Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

The fact that you seriously think you're "doing two jobs" by making use of the skills that are given to you says all that needs to be said, really.

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come the revolution, brother!!

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

So, out of curiosity, does anyone, from either side of the healer DPS coin, have a direct quote from the Dev team indicating that you're either "only suppose to heal" or "you must use your DPS abilities". I ask because I don't recall the Dev's being so forthcoming about this information.

Any discussion regarding the dev's intent can easily be warped into a pro-DPS or anti-DPS way which leads me to believe the Dev's are happy leaving healer's with the choice or not of expanding past their own defined roles.

And in the case of a healer, your primary role is to mend:

https://i.imgur.com/NawXEHz.png

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The next few lines from MoM also states something along the lines of, "When no healing is needed, it can be useful to weave in offensive spells." The game never states that your job is to DPS, but it does encourage it.

The only thing the devs have stated to my recollection is that healer DPS is not factored into clears for any content in this game. From HoN to the hardest raid.

A healer can look at this statement two ways: 1. As long as I heal and cleanse, we will get the clear. Or 2. Every single offensive spell I cast helps the entire group as it is damage that is unaccounted for when the devs designed the instance.

Tl; Dr The game makes it clear that if you're capable of more, then at least try to do more.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

The fact that you seriously think you're "doing two jobs" by making use of the skills that are given to you says all that needs to be said, really.

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I see that point very clearly and also why you want it to remain, but do you understand that some only like to heal? That dpsing is 2 roles for some, me included. Can you also see the points some find it too hard or stressful, and it is not as easy as some find it. I wonder how many people on this game use all of their skills anyway, but its so easy to pick on the healer. This has already been said though, please dont pick on healers for only wanting to heal. Its how we enjoy ourselves and thats why we play. value the fact that healing is keeping people alive, and to others that think its easy to heal and its a lazy option you can always go healer yourselves

If the OP and many of the heal only defenders put as much effort into learning how to dps while they heal as they have defending their stance about not wanting to use more than half their skill sets on the forums there would be an army of over powered dpsing healers in this game.

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Originally Posted by imjustahealer

if more healers in FF say nope, im here to heal & only heal, then all this bs about doing 2 jobs would pass & i for one am more than happy to be a part of this revolution.

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It really wouldn't. There will always be competition for spaces, and willingly ignoring half your job will just make people more likely to kick as they know there are tons of people who will try as hard as they are. Having someone come out and pretty much admit "I'm going to press 3 or 4 buttons while you lot can put the effort in" would help get rid of the dead weight sharpish.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?

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Iirc, she was kicked for having extremely low dps for a sch. I don't remember which thread, but she came in one of those older "omg healers have to dps???" threads complaining about it. People looked at her parses on fflogs and I think the problem is that she doesn't really learn when damage comes, she just waits for people to take damage then heals them more than she needs to. On the few occasions where she did contribute to dps, she rarely used cleric stance, if at all.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Yes well done :) Admire you for that but it takes me a little longer to learn fights themselves. Once ive learned the fights its good. Muscle memory or whatever it is. Then to time dps, and think different is another set of skills. All needs practice. I havent found the community as tolerent as you say though, dont mean here, mean random groups. Not here to cry about it though , Its if Ive experienced it others have too. Btw I stick to what I said, dont like dps being forced on me but while its there Ill try. Would like option thats all

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I also run with randoms and have never gotten hate for not doing much DPS as I learn, but that could absolutely be a data center difference. The option to not DPS is there, it's just something that is not desired by most players, and player mentality is not something anyone will be able to change easily. SE leaves the option open for healers to DPS, and that's that. It's their content design that leads players to DPS during the large amounts of downtime in duties.

If they make the game more healing intensive, leading to less downtime, I wouldn't complain, as I would have to heal more to keep up. As it is now, though, I like challenging myself by adding in as much DPS as I can. Taking away cleric stance in duties without changing the amount of healing necessary would lead to outrage and boredom for many healers, so I really don't see this as an answer. I for one would probably stop healing in duties if this happened - just too much downtime.

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Originally Posted by Dsync

It really wouldn't. There will always be competition for spaces, and willingly ignoring half your job will just make people more likely to kick as they know there are tons of people who will try as hard as they are. Having someone come out and pretty much admit "I'm going to press 3 or 4 buttons while you lot can put the effort in" would help get rid of the dead weight sharpish.

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Oh yes this is a work I almost forgot that people come here to enjoy themselves. Dont you enjoy your play then? Is it a job, like in the real sense? So every moment your in an instance its like work to you? This isnt my work I come here to enjoy myself and even enjoy carrying people through content

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Oh yes this is a work I almost forgot that people come here to enjoy themselves. Dont you enjoy your play then? Is it a job, like in the real sense? So every moment your in an instance its like work to you? This isnt my work I come here to enjoy myself and even enjoy carrying people through content

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As I said, you're free to carry your lazy attitude. Just don't expect people to put up with it. They haven't already in your case. You have openly admitted that you don't want to try to put effort in because "it's not a real job".

I also love how you equate putting effort into something as being like real life work. Yep, when I put effort into standing up, man, that's just like the shit job I do.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.

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I am more a "never compromise" I will always vote no to Kick a healer if the sole reason is the healer not doing dmg
and when i play my healer, i will only do dmg when i see comfortable
until the day dev force us to do so
i dont mind ppl in DF asking healer to do dmg nicely
but if they want to kick a healer for not doing dmg, i will be the NO between them, and if i m the healer, they are more than welcome to find a replacement
but of coz, those high end raid would be another story