Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I like rp but im lazy I would like the option of a guided npc experience lol. Like you choose if you want npc or player driven ritual. Just ensure the npc ritual doesnt use the classic lines associated with christian marriage (good place to write dialog off lore of the game).

Never got why they made it GM ran :/

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Oooh NPC would be fantastic! I'd honestly never thought of that! And I totally agree with the line-change, would be much cooler with different vows etc

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Idea, the 2 people who want to have the ceremony need to run a quest or some type or a 2 person dungeon fighting and upon completion and finding all the pieces of something. The ceremony can go on, with out care of the character ganders.

- Complete quest
- Get CS naming [player a] and [player b] sword brother's/sister's, or something of the sort
- Give them a binding item
- ???
- Profit

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The idea of a questline was mentioned pretty far back in the thread, it received a lot of positive feedback! It'd be a lot more fun I think to kinda have a quest line saying "Well hey, before you get married/joined/whatever'd you're going to need to earn your permit" or somesuch, beats having a little level requirement and makes the whole process a little longer and a lot more fun!

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Idea, the 2 people who want to have the ceremony need to run a quest or some type or a 2 person dungeon fighting and upon completion and finding all the pieces of something. The ceremony can go on, with out care of the character ganders.

- Complete quest
- Get CS naming [player a] and [player b] sword brother's/sister's, or something of the sort
- Give them a binding item
- ???
- Profit

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I would even say make the quest long. Not to insanity length but long enough that when you are joined it isnt like "yeah we did this 12 seconds ago, as an after thought I think I want to try someone else".

Like the quest idea :D - good to go along with the idea of bonding with a player as well. Could make really awesome moments / CS inside the quest itself (like fighting monsters in insane odds) or having side by side crafting .. tehehehe lol

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Originally Posted by Nix

The idea of a questline was mentioned pretty far back in the thread, it received a lot of positive feedback! It'd be a lot more fun I think to kinda have a quest line saying "Well hey, before you get married/joined/whatever'd you're going to need to earn your permit" or somesuch, beats having a little level requirement and makes the whole process a little longer and a lot more fun!

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Hell if it was something as such I'd run it with my brother, for the sake of clearing the content. Would not really be a bother, thing is however am getting the vibe that some are not looking at this as another game component. And are bringing RL views in here.

Going of fantasy or even our past, bond between man and man and woman and woman is shown to be unbreakable as man needed someone they can trust to watch there back in war, and women needed help from other women while the men are at war.

That however is a brotherly bond, born from necessity. In ARR it will be easy to lore in as will be fighting a "war". I think people are looking past that and going in to the bedroom with there idea, an we get the Q.Q i quit people.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Hell if it was something as such I'd run it with my brother, for the sake of clearing the content. Would not really be a bother, thing is however am getting the vibe that some are not looking at this as another game component. And are bringing RL views in here.

Going of fantasy or even our past, bond between man and man and woman and woman is shown to be unbreakable as man needed someone they can trust to watch there back in war, and women needed help from other women while the men are at war.

That however is a brotherly bond, born from necessity. In ARR it will be easy to lore in as will be fighting a "war". I think people are looking bast that and going in to the bedroom with there idea, an we get the Q.Q i quit people.

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Pretty much what I've been saying the whole time lol. If the system is no longer explicitly romantic in any way then you can keep the "bedroom" stuff out of it.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Hell if it was something as such I'd run it with my brother, for the sake of clearing the content. Would not really be a bother, thing is however am getting the vibe that some are not looking at this as another game component. And are bringing RL views in here.

Going of fantasy or even our past, bond between man and man and woman and woman is shown to be unbreakable as man needed someone they can trust to watch there back in war, and women needed help from other women while the men are at war.

That however is a brotherly bond, born from necessity. In ARR it will be easy to lore in as will be fighting a "war". I think people are looking bast that and going in to the bedroom with there idea, an we get the Q.Q i quit people.

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I agree there's a lot of folk bringing /rl into this - views such as religion/morals etc and this is a faaantasy game, so those views as much as I can respect them do not belong here. (that made sense in my head honestly, not so sure now it's written down, but I mean no offense!)

I get what you mean about the different kinds of bonds too, I brought that idea up waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the thread (click the link in my sig to get teleported to like page 26!), and said that players could enjoy many different kinds of pacts; pacts between best friends, sworn siblings or even lovers yet each pair of players must determine what that pact means to them. This received a lot of great feedback too!

I'm yet to see anyone actually say "QQ i'm quitting", just a few saying "Well I know people that are..." To me that's kinda like dramatizing it a bit... The folks I know that were hoping that SSM was in the game are a bit narked at it not being implemented to start but still have a lot of desire to play the game.


It'd be awesome if they scrapped the idea of marriage completely, leave it to a nice quest line, player or NPC ran ceremony and then have the players define what their bond means to them. No squashed toes and everyone's happeh!

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Hell if it was something as such I'd run it with my brother, for the sake of clearing the content. Would not really be a bother, thing is however am getting the vibe that some are not looking at this as another game component. And are bringing RL views in here.

Going of fantasy or even our past, bond between man and man and woman and woman is shown to be unbreakable as man needed someone they can trust to watch there back in war, and women needed help from other women while the men are at war.

That however is a brotherly bond, born from necessity. In ARR it will be easy to lore in as will be fighting a "war". I think people are looking bast that and going in to the bedroom with there idea, an we get the Q.Q i quit people.

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Kinship bond was mentioned like 80 pages ago.. :D lol. I think that players should be able to describe their bond - whether the ritual is vague enough or allows options to visualize (brotherly/sisterly hug opposed to perhaps clasped hands and a forehead touch or something as an emote option at binding). One implies romance but isnt like "its time for boom boom" and the other is available to those who are in it for a kinship (or want a different option).

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Idea, the 2 people who want to have the ceremony need to run a quest or some type or a 2 person dungeon fighting and upon completion and finding all the pieces of something. The ceremony can go on, with out care of the character ganders.

- Complete quest
- Get CS naming [player a] and [player b] sword brother's/sister's, or something of the sort
- Give them a binding item
- ???
- Profit

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I rather see it neutral on company stance of just adding the items needed and have the players handle it tbh. When I mean of working for it they put the effort into doing something like this by RP or making whatever vows script for it. Personally I don't want to go fight something on a wedding day can see it know sorry honey can't talk mesa killing monter atm hey I need a cure she responds should of thought of that before you snubb me it over ; ;? what i doooo ; ;

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Originally Posted by odintius

I rather see it neutral on company stance of just adding the items needed and have the players handle it tbh. When I mean of working for it they put the effort into doing something like this by RP or making whatever vows script for it. Personally I don't want to go fight something on a wedding day can see it know sorry honey can't talk mesa killing monter atm hey I need a cure she responds should of thought of that before you snubb me it over ; ;? what i doooo ; ;

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Vows, wedding, marriage, is what am trying to get away from in here. Am aiming at doing quest X or Y to prove that 2 players are willing to do what it takes to help/save the other in a tight spot... or something like that. Or even better simultaneously each starting a dungeon from a different point and working to join team in the middle and kill a boss...

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Vows, wedding, marriage, is what am trying to get away from in here. Am aiming at doing quest X or Y to prove that 2 players are willing to do what it takes to help/save the other in a tight spot... or something like that. Or even better simultaneously each starting a dungeon from a different point and working to join team in the middle and kill a boss...

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HAHA I really like that idea, though knowing my fiance he'd just get there way before me then solo the boss.

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

HAHA I really like that idea, though knowing my fiance he'd just get there way before me then solo the boss.

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what if your lovers a newb :<

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Now on Gamespot, looks like they getting more bad press.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-...sy-xiv-6400405

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Now on Gamespot, looks like they getting more bad press.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-...sy-xiv-6400405

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Bad press? I wouldnt say so, I'm glad the game is getting attention.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Now on Gamespot, looks like they getting more bad press.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-...sy-xiv-6400405

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There you can see the history of this entire thread, spread out in a different format lol

And in neither article (kotaku and gamespot) have we seen any condemnation of the consideration or possibility of same-sex marriage support.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Vows, wedding, marriage, is what am trying to get away from in here. Am aiming at doing quest X or Y to prove that 2 players are willing to do what it takes to help/save the other in a tight spot... or something like that. Or even better simultaneously each starting a dungeon from a different point and working to join team in the middle and kill a boss...

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So you are trying to go off topic. Or at least water down the premise so that its no different than the many other side quests or dungeon crawls involving multiple characters.

This is a completely different kind of content altogether, forged out of the kinship the two parties should already have before application and invites to guests were sent. This is how FFXI did it, and it helped convey the decorum necessary for the ceremony.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

There you can see the history of this entire thread, spread out in a different format lol

And in neither article (kotaku and gamespot) have we seen any condemnation of the consideration or possibility of same-sex marriage support.

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I'm sure if it was up to the US gaming community alone it would have been finalized and allowed already lol

Hows the EU forums going (French/German forums).

(Not to say there is no one aganist that also plays video games - just they become a minority)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Now on Gamespot, looks like they getting more bad press.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-...sy-xiv-6400405

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As far as i have read comments there the majority agrees to "why bother add something as stupid as marriage to the game" LOL

I'm looking forward to this maybe me and the rl wife will try it out lol

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Originally Posted by Warlock

As far as i have read comments there the majority agrees to "why bother add something as stupid as marriage to the game" LOL

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The Majority is actually talking about 'why don't they just add it' e_e. Glad I could clear that up for you!

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I personally like the term bonding.

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I know this post is old, but...

Please, don't call it bonding. The sick part of my mind always mis-reads it as bondage....

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Originally Posted by Nix

The Majority is actually talking about 'why don't they just add it' e_e. Glad I could clear that up for you!

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Well I mean he's right, there are a lot of the same comments we get here from people who just don't understand what could compel people to want marriage in a game. That's fine, but I mean they wouldn't have added it if they didn't think there was demand and all.

The comments actually pertaining to the restriction though, you're right. They're overwhelmingly for the removal of it.

Same sex marriage in Eorzea? YES WE CAN! :o

I am Barack Obama and I approve of this message. :cool:

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Originally Posted by PotatoSalad

Same sex marriage in Eorzea? YES WE CAN! :o

I am Barack Obama and I approve of this message. :cool:

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NA-only servers {No thanks}

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Originally Posted by PotatoSalad

Same sex marriage in Eorzea? YES WE CAN! :o

I am Barack Obama and I approve of this message. :cool:

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[Offtopic] I love your name! haha

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Originally Posted by Nix

[Offtopic] I love your name! haha

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<3 Meep~

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Originally Posted by Nix

Thanks Exn ^^, I'm curious who the people he knows are that have de-activated now lol. I know a lot of couples that are really hoping for SSM but they wouldn't leave the game if it wasn't in, so that kinda blindsided me a bit lol.

You're a star, thanks for finding the quote for me and have a fantastic day^^

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Ha ha, thanks for quoting me. And yes, there are people on Kotaku, who said they were active players and canceled their subscription over it. One particular person said he/she had dealt long enough with it with StarWars Old Republic (I think that's what the game is called) and now this just push it over the edge.

I personally won't quit the game over this. I've lived long enough as a gay man myself to have my happiness get bothered (in this case the joy of playing the game) by bigots and cooperations which think too highly of themselves. This is a game after all, I don't want to bring real life politics into it. That said, it's a topic I have no problem standing up my view and will continue fight for what clearly at least 500+ people in this English forum know is supporting, which ultimately, is what we should be arguing about. If you think about it, they asked for our opinion, we voted, then they are hesitated to give us what they asked us to vote for.

To those who argued about the population size:

1. In economical statistic, which I have a degree on, the population size of this forum is good enough to act as a sample size of the whole game population. The fact that people actively voted themselves gives this a perfectly random population sample without bias.

2. The argument of "there are a size of population voted yes because they just don't care" is not even an argument at all. Just because they don't care they still have to actively choose "yes" or "no", and they chose yes.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

@ Sorata don't take this personally...

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Nah, I don't take this personally; as I've been through far too many of issues like this to let it bother me. That said, it doesn't mean I won't be vocal about SE handling this matter terribly.

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Ha ha, thanks for quoting me. And yes, there are people on Kotaku, who said they were active players and canceled their subscription over it. One particular person said he/she had dealt long enough with it with StarWars Old Republic (I think that's what the game is called) and now this just push it over the edge.

I personally won't quit the game over this. I've lived long enough as a gay man myself to have my happiness get bothered (in this case the joy of playing the game) by bigots and cooperations which think too highly of themselves. That said, it's a topic I have no problem standing up my view and will continue fight for what clearly at least 500+ people in this English forum know is supporting.

To those who argued about the population size:

1. In economical statistic, which I have a degree on, the population size of this forum is good enough to act as a sample size of the whole game population. The fact that people actively voted themselves gives this a perfectly random population sample without bias.

2. The argument of "there are a size of population voted yes because they just don't care" is not even an argument at all. Just because they don't care they still have to actively choose "yes" or "no", and they chose yes.

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Heh, interesting ideas.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I know this post is old, but...

Please, don't call it bonding. The sick part of my mind always mis-reads it as bondage....

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Lol! Yeah, that would be bad wouldn't it? xD
I changed my mind now..

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I know this post is old, but...

Please, don't call it bonding. The sick part of my mind always mis-reads it as bondage....

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Lol! Yeah, that would be bad wouldn't it? xD
I changed my mind now..

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If we're going to call it by another name we should just use Handfasting. Mithras LOVE Handfasting.

I am starting to get blank ideas over this. Technically as long as SE doesn't call it marriage, they can get away with anything. As long as the ceremony is conducted by none religions figure they can get away with anything. As long as the lore make's the "connection" of necessity, not of emotion they can get away with anything. I simply don't see any further stones on this path, just weals spinning in the mud.

I don't know. Maybe making a epic joining quest, or even a quest line, for two people would be a good thing. In RL you don't have to go fight any beasties to be joined. It would separate it better.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I don't know. Maybe making a epic joining quest, or even a quest line, for two people would be a good thing.

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I daww'd a little bit at the thought of that. What better way to join two people together than a quest of hardships and joys! Fantastic idea.

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Ha ha, thanks for quoting me. And yes, there are people on Kotaku, who said they were active players and canceled their subscription over it. One particular person said he/she had dealt long enough with it with StarWars Old Republic (I think that's what the game is called) and now this just push it over the edge.

I personally won't quit the game over this. I've lived long enough as a gay man myself to have my happiness get bothered (in this case the joy of playing the game) by bigots and cooperations which think too highly of themselves. This is a game after all, I don't want to bring real life politics into it. That said, it's a topic I have no problem standing up my view and will continue fight for what clearly at least 500+ people in this English forum know is supporting, which ultimately, is what we should be arguing about. If you think about it, they asked for our opinion, we voted, then they are hesitated to give us what they asked us to vote for.

To those who argued about the population size:

1. In economical statistic, which I have a degree on, the population size of this forum is good enough to act as a sample size of the whole game population. The fact that people actively voted themselves gives this a perfectly random population sample without bias.

2. The argument of "there are a size of population voted yes because they just don't care" is not even an argument at all. Just because they don't care they still have to actively choose "yes" or "no", and they chose yes.

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In response to number 2 it actually does matter according to statistic principle. There should be a third category for people who don't care. Because if you don't care your more likely to vote yes then no. A person who does not care wouldn't say no as it does not effect them so why bother.

To that end there should also be an option for those who want marriage straight removed. A survey of the populace can only be seen as legitimate if the answers one can give are collectively exhaustive and mutually exclusive, which a simple poll like this does not fulfil. I swear every body seems to have a doctorate on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

I am starting to get blank ideas over this. Technically as long as SE doesn't call it marriage, they can get away with anything. As long as the ceremony is conducted by none religions figure they can get away with anything. As long as the lore make's the "connection" of necessity, not of emotion they can get away with anything. I simply don't see any further stones on this path, just weals spinning in the mud.

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non-realworld religious figures = ok. Eorzea religion I see no problem why they cant.
They can get away with emotion as well, and I hope they do something of the sort. Simple dialog "How are we to bind you two?" "A. Binding of kin B. Something more...

Would hate to see SE have to water it down to "nice to meet you, now you are both bound, YAY, get out" lol


And I really like the idea of the quest - I know one popular idea for it is to fight insurmountable odds or teamwork specific dungeons. Like to push other contents being included as well.. Imagining a mithra x taru sitting on the dock fishing together XD... I think you could make the quest kind of "sample" all gameplay elements - completing them all would take more then 10 minutes of dedication.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

I am starting to get blank ideas over this. Technically as long as SE doesn't call it marriage, they can get away with anything. As long as the ceremony is conducted by none religions figure they can get away with anything. As long as the lore make's the "connection" of necessity, not of emotion they can get away with anything. I simply don't see any further stones on this path, just weals spinning in the mud.

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Pretty much yeah. There's so many things they can do to get around the "controversy" they've brought up themselves lol.

There is more to discuss but at this point we're mostly just waiting for a response. Can't really discuss too much further without knowing what Yoshida and team has decided.

Think this thread served its purpose I think it just useless drivel now on either side of the issue nothing new has come out of it besides same old repeats from people including myself to be frank. Now I am going to wait and see how SE make there mind up on whenever that is and put an end to this thread or start a new one for people to troll on.

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Originally Posted by Cedri

If we're going to call it by another name we should just use Handfasting. Mithras LOVE Handfasting.

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You mean..oh O.o well...some do my wife was/is a mithra (on 11 before people think i'm crazy >.>) and she wasn't not a handfaster rather...lets not get into that >.>

While I'm fine with waiting for a response from the dev team. I would like to mention this. Intentionally rude postings in an attempt to close this thread will not invalidate the findings of the poll, and will only result in more threads being created on this issue.


You are not doing the moderators a service. And you will make whatever side you are on look bad.

Its sad that video games have become too much like real life...very, very sad. They are no longer an escape from the grind of life, just another political vehicle for people to push their views, regardless of subject or stance.