Bard - they broke my job

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Originally Posted by Teiren

Now your DPS can be the same as casters because of also casting like them.

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You know nothing about the class, please leave.
BRDs DPS is on the same level as Tanks, and WM is not a huge dps boost. It's even a loss of dps, unless you hit a dummy with 0% movement, but even then i'm not sure if it's actally a gain.

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Originally Posted by Teiren

Now your DPS can be the same as casters because of also casting like them. Is there some other problem I'm missing?

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I take it you haven't read this board much? The short version: Wanderer's Minuet is parsing as a DPS loss when you factor in cast times and the loss of auto-attacks. So it is not tuned correctly, at all. To say nothing of completely changing a job's core play style after 2 years of "training" for no real reason other than to mirror that of a new (also broken) Job.

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Originally Posted by Viar

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Denying us Barrage'd EA, if the casting timer is removed from EA? Why on earth would you think removing the casting timer would deny us a Barrage'd EA?

IJ: With the casting timer on IJ, and the addition of GCD afterwards, you really aren't saving anything at all, especially if you add in latency. The Casting timer + GCD ends up being ~ the same if you just use the two abilities (VB+WB) with WM turned off. The benefit of my suggestions means when you have WM turned on, IJ is an actual net gain in GCD usage.

RoD shared casting timer: The point is also very simple: It allows the "archer-ish" mobility we are used to without WM (helping our mobility), and still fits with the theme of "Bard-mage" EA seems to want us to be under WM.

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Originally Posted by yamochan

first of just count the ticks. it ticks 5 times at the start and 6 times after he switched into his speed equip so yes it works it may not be all to much but it seems to work
hmm but now here is the thing normaly skill speed should not affect the tick rate it should be as u guys said and increase the dmg. now thats a mistery for me at least.

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Pretty sure that's due to how the server deals with DoT (sucks the server does it as it is) ticks than the SkS. Much like how sometimes when we apply DoT's we're already at 17 seconds instead of 18 because the server processed a tick.

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Originally Posted by Nanga

Why on earth would you think removing the casting timer would deny us a Barrage'd EA?

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Because the easiest way to deal with cast time is making EA an ability.

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IJ: With the casting timer on IJ, and the addition of GCD afterwards, you really aren't saving anything at all, especially if you add in latency. The Casting timer + GCD ends up being ~ the same if you just use the two abilities (VB+WB) with WM turned off. The benefit of my suggestions means when you have WM turned on, IJ is an actual net gain in GCD usage.

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Huh. By making even more off-GCD abilities, you don't mitigate the problem. You make it even more of a problem with the need to juggle Blunt Arrow, BL and Repelling Shot. I have 200 latency, and I do save time with IJ.

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RoD shared casting timer: The point is also very simple: It allows the "archer-ish" mobility we are used to without WM (helping our mobility), and still fits with the theme of "Bard-mage" EA seems to want us to be under WM.

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Have to agree to disagree. A pacification bug aside, it's a huge damage boost in both stances to get an AoE procs every other GCD.

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Originally Posted by Panasync

apparently SkS isn't even working (more of a general issue tbh, rather than bard focused), either that or the number needed is fucking huge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NA1wX1GgPM

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He got an extra tick off Windbite after equipping the skill speed accessories - I would say that's working.

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Originally Posted by stuscott

He got an extra tick off Windbite after equipping the skill speed accessories - I would say that's working.

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That's just based on server ticks.
Also Skillspeed was never made to give more dot ticks, it was made to increase dot damage in 3.0 so it would be pretty weird if it suddenly gave more ticks.

(Server ticks are also the reason why we bards never let our dots fall off)

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Originally Posted by stuscott

He got an extra tick off Windbite after equipping the skill speed accessories - I would say that's working.

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I replied a couple posts above your very post, as well as Snowaeth's response below.

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Originally Posted by Panasync

Pretty sure that's due to how the server deals with DoT (sucks the server does it as it is) ticks than the SkS. Much like how sometimes when we apply DoT's we're already at 17 seconds instead of 18 because the server processed a tick.

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Originally Posted by Snowaeth

That's just based on server ticks.
Also Skillspeed was never made to give more dot ticks, it was made to increase dot damage in 3.0 so it would be pretty weird if it suddenly gave more ticks.

(Server ticks are also the reason why we bards never let our dots fall off)

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ah thx pana for the update didnt rly know that happens from the server side...
well then back to the elephant in the room, makes one wonder who desinged the bard for heavensward to make such mistakes well another hotfix is incoming. ill try testing speed thing today once the server get back in action maybe its already fixed.

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Originally Posted by yamochan

ah thx pana for the update didnt rly know that happens from the server side...
well then back to the elephant in the room, makes one wonder who desinged the bard for heavensward to make such mistakes well another hotfix is incoming. ill try testing speed thing today once the server get back in action maybe its already fixed.

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It worked even prior to todays hotfix patch, but the gains are extremely minimal.