RIP Minion Collectors :(

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Well I could count now mmorpgs who have a competitive pvp modes with exclusive rewards but to reply you... Feast is still a competitive ranked pvp mode wich should be treated like this genre has nothing to do with it.

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Well it think it for how SE handles stuff in the game for the most part SE only does time exclusives or doesn't even do it at all for most the stuff in the game but then they totally flip and be like we going to put this super limited exclusive item but it only in pvp. Stuff from raids eventually everyone can get, the primals ponies had horrible drop rate and people took lot of time (in synced mode) to get those now they buffed the drop rate and can do unysnced, or be like making the fenrir mount from gold saucer super limited by saying well you have to get million mgp in 2 months otherwise it be gone forever. So it not people are mad that it PVP only it how SE is handling it.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

If you think about it, minion collectors are ready to buy anything to get the minion. A plush, a book, a mog digital minion etc... if you break their collection by putting something special and limited as this, they'll start giving up on being minion collectors, therefore lowering the sales of mogstation items, plushes, books, soundtracks etc...

I actually felt some kind of relief when this was going to be limited to the top 10, so I could stop this obsession on getting all the minions and mounts, but now I feel forced to continue! For the true endgame!

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I suspect this is the core of why there was outcry over the minion and not any of the other exclusive rewards honestly. And also why SE decided to change it: so collectors wouldn't lose motivation to keep buying merchandise to keep up.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

You realize everyone has to deal with the same thing right? And here we go with the newcomer bit..... your sense of entitlement is showing sir.

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It isn't entitlement to point out a flaw. Virtually every competitive FPS game has some form of rank depreciation specifically to prevent people from sitting. You keep clamouring on about skill, except it isn't necessarily skill determining who ranks within the top 100. People can and have spammed Feast the first week, then sit on their rank while others who didn't have the same amount of time to dedicate to it, have to catch up-- all the while losing their rank by virtue of playing more matches. Keep in mind, none of us can control the groups we'll get. Someone could simply get a string of bad groups and lose rank, yet people who are sitting on their rank have nothing to worry about. What you're advocating for is essentially "I got here first!" That's neither competitive nor skill oriented. It's the equivalent of cheering because you were first in line.

Well depending on how you will get the minion achievement later I believe that its a way better for the longevity of PVP than limiting it to the top 10 players. Would you truly want lots of collectors that are only in it for the minion in your team with no idea how to play PVP while you try to get on top? Now depending on what we have to do, the collectors can take their time and if they truly want the minion they will work towards the goal to achieve it. Thus making them take part in the PVP way longer than one season. Maybe they even start to like it because now they dont have to reach a certain place in a certain time while noticing on the way that they stand no chance (thus maybe even loosing all the will to PVP again).

I am quite sure that people would have been equally pissed if the Alex mount would have only gone to the first 10 people that got him beaten.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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Hahah alright dude. Your opinion is clear. I shall leave you with it. I dont know how hard it can be for you to understand a simple point, you dont have to try and counterattack me with everything youve got. Ill just leave you with your opinion ive expressed mine and how this case has affected the feast in a negative manner, proof is people actually quitting the feast beacuse of this. Im not talking about this affecting everyone negatively, im talking purely about the pvp community. For us, this announcement was bad news and it made people quit. Simple as that. You cant counterattack this fact with your personal opinions sorry mate.

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Originally Posted by Noutaja

You cant counterattack this fact with your personal opinions sorry mate.

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Have fun crying the next time they remove a reward from PvP, I guess.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Have fun crying the next time they remove a reward from PvP, I guess.

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You can poke at him all you want, but he's not arguing over what might or should happen. He's saying that bad things actually DID happen. Saying that they shouldn't happen doesn't reverse them.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

He's saying that bad things actually DID happen. Saying that they shouldn't happen doesn't reverse them.

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It's a player's prerogative if they decide that just because x is now available in another way, they should stop doing PvP and lose out on y and z, too. It also doesn't make sense and only gives them a disadvantage, and gives people who want the reward an advantage. It's just giving up, and it makes them look bad.

But if I hear someone say x being removed has caused so and so forth and they're all quitting PvP, that isn't an issue of SE attempting to appease those who do not want to do Feast. Feast, or rather PvP, is an acquired taste and not something everyone will want to do, so crying about it isn't doing much, let alone alleviate the issue at hand. It's not even removed, it's still there as a reward, it just means that those that didn't do it can also achieve it by grinding. There is also a difference between acquiring Savage gear and mounts after its prime, you can pay Gil to obtain them, while you can't pay Gil to get a limited PvP reward.

On the rewards themselves, I think both the minion and mount should be made available through playing PVP. Make it so you have to win x amount of matches or queue for x amount of roulettes. Basically, incentive playing actual PVP, not just being top tier. People will be far more willing to attempt it if they feel there's a chance at obtaining the rewards. By rewarding only the top placements, people who are otherwise hesitant to PVP see the task as too daunting. "I'll never rank in the top 100. So why bother?" It's these people you need to incentive, not the existing PVPers.

So basically top players will never get good rewards because people will whine that they can't have what others have. Instead we'll just go back to being capped on wolf marks 24/7 because we own all the pvp gear that requires zero skill to acquire.