Why are summoners so neglected?

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Originally Posted by Rysir

We have the ability to heal our summon ourselves and since not every boss is Ser Adelphel placing 20 stacks of bleed they can survive well enough even before all the damage ignoring powers the egis got way back and it wont cause stress on a healer to throw out a regen and thats if they would even want to since we can just swiftcast summon.

Hell if the summon got more focus we could get a trait that reduces summon cost if the pet actually being relevant causes it to lose the damage resist as well as a new trait to buff sustain.

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MY point is, if they do the brunt of the damage, they should take damage too. So NIX the damage invuln they got, make them take damage just like the smn itself. make the player have to actively move the pet out of aoes while moving themselves out of aoes.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

MY point is, if they do the brunt of the damage, they should take damage too. So NIX the damage invuln they got, make them take damage just like the smn itself. make the player have to actively move the pet out of aoes while moving themselves out of aoes.

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The reason they did this was because it's impossible to move pet and themselves out of a 2 second hit box. The only other option would be an evade ability to push. But you bring up and interest point / idea. Let pets die and summon different ones while the old one is on cool down. Yoshi-P said he has no idea on how to add more pets, will there you go. Each summon has a __ cooldown timer so you have to pick another pet. Also the class is design for pet management without the pet management. While DoT's are doing damage the SMN should be casting pet abilities via 2.5 sec book writing commands rather than spamming ruin with Egi is on auto pilot.

P.S. /wave Babydoll. Good to see us ol' timers are still playing.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

MY point is, if they do the brunt of the damage, they should take damage too. So NIX the damage invuln they got, make them take damage just like the smn itself. make the player have to actively move the pet out of aoes while moving themselves out of aoes.

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Since summoner is not likely to get built from the ground up those DOTs and deathflare is not going away the summon is not likely to be the main point of damage unless 2 expansions dedicate all the job update focus on the pet so thats not something to worry about. Besides the summons do take damage, they just ignore super attacks from bosses while taking damage from everything else.

I don't know why you guys are taking it personally. SMNs can't summon things like that because obviously it was never planned to do so. And nobody ever said they will. Because XIV has its own SMN. And its the most popular job right now. Old news. Summoning Bahamut's power(or any Primal for that matter) is summoning. Just not your idea of summoning. You just don't like it. And won't let it go.

This is as bad as being mad that Dancer isn't coming.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I don't know why you guys are taking it personally. SMNs can't summon things like that because obviously it was never planned to do so. And nobody ever said they will. Because XIV has its own SMN. And its the most popular job right now. Old news. Summoning Bahamut's power(or any Primal for that matter) is summoning. Just not your idea of summoning. You just don't like it. And won't let it go.

This is as bad as being mad that Dancer isn't coming.

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That's like saying that warrior is a summoner because they're summoning the power of the inner beast.

The proper word for what we do is channeling.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

That's like saying that warrior is a summoner because they're summoning the power of the inner beast.

The proper word for what we do is channeling.

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Uh... No. The Inner Beast isn't an entity. Inner Beast is inner strength.

Summoning Bahamut's power to use is summoning. Because Bahamut is actually a thing. No different than Louisoix summoning the strength of Phoenix.

EDIT: Matter of fact, we are doing exactly what Louisoix did. We just aren't dead yet.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Uh... No. The Inner Beast isn't an entity. Inner Beast is inner strength.

Summoning Bahamut's power to use is summoning. Because Bahamut is actually a thing. No different than Louisoix summoning the strength of Phoenix.

EDIT: Matter of fact, we are doing exactly what Louisoix did. We just aren't dead yet.

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We attuned ourselves to bahamut's aether by going to the location scarred by him and tap into his aether by entering a trance by burning our aetherflows which is not summoning. Going super saiyan and using bahamuts akh morn is most definitely not calling in an entity to attack for us.

Our problem with the ninja attack is that ninja can conjure a very large creature to attack for them in a flashy manner before vanishing which is more classic summoner than our summoner who brings up a lower quality creature thats treated more as an auto attack and periodic buff. Its pretty salt inducing.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

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It IS summoning. In FFXIV. Maybe in X or XI it wouldn't but in XIV it is.

There are 4 ways to Summon in FFXIV that I can see:
-Calling forth the entity to battle(Dangerous to the environment)
---Beast tribes
---Gilgamesh summoning Enkidu
---Ultima Weapon summoning Garuda, Titan, and Ifrit
---Alexander summoning Cruise Chaser

-Summoning yourself into the Primal(Also dangerous)
---Ysayle transforming into Shiva
---Nael transforming into a Bahamut incarnation
---Louisoix transforming into Phoenix(In T12)
---Knights of the Round and Thordan

-Egi Summoning(Not dangerous to the environment)
---Us
---Tristan
---Arcanists

-Summoning the primal's energy to you AKA Trancing
---Us.
---Louisoix(I feel confident in saying what he did can be called Phoenix Trance and I want it)

The summoning everyone seems to want is Strategy #1. The most dangerous kind of summoning to FFXIV univere

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

It IS summoning. In FFXIV. Maybe in X or XI it wouldn't but in XIV it is.


The summoning everyone seems to want is Strategy #1. The most dangerous kind of summoning to FFXIV univere

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The summoning everyone wants is what ninja literally does which is not dangerous at all. Thus why people are upset.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

The summoning everyone wants is what ninja literally does which is not dangerous at all. Thus why people are upset.

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Yeah it is O.o. Remember going to Xelphatol to stop the Ixal from summoning Garuda? Garuda, who was only summoned for 5secs then poof? It was dangerous for the environment.