Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

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Envoyé par Keramory

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Hmm...
I asume that might be because Tanks still use damaging skills while holding the aggro so not as noticable as a Healer not using alot of damaging skills.

With the mindset that everything have to go as fast as possible puts more than necessary stress on everyone.
Keep that mindset for the Savage raids where perfomance is priority and let Dungeons be more casual friendly.

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Envoyé par Keramory

That's my point though. There is no thread about lazy DPS or tanks.

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Actually, you're quite wrong. The parser debate always boils down to "let us have a way to definitively call out bad dps" and "no calling out bad dps is toxic".

Yes I think we should have a parser and yes I think the whole party should be held to some standard of play in matchmaking.

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Envoyé par TheRealMadruck

Yet again, you may disagree.....but that is your opinion....nothing more. Game design is game design. DPSing as a Healer was designed to be Optional...nothing more or less even if you do disagree with the man who runs the game!

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You can't just refute people by saying "Nuh uh, the developer said so!" And ignore any points people try to make. The fact is that players are the ones in control of this issue you have, and bringing daddy into the conversation won't force anyone's hand.

And in one fell swoop Yoshi P singlehandedly proves he doesn't understand how the balance of his own game works.

If it's not mandatory to DPS then can we balance the game so that healing actually becomes something that requires full time management to counteract all the downtime they currently have?

Until that happens, lazy healers who spend 80% of a dungeon spamming emotes will continue to be vote kicked in my parties for difference in playstyle. Yoshi-P's opinion be damned.

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Envoyé par Tanston

After reading thru this thread the only conclusion I can draw is that the way healers are treated by this community is disgusting. Healing in MMOs was always a thankless job but now it's gone from a thankless job to a job that's looked down upon and in some cases treated with open hostility. I'm not sure how any healer can read this thread and not consider re-rolling to a different role.

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I guess, many people saying healers should deal damage roll healers themselves.

So i hope all the healer dont need to dps "people" know that different play stile styles are a good reason to kick as yoshi did say. So you dont dps i dont need you in.

Guys, guys...

The only question I'm caring about right now, is is it ok to tell a healer "You don't pay my sub" when you know for a fact they aren't DPSing during content?

Aka, is it still a valid reason to kick them from the group?

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Envoyé par Crysten

Until that happens, lazy healers who spend 80% of a dungeon spamming emotes will continue to be vote kicked in my parties for difference in playstyle. Yoshi-P's opinion be dawned.

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And people like me, will gladly click yes. If you initiate it before I do.

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Envoyé par LordTiberiusRex

Guys, guys...

The only question I'm caring about right now, is is it ok to tell a healer "You don't pay my sub" when you know for a fact they aren't DPSing during content?

Aka, is it still a valid reason to kick them from the group?

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It's valid to kick them if they don't contribute to the DPS. If the majority voted "yes", then yes. Difference of play-style, a valid, non-punishable reason to kick someone out. Negotiation is key "Hey, I appreciate your healing, but I don't need to be top'd off all the time. I also see you're not healing that often, meaning that you could help us with the DPS if you can?" No: KICK. Yes: You have saved a healer from the depths of the lazyness.

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Envoyé par Dualgunner

And to Evergrey, I respond in kind. I'm only playing extremes because it feels like you are. I'm not saying healers need to be performing at peak capacity (God knows df dps don't >.>; ) but any contribution when a heal is nice. ABC is a good rule of thumb no matter the role.

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I try to stay in a neutral zone.
I appreciate if Healers support with DPS when there's no healing needed.
But I won't rage at them if they don't.

And it might've been good from my part to say that I speak from the mindset of Dungeon running.
If we speak about Raids and Extremes I want everyone to do their best, even Healers helping out with DPS.
But that is content that demands more of everyone than a dungeon so it kinda speaks for itself.
Where dungeons are more casual friendly and less demanding.

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Envoyé par LordTiberiusRex

Guys, guys...

The only question I'm caring about right now, is is it ok to tell a healer "You don't pay my sub" when you know for a fact they aren't DPSing during content?

Aka, is it still a valid reason to kick them from the group?

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Is it a valid reason? Difference of playstyles covers this, yes. Would I initiate a kick? No. Would I vote yes if one was initiated? Maybe.