Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

If you don't want to play properly in a party of random players you need to make your own private groups where you can do anything you like. Period.

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Me? Me not playing properly? Uh huh.. What about them? Why should the rest of the party be punished, because someone can't be bothered to learn mechanics, or their own rotation? Wearing proper gear, or using cds? Maybe they should make their own private "learning" groups, and then learn how to play properly.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Me? Me not playing properly? Uh huh, uh huh... What about them? Why should the rest of the party be punished, because someone can't be bothered to learn mechanics, or their own rotation? Wearing proper gear, or using cds? Maybe they should make their own private "learning" groups, and then learn how to play properly.

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That may be your opinion, but I can guarantee you if you continue to only heal and raise others when you think they deserve it, you will likely experience this issue again. Surprised you haven't before.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

That may be your opinion, but I can guarantee you if you continue to only heal and raise others when you think they deserve it, you will likely experience this issue again. Surprised you haven't before.

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That's because I heal players regardless. People here are the ones saying I don't heal, and withhold raises. Not me. I never said any of that. I said I don't hardcast raise, unless required - usually on major roles such as the other healer, tank, dps who can raise, and prefer to focus on dps uptime while juggling heals - which a large portion of them are oGCDs. I said I cast cure 2, if I run out of everything else. I am being attacked for something that isn't even true.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The result is zero to none. I am uncompromising in my innocence.

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Ok, the warning was a mistake then.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

People seem to have these preconceived notions of how I "should" be playing the game, so they automatically assume I am guilty - which I find amusing.

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Errrr, ok I guess? I don't care though, what preconceived notions people have were not part of the analytic approach I suggested, neither what they assume nor what you find amusing...

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The ToS extends protections for a player's enjoyment, yet my own enjoyment matters little. Maybe I will just start playing my RDM more often again, because, apparently, as a healer, I am supposed to heal badly, and coddle players.. Oh wait! As an RDM, players (healers included) will demand I raise half the group when they die! Shouldn't the healer be hardcast raising those who die instead? You can't win!

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Wait, didn't you just say that "The result is zero to none"? Was it not then? I guess it wasn't. It seems to me that you actually know perfectly well where your behaviour clashes with the TOS, you just can't get over it.

Look, don't get mad at me, I was genuinely trying to help you, still trying actually, nothing else. I have no ill feeling about you nor anybody else here. It's just that, when reality hits, and sometimes it hits very hard, the best you can do is take note, learn from it and move on. Rationalizing or venting only helps to get more anxious and frustrated. You say that you don't know why you got a warning but at the same time it seems that you know very well that the way you behave in group content as a healer is what got you warned. You don't have to like it, I am sure you don't, but you can't bend reality to your liking, it just is what it is. No amount of rationalizing or venting is going to change anything. You can use the experience to learn from it or not, again, your call.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That's because I heal players regardless. People here are the ones saying I don't heal, and withhold raises. Not me. I never said any of that. I said I don't hardcast raise, unless required - usually on major roles such as the other healer, tank, dps who can raise, and prefer to focus on dps uptime while juggling heals - which a large portion of them are oGCDs. I said I cast cure 2, if I run out of everything else. I am being attacked for something that isn't even true.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, I think how I play healer could also be a general issue with players. They see me casting glare constantly and whine about it. They should have never died in the first place. It is not my place to sit here and babysit bad players. If they die it's their fault. If my swiftcast is up, I will raise immediately, if it is not up I will wait until it is to raise. I will not hardcast raise unless it is absolutely necessary, such as raising a tank, or the other healer, perhaps an RDM or something. Aside from that, I will instead glare.

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Heal players regardless indeed.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I honestly don't have a specific number, it really depends strictly upon the context. I also ask myself how I would feel, i can remember my first DR run (OI) and am eternally grateful to the very classy people who raised me without complaint. I can only assume that they could see that I really was doing my best.

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I think that's a good way to look at it. Generally you can tell who is actually trying and who isn't. You would think if someone was putting zero effort in and wanted a free ride, they'd like being dead on the ground so they don't have to do anything.
If people are complaining about no raises, it probably means they are frustrated at not getting to participate.

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Originally Posted by Denji

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this person is speaking true facts

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

No. You want to know what the real issue is? People who pretend to be a good person.

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Hmm
people who pretend to be a good person is an issue, but that isn't a good excuse to be able to take some time out and evaluate our behaviour good person, inbetween person, or bad person
whether we did something bad or not and get blamed for it how we handle our reaction to that and the emotions connected to it is the most important event to processing events that are mentally impactful to us
so please, take some time to process even if you weren't in the wrong

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Originally Posted by Senn

I think that's a good way to look at it. Generally you can tell who is actually trying and who isn't. You would think if someone was putting zero effort in and wanted a free ride, they'd like being dead on the ground so they don't have to do anything.
If people are complaining about no raises, it probably means they are frustrated at not getting to participate.

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Reminds me of a time when I as healing.
My rule is look this is DF, I'm not over here trying to optimize (as a sch of all things anyway ; _ ; ), idc if swiftcast is up or not if someone dies they gonna get raised as soon as I can safely do so.

6/8 of our party is dead and the other healer be over there trying to grind out glare as if his life depended on it.
The moment I tell him to help raise he literally says he's waiting for swiftcast and to mind my own business.
It is literally me and him alive and he wants to wait 60s to raise someone. You could raise 6 people in less than 60s

even events like this I have to emotionally process

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Reminds me of a time when I as healing.
My rule is look this is DF, I'm not over here trying to optimize (as a sch of all things anyway ; _ ; ), idc if swiftcast is up or not if someone dies they gonna get raised as soon as I can safely do so.

6/8 of our party is dead and the other healer be over there trying to grind out glare as if his life depended on it.
The moment I tell him to help raise he literally says he's waiting for swiftcast and to mind my own business.
It is literally me and him alive and he wants to wait 60s to raise someone. You could raise 6 people in less than 60s

even events like this I have to emotionally process

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were you partying with OP by any chance?
lol but yeah, that sounds pretty bad. It's good of you to raise when you are able to for reasons already discussed (new/returning player, trying out new job, or just being really unlucky that day. people make mistakes)
I can't imagine waiting for a 1 minute cd to raise 6 other people.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Reminds me of a time when I as healing.
My rule is look this is DF, I'm not over here trying to optimize (as a sch of all things anyway ; _ ; ), idc if swiftcast is up or not if someone dies they gonna get raised as soon as I can safely do so.

6/8 of our party is dead and the other healer be over there trying to grind out glare as if his life depended on it.
The moment I tell him to help raise he literally says he's waiting for swiftcast and to mind my own business.
It is literally me and him alive and he wants to wait 60s to raise someone. You could raise 6 people in less than 60s

even events like this I have to emotionally process

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When I was new to the game I was a summoner. Yes I had the raise spell but I had totally forgotten I had it. Being a DPS and mostly solo player I had never really needed to use it UNTIL one day in a MSQ dungeon things went south and I had people screaming for me to raise the healer. My first thought was "I am a DPS I dont have a raise" then I remembered raised the healer and ate some humble pie for being an idiot. LOL

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Originally Posted by Senn

were you partying with OP by any chance?
lol but yeah, that sounds pretty bad. It's good of you to raise when you are able to for reasons already discussed (new/returning player, trying out new job, or just being really unlucky that day. people make mistakes)
I can't imagine waiting for a 1 minute cd to raise 6 other people.

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i feel like its actually quite a common behaviour that I see in PF/DF, and usually by those sporting that crown
it can feel embarassing when someone is left dead on the floor and a healer purposely doesn't raise them - it can feel like a powerplay and in other situations that might be spicey but i'm not over here trying to solo the floor and i won't let other ppl solo the floor xD

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Originally Posted by Myrany

When I was new to the game I was a summoner. Yes I had the raise spell but I had totally forgotten I had it. Being a DPS and mostly solo player I had never really needed to use it UNTIL one day in a MSQ dungeon things went south and I had people screaming for me to raise the healer. My first thought was "I am a DPS I dont have a raise" then I remembered raised the healer and ate some humble pie for being an idiot. LOL

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Understandable, esp as a sprout
even I have days i forget Im a healer/rdm and people die off and i just pikachu