#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Arwing

I like Warriors as they are. Honestly, the current tank balance feels great to me. I'm not a tank main, but it's amazing to be able to cheese old EX and Savage content as a duo warrior and the Normals of the last expac. Warrior was a superstar in Eureka back in Stormblood for its ability to grind solo. I was always jealous because I hadn't leveled my Warrior high enough to use it, but I got my grind done despite.

Every job in this game has its own charm and allure. I love playing them all and I love Final Fantasy 14.

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Certain jobs being invincible even in current content, especially Eureka which was difficult when current, is not charming.

And no, a tiny % of bad WAR don't justify the imbalance either.

BLM recently had changes that no one asked for and will lead to other people quitting it. New players will absolutely struggle with it due to missing Umbral Soul until lvl 76. That's just how the game is. The devs wanted to balance the class by eliminating non standard rotations. Not every change is going to be good for every player. You claim to be sympathetic because you help a disabled player and i respect that l, but I think you're being a little self righteous and just want things to stay the same because that's how they've been. Nothing in the game has ever been safe due to that except the main cast.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Pushing other players to unsubscribe when they are unhappy with part of the game is weird and creepy. And claiming healers aren't serious when they refuse to unsub is transparently manipulative. People do not need your "help" to decide when they are still hopeful and when they give up and decide to move on from FF.

The time and effort people spend on the strike make it clear many healers think the game is worth fighting for and they still have hope for improvements. The number of healers speaking up in response to the strike should be celebrated, not whatever you're trying to do.

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Giving a developer money while actively campaigning against their design decisions with no plan if nothing changes come next expac makes this whole seem performative. Its why gamer strikes are considered memes.

I agree with the message and the healer feedback, but not the methodology. Sub if you want, unsub if you want - but going on a full crusade like this while having no "line in the sand" only shows the non-committal nature of it all. We have seen it other MMOs, we'll see it again - I hope I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Certain jobs being invincible even in current content, especially Eureka which was difficult when current, is not charming.

And no, a tiny % of bad WAR don't justify the imbalance either.

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I think that was the point, though. They wanted there to be a job or two that stood a head above the others. Sure, it annoyed me when one Warrior smirked at me at the start of a dungeon, saying, "I don't need you." Despite having faced that kind of smugness and been pissed off by it, I still would defend keeping Warriors as they are. Speaking of which, Dark Knights need a bit more love. They're too squishy. Square needs to put them nearly on par with Warriors.

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Originally Posted by Arwing

I think that was the point, though. They wanted there to be a job or two that stood a head above the others. Sure, it annoyed me when one Warrior smirked at me at the start of a dungeon, saying, "I don't need you." Despite having faced that kind of smugness and been pissed off by it, I still would defend keeping Warriors as they are. Speaking of which, Dark Knights need a bit more love. They're too squishy. Square needs to put them nearly on par with Warriors.

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Unless SE comes out and acknowledges that directly, I'll continue to campaign against it. Because it's not all roses and sunshine as you are describing. Any one job that can solo group desgined content easily is a problem, for both player experience generally and roles whose job it is to heal.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Certain jobs being invincible even in current content, especially Eureka which was difficult when current, is not charming.

And no, a tiny % of bad WAR don't justify the imbalance either.

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Sure it is, you just don't like it. You're in the minority there. You can moan and complain all you want, it's not gonna change the fact that it's really just you and like 6 other people here who have a problem with warrior.

And I'd argue if we're talking about a "tiny % of bad WARs" then we also need to talk about the "tiny % of bad healers" that aren't actually just a tiny %. I see so many healers just not using their buttons at all. In the event that I do queue for roulettes as a dps, I watch the tank single pull and the healer spam cure/physick/benefic (but not diagnosis because most sages I see are actually decent). So then I'm sitting there as a dps thinking "man, this could've gone so much faster if I just played a tank."

So once again (not speaking directly to you, just in general), instead of going after tank sustain because it's this big bad bogeyman, instead of going after dps sustain like it's the bane of a healer's existence, how about we go after the actual battle system first?

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Giving a developer money while actively campaigning against their design decisions with no plan if nothing changes come next expac makes this whole seem performative. Its why gamer strikes are considered memes.

I agree with the message and the healer feedback, but not the methodology. Sub if you want, unsub if you want - but going on a full crusade like this while having no "line in the sand" only shows the non-committal nature of it all. We have seen it other MMOs, we'll see it again - I hope I am wrong.

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While I wouldn't consider myself a fan, the bogeyman of general gaming internet himself, Asmongold, has a line that rings pretty true. "Every gaming strike is just one good cinematic away from ending." I highly doubt this movement's going to go anywhere come Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Arwing

healer elites x20

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A few pages back we were told the complaints weren't elite enough. Now they are to elite. That is a good sign, the manifesto seems to be hitting a good average level.

And regarding your worries that healers are trying to turn everything into savage difficulty, I feel like you're jumping to conclusions a bit. For specificly the easiest group content (so stuff at arround the difficulty of dungeons), the goal is to make healers an important part of any team again. So not only for people who happen to play with a friend that will always need a healer. But there isn't a general agreement how to reach that goal. There are people who do argue for a significant increase in difficulty, but that isn't the only option and not a reason to a disagree with goal itself.

The other option is to consider why healers are often not needed in the current difficulty of dungeons. And you can easily trace that back to a few tank jobs that received far to many healing abilities. Reeling those in a bit will go a long way to make healers an equaly important part of teams again. I assume your learning disabled friend is not playing a tank, so that will not affect them much. You would need to throw some more heals towards the tanks now and then and actually heal the team after an AoE, but you need to do that already if you get a tank with lesser heals like a DRK.

I firmly believe there is a way to balance FF in a way that there can be easier content for people who prefer that, and very difficult content for people who prefer that, while making every role an important part of the team everywhere.

And regarding increasing complexity for in damage rotations. Healers will always keep a basic damage option they can fall back on, that is a requirement for situations when they need to mostly focus on healing. And that basic option is going to be enough for easier content. If healers get 1 or 2 more damage buttons (already happening in DT btw, completely unrelated to the strike, so hope that works out for you) in easier content you are not required to use those extra buttons. A team will still get through a dungeon if all you do is constantly spam medica.

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Originally Posted by Kazmarek

Sure it is, you just don't like it. You're in the minority there. You can moan and complain all you want, it's not gonna change the fact that it's really just you and like 6 other people here who have a problem with warrior.

And I'd argue if we're talking about a "tiny % of bad WARs" then we also need to talk about the "tiny % of bad healers" that aren't actually just a tiny %. I see so many healers just not using their buttons at all. In the event that I do queue for roulettes as a dps, I watch the tank single pull and the healer spam cure/physick/benefic (but not diagnosis because most sages I see are actually decent). So then I'm sitting there as a dps thinking "man, this could've gone so much faster if I just played a tank."

So once again (not speaking directly to you, just in general), instead of going after tank sustain because it's this big bad bogeyman, instead of going after dps sustain like it's the bane of a healer's existence, how about we go after the actual battle system first?

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Mostly for practical reasons. I'm not sure what you mean by "go after the battle system", and I suspect whatever it is will not be feasible.

Not wasting a post on your reply as I suspect you already know the "just add incoming damage" or "just add healing checks" has already been addressed ITT and those aren't really feasible solutions, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

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Mostly for practical reasons. I'm not sure what you mean by "go after the battle system", and I suspect whatever it is will not be feasible.

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Neat, writing it off before hearing anything about it. Typical healer.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Unless SE comes out and acknowledges that directly, I'll continue to campaign against it. Because it's not all roses and sunshine as you are describing. Any one job that can solo group desgined content easily is a problem, for both player experience generally and roles whose job it is to heal.

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Try leveling up your Warrior and soloing old content with it, unsynced, and see if you change your tune in the end. It's quite fun. I do that with a friend of mine, though I haven't tried soloing as I've prompted. Duoing is enough for me. Because Warrior exists, it's possible to clear some content like the Aquaducts with a lighter party: one tank, one healer, a DPS to expedite. This works well for people who play with a couple of friends like me instead of using Party Finder to make a large party.