Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Kake_Jojo

The reason i use B4B after CT is so that my last FT and DFD are still buffed when using them

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Just don't refresh HT until B4B drops off, that will be your extra GCD needed while buffing CT and Pheb

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

I'm curious. With iLV continuously increasing, are we going to eventually reach a point where Straight Shot and Raging Strikes from being LNC are going to overcome Jumps and the 20 STR from being DRG?

To clarify what I mean, lets look at STR at the iLV tiers we've had.

iLV LNC DRG
70 - 407 427 4.7% increase

90 - 479 499 4.1% increase

110 - 558 578 3.5% increase

And with Skill Speed continually increasing, animation lock from Jumps is going to start having negative returns on our DPS at some point.

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I think that with the 2.4 Coils you still won't reach that point unless you stack SS primarily. It seems that'll be the last of the gear upgrades pre-expansion (barring savage coil drops) so they have much opportunity to stop this from happening

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

I'm curious. With iLV continuously increasing, are we going to eventually reach a point where Straight Shot and Raging Strikes from being LNC are going to overcome Jumps and the 20 STR from being DRG?

To clarify what I mean, lets look at STR at the iLV tiers we've had.

iLV LNC DRG
70 - 407 427 4.7% increase

90 - 479 499 4.1% increase

110 - 558 578 3.5% increase

And with Skill Speed continually increasing, animation lock from Jumps is going to start having negative returns on our DPS at some point.

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I'm definitely intrigued by this. It could technically give us (the DRGs) some leverage for SE to buff DRG in some Quality of Life ways. They may even have some stuff already in the pipe for the expansion time. What I'm hoping is that Jump and its kin abilities will actually evade AoE/Zones this time. And of course increasing the damage on Jump in general could be good compensation.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

I'm curious. With iLV continuously increasing, are we going to eventually reach a point where Straight Shot and Raging Strikes from being LNC are going to overcome Jumps and the 20 STR from being DRG?

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Level cap increase will introduce new stuff. What DRG needs is a job specific buff, like Fists of Fire or Dragon Kick that would give it an additional edge over the base class (since existing buffs are LNC class abilities) Straight shot is interesting, not sure about losing the jumps for a 3 min CD tho. You can perform 7 jumps in that 3 min time-frame (4 jump, 2 ssd, 1 dfd. 2-3 power-surged).

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Just don't refresh HT until B4B drops off, that will be your extra GCD needed while buffing CT and Pheb

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No. Use blood earlier in rotation and reapply HT. Please whiskey stop telling people to not reapply HT.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

No. Use blood earlier in rotation and reapply HT. Please whiskey stop telling people to not reapply HT.

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Why should I when it's 100 more potency? Go ahead, do the math. I did.

HT
LEGS
ID
IR
DIS
BFB
CT
SSD
PHLB
PS
TT
JUMP
VT
LFS
FT
DFD
HT
LEGS
TT
VT
(B4B ends here)

~vs~

HT
LEGS
ID
IR
DIS
B4B
CT
SSD
PHLB
PS
TT
JUMP
VT
LFS
FT
DFD
TT
LEGS
VT
FT
(B4B ends here)

I was annoyed that B4B would drop off before that second FT, too. Rather than not buff the DoTs, you just skip that HT and reapply after the second buffed FT. You still get DFD before the first HT wears off. +110 or so potency. (by my exact calculation 5372 vs 5489 potency)

what should some one do when they first hit 50?

Rofl at this.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Level cap increase will introduce new stuff. What DRG needs is a job specific buff, like Fists of Fire or Dragon Kick that would give it an additional edge over the base class (since existing buffs are LNC class abilities) Straight shot is interesting, not sure about losing the jumps for a 3 min CD tho. You can perform 7 jumps in that 3 min time-frame (4 jump, 2 ssd, 1 dfd. 2-3 power-surged).

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1590 - 1690 Potency from those jumps. Assuming you're not saving them for mobility.

Raging Strikes is ~560 extra potency not accounting for HT buff or BfB. I believe I recall buffs multiplying, instead of adding.

@whiskey, are you counting disembowel buff into the potency or no?