.

Personally I feel what moogle coins can now do isn't that consequential, like what many have already said. However I am more afraid of what future services will require nuts or coins. Once the box is opened it will never close itself. I do think SE will never do "true" pay to win in the sense you'll need moogle coins for Ultimate clears, but we already see quality of life (QoL) gated behind irl money. I hope SE doesn't over do it with more QoL gating.

Reading the digest posted yesterday, I think it’s interesting that the mod posting didn’t even mention the coins. They just let the slides speak for themselves. I’ve been hoping they’d either post a thread addressing our questions and concerns, or at least post a reply in this thread, but they aren’t going to acknowledge that people are unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

Reading the digest posted yesterday, I think it’s interesting that the mod posting didn’t even mention the coins. They just let the slides speak for themselves. I’ve been hoping they’d either post a thread addressing our questions and concerns, or at least post a reply in this thread, but they aren’t going to acknowledge that people are unhappy.

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Acknowledging us means having to answer questions they probably aren't in a position to, like the expansion plans for Mog Coins and what the prices are, why they think a subscription on top of another subscription is reasonable, etc. I will be looking forward to the swift demise of the app as validation that SE got burned for its greed.

And, honestly, a "We hear your concerns and are working to address them" post would probably incite more rage because we know there would be no meaningful follow-up until months later, if at all. It's going to remain unaddressed because they don't have the necessary information or skill to defuse the powder keg. I wonder what would happen if a major games news outlet picked up and ran the story, though...