Best Gear in Coil needs to end

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Is there an echo in here? You have to try harder than just mirroring my posts.

I think the real crux of the matter here is that I somehow insulted your skill and *amazing* items. Why don't you just admit that and we can move on?

You're trying to save face simply by the fact that you keep replying to me. When it's been established for quite some time that you're in the wrong trying to frame me as someone who actually cares about access to i110 outside of coil. I really don't, and you're just wasting time. It's actually counterproductive to your cause. Your tenacity in trying to argue yourself out of a fallacy is quite remarkable though, so much so that I almost don't pity you. One thing is for sure though, if you behave at all like this in game, I can totally understand how you went through a bunch of coil statics.

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I only went through one static and I can see now you're not interested in actually countering my arguments anymore. You made no attempt at all. Only mentioning the parts I mirrored for amusement. It really never was about what you were saying specifically. I just wanted to expose you for what you really are: a person butthurt over the fact you can't down content, and that's really all this thread is about; a place for all the unskilled players to complain.
I really wish you had something more than that at this point but looks like you're just babbling on now. Well you put up a pretty good fight till now. Maybe we'll meet again in another thread.
At least I was able to put together a funny imgur album for my friends to look at when they're taking a dump or something.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

If I didn't see you were wearing coil earrings I would say you must be too bad to do coil with that anti elitist attitude. Color me surprised.

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That's my whole point. I'm part of the group that was in top 5 of downing T9, but that doesn't make me any better than anyone else playing this game. Are there bard's better than me? Absolutely, and I'll be the first to admit it. Do I think the best gear HAS to be from Coil? That's debatable. If you want to have vanity items, mounts, etc. to display your accomplishments, then go for it. Maybe a good compromise is to have something only awarded when you down the content before it's nerfed. That way, you can still stand out, but there are paths to getting the equivalent gear.

You say this.

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Originally Posted by Doson

I only went through one static

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Yet you also say this?

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Originally Posted by Doson

I had to work my way up the statics still i got to the group i'm in.

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Which one is the correct version of the "truth"? You're bending everything else to suit yourself so why should we trust you on that?

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I just wanted to expose you for what you really are: a person butthurt over the fact you can't down content

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Well done wasting dozens of posts "exposing" something that's categorically incorrect. Really, well done indeed. *golf clap*. I wish I could be as amazing at exposing things as you.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

IFor me it was kind of a slap in the face that i did coil1 all those months and yet I had an ilevel equal to people not doing coil.

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You could just as easily say that it's a slap in the face that your casual scrub doesn't have access to the same ilevel gear you do when they pay the same monthly subscription fee.

Now I can understand arguments as far as general motivations to do specific content (and continue to do it after it's down) if you can gear up too quickly and easily outside of doing hard content. However, I think the reverse gear envy is misplaced.

Why exactly do you care if a non raider can get access to the same i90 gear? How does it diminish what you've done? You can easily tell those who myth farmed their gear because they're not wearing a single piece of allagan gear. So anyone that looks at your gear and their gear can tell the difference. Because they haven't *worked* hard enough for it? This is entertainment you pay for, not work you do in order to get paid.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

Gear won't help you with mechanics.

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Oh, every fight isn't pure mechanics. Sure, extra gear won't move you out of titan's landslide, but better gear can help in every other aspect of the fight. It won't win the fight for you, but it does lower the bar a little bit, and for some people, that's all they need.

when you say things like:

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

You mean they were bad? Of course they were; most statics are bad. I had to work my way up the statics still i got to the group i'm in. I went from a static that got stuck on turn 9 to a static that got world 10th on turn 9. You have to work hard to make a name for yourself. I've become a very hated player on my server which landed me a spot in a good static.

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it makes this:

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

I'm extremely elitist and pretty much the worst sort of person with a very unappealing personality...

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seem less sarcastic

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Originally Posted by Menriq

That's my whole point. I'm part of the group that was in top 5 of downing T9, but that doesn't make me any better than anyone else playing this game.

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Just a minor nitpick, and I'm sure it only adds to your point, but your group was in the first 5 claimed. There was at least one jp group that cleared a week before you on Alexander server.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LVSu_qUr_hw

There was also another one that cleared the same day as you on Bahamut. There also groups that simply stick to server progression like our own group, it's why going around parading your kill is so asinine because beyond world first you really don't know how many bigger fish are out there. Until they do stuff to make tracking kills a exact science it's hard to take global rankings seriously beyond the first, so getting a big head about it like doson here just makes feel like a parody of serious wow raiders.

I'm sure doson's posts are just an exercise in hyperbole though in response to the anti-raiding crowd; If he followed progression he would of known of your group. Raiders being privileged with gear is sort of a given with any game that put serious effort into raids, I don't understand how it is controversial here.

better gear almost always helps. as your gear improves you will find mistakes happen less and less often because tanks are harder to kill, healers top people off faster, and the boss dies faster so there is less time to make mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

...better gear can help in every other aspect of the fight. It won't win the fight for you, but it does lower the bar a little bit, and for some people, that's all they need.

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Exactly my point.

DPS checks phases are now less stressful.
Tanks increase in mitigation and efficient HP to the point they can even single tank the fight (Ex: Turn 5).
Healers having so much gear they can solo heal the fight.

Coil gear isn't there to help clear coil it's meant to make gear requirements more manageable and the overall management of the fights less stressful so it being accessible outside of coil is in no way a negative thing. Since those that down turn 9 aren't gonna suddenly be replaced by those that go farm the gear outside of coil to do coil. If anything they'll have competition with Turn 6-8 clears after the 1st or 2nd week since lets be honest those early turns sure do mean something when it comes to bragging rights.

Let's see:

Turn 6

Gear here won't really help you. The only thing it COULD do is decreasing the time of Phase 2 so you only have to deal with 1 round of bees instead of 2. However if you can deal with 1 round, you can do 2 as well. The damage overall in this fight is low so 200 Tank HP or 100 more HP per cure won't make or break you here. If you cant beat it now 110 gear won't solve the problem for you.

Turn 7

You could be in item level 150 Gear here and still die if your communication lacks. This fight is so far from a gear check as it could be and puts all its weight into mechanics and group coordination. If you cannot work as a team you will not pass this. 110 nor not.

Turn 8

You might say oooooh but T8 is a Gear Check! Yes it is but if you manage to get here you have the means to beat it anyways. Turn 8 is a pushover compared to the things you face before.

it will definitely help you in t6. the burn strategy is much easier than feed but it's only possible with good dps which comes directly from better gear.

even something like killing the adds faster on t7 makes the fight easier. gear always helps.