Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by Akivar

I hate to break it to you discord people. But the content doesn't belong to just you. The content belongs to anyway that pays for the game and pays a subscription. They pay for access to this ride. If you do not like them attempt to ride it, that's on you.
If you dare ever try to harass me for trying to enjoy the content I pay for, I'll report you and hopefully nobody will never have to deal with you ever again.
Discord servers don't own any part of content. It would be like a discord server trying to our the roulette system. Imagine if you got into an alliance raid and a group was all like "hey you can't be here unless you join our discord.". Not one person here would be ok with that. Well Forked tower is basically a roulette to enter. Whoever gets in DESERVES to be there because they were chosen by the entry system. It is not YOUR content, it is everyone that was chosen to enter.
So get over yourselves. You are the ones breaking TOS.

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So much from passion from someone who hasn't cleared anything lol

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Originally Posted by Akivar

Are you saying a third party program should be required to complete this game? If so, what's the difference between that and mods? You are using outside tools to better coordinate. Sounds like you are one step from saying mods should be required to play content. You can do whatever you want in your static content. You can invite and remove anyone you want from your private parties. This is public content, you get no say. Sorry but that was what Square has intended, if you do not like it, yell at Square or don't do it. Violating terms of service by harassing other players and refusing to rez them is not okay. If you did that in roulettes you would be reported. This content is public content just like roulettes. Follow the rules.

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“Do you think third party programs should be required to complete this”

IDK, ask square. They are the ones who made content that functionally requires discord to make any meaningful progress. You are just arguing from a flawed base here because the discords aren’t preventing public pugging. They are making the content possible for anyone to clear

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

“Do you think third party programs should be required to complete this”

IDK, ask square. They are the ones who made content that functionally requires discord to make any meaningful progress. You are just arguing from a flawed base here because the discords aren’t preventing public pugging. They are making the content possible for anyone to clear

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Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

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On an average peak hour day there can be up to 15 OC instances open at the same time, more if you count other DC’s

Even the most prolific discords rarely run more than maybe 5 runs concurrently

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

On an average peak hour day there can be up to 15 OC instances open at the same time, more if you count other DC’s

Even the most prolific discords rarely run more than maybe 5 runs concurrently

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Wow. Didn't occur to me there were so many people engaging with it. Oh well, that'll keep SE happy to the point they'll likely do it all again in 8.X.

Also might explain why FL queues have gotten so long on Aether.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

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Most of the time, you're not likely to see discord runs in an instance you're in. And it's likely only going to be at peak hours.

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I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

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That could be possible for sure. I've been in FCs that have done complete Alliance Raid runs on release as an FC, for example. But then of course we circle back to how most FCs have a discord server and then suddenly it's a villain too.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Most of the time, you're not likely to see discord runs in an instance you're in. And it's likely only going to be at peak hours.
That could be possible for sure. I've been in FCs that have done complete Alliance Raid runs on release as an FC, for example. But then of course we circle back to how most FCs have a discord server and then suddenly it's a villain too.

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I think that primarily illustrates the inadequacies of in-game comm options.

We should blame square enix for this because they are the ones that came up with the awful entry conditions for forked combined with the level of difficulty that makes blind pugging with randoms impossible

I’m not sure how that connects to “hardcore people treat casuals like pariahs so we should treat them like pariahs”

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

This is super disappointing to hear, given I thought you were one of the "good" hardcore players out there that didn't treat casuals like lepers you wanted to expunge from content (if not the whole game), and then you literally engage in willfully exclusionary behavior. "Just so you know, we don't want you here and will happily leave you for dead." *Acts shocked when the people they glowered at and threatened don't want to talk to them further.*

I also can't get over how hardcore players keep doing the "We should blame Square-Enix for this!" And then proceed to come up with excuses to blame casuals anyway (still love how you all think it was casuals that caused all the job changes and not all the boss DDR), while creating methods to punish casuals for existing in the meantime.

At this point its justified why more casuals don't want to "git gud" if it means playing with people like YOU in the future, and the only regret is that the wall isn't higher in certain places so casuals can avoid hardcore players entirely even in normal content, because if hardcore players are going to insist on there being a divide, it seems only right that hardcore players should be shunned out of casual spaces and treated like pariahs as well, and then you can run off and "blame Square-Enix" for the environment you helped to create and then fostered with your own attitude and actions.

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The thread, OP, and the person you quoted made no mention or implication regarding a "casual vs hardcore" mentality. This is just trying to cause a divide where its irrelevant, if it even exists.

Also the person you quoted did not say anything hostile whatsoever, and simply explained the issue that OP refused to communicate in a scenario where communication is essential, and as a result caused their own deaths.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m not sure how that connects to “hardcore people treat casuals like pariahs so we should treat them like pariahs”

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Some people will see an opportunity to absolutely hate on those they dislike using any amount of justification they can. SE making the content the way they have sadly opened up this avenue for members of the community to draw knives and start stabbing at each other like this was the opportunity they've been waiting for. Not all, of course, but some. OP started this thread with some shady accusations, one of the people who were there came in to refute it and some people just looked at it and went "nah, you're awful" and threw out the rebuttal without even reading it properly or in good faith like the post above yours.