They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

>Grebeny opinion

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Not that there's any way to be less lenient of parsing short of "anti-cheat" bloatware that probably still wouldn't prevent it, so long as the grey area exists, it's safest for someone not parsing to assume that others are; its grey status merely prevents them the courtesy talking to you or helping you through a shortfall, replacing that chance instead with simply kicking and blocking you from what content in which any such shortfall would matter, as not to risk the report. Any and every reason for a kick is valid under the equally "claim a mile to deal with an inch" category of "Difference in playstyle" after all.

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Anti-cheat has been discussed on the forums before, and Shurrikhan says the biggest part out loud for everyone to hear provided they read it. If there's one thing I don't understand, it's some people's obsession with wanting an Anti-Cheat when it's been proven time and again that Anti-Cheats are worked around by the 3rd Party App developers to keep the program running like it's supposed to. Those other games that have anti-cheat have shown that they can even be undetected on a computer as well.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Even that, though, is better than being kicked and blocked by someone without a parser on the uninformed suspicion of gross underpreparedness/underperformance would matter. Let's say the group's already wiped thrice to the enrage even with minimal deaths and the group leader, perhaps rightly, is on the look out for a cause since nothing's just sorting itself out naturally. Accidentally did your Chaos Thrust combo twice in a row, all of once, and they saw it and it stuck in their mind? Was your one time getting clipped by an AoE the mistake they noticed, even if you made fewer overall than anyone else? Even if you're still more than pulling your weight, that may be the end of you. I'd far rather my fate lie with what actually happened than from poorly (in)formed conclusions.

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One of the main facets of Primal is how its raiding scene imposes a three-run rule on itself when reclearing. Either people know the fight, or basically they were carried by others' standards. Having that one thing stuck in another's mind as Shurri says is how stigmatization begins - by hyperfocusing on one person throughout the fight and potentially making the problems yourself for not paying attention. Aside from Primal PF strategies that are typically from video guides or diagrams, there is almost little to no communication that happens based on my experience - something that needs to be improved just within the community itself.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

This is something that people will 99.99% forget whenever numbers are brought up into this discussion, it's almost baffling. Selectiveness is real.

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Context matters. The point, in the statements leading up to it, is that harassment is easy to verify, so they ban more frequently for that. ACT usage is not so easy to verify for them because they don't want to invade your privacy and install detection software to determine what else is running on your computer. He never said that they don't ban for ACT. He said that it's harder to prove. In that same interview, he also explicitly said not to use ACT. The reason the streamers are being banned for their use of the software is because they provided video evidence that they're using it, so SE was able to verify that they were breaking TOS without having to infect anyone with spyware. Regardless of how you misinterpreted previous statements, there's a big difference between, "We're looking the other way, so go for it," and "We're not going to invade your privacy to verify that you're not doing it, but please don't do it anyway because it's not allowed."

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Originally Posted by Klytania

An officially supported damage meter should be added, there is no good argument against this.

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No. Players will find a way to use this to exclude others, even if it comes to the point of having to send screen shots of "private" parses via Discord to be let into the group.

Players will ALWAYS find a way to corrupt any system, no matter how well intentioned or seemingly harmless which eventually ends up in an arms race between devs and players. The only way to win that game is not to play.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

The FF 14 Dev team made our current housing system. I question their decisions constantly tbh.

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Not to mention the FF14 Dev Team made healers the way they are now, which is a constant head scratcher for me personally.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

No. Players will find a way to use this to exclude others, even if it comes to the point of having to send screen shots of "private" parses via Discord to be let into the group.

Players will ALWAYS find a way to corrupt any system, no matter how well intentioned or seemingly harmless which eventually ends up in an arms race between devs and players. The only way to win that game is not to play.

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So it sounds like there is no reason to limit it from players who want it for legitimate purposes then if people will ALWAYS find a way regardless, huh?

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

No need to worry about other players and their rotations. (Eventhough it's NOT the "rotations" that people are wanting meters for)

No.
Not in this game.
Again, not needed.

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"I have a group that I do savage with so this doesn't effect me"

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Semirhage

The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.

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"I need the power to stop you from doing something on your own computer, that slightly affects how you play the game. I need this power because if I don't have it, you *might* do something that would negatively impact me".

You -definitely- need to exert de jure control over me, because I *might* otherwise exert peer pressure over you.

That sounds like the lust of every authoritarian I've ever heard, babe.

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Originally Posted by Klytania

"I have a group that I do savage with so this doesn't effect me"

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If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed ;)

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed ;)

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I know

There are basically 2 camps of naysayers. People who are established with a static and don't care about anything outside of themselves, and people who still forget to use tank stance in level 90 content.