I guess it's time

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

[...] I have to meet quota's for the week otherwise ill fall behind.

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Uhm...why do people always say this as if it was something to be afraid of?

What terrible things happen if you fall behind a little? Is your static going to kick you? Will your FC give you the boot? Will dungeon groups vote dismiss you for having i223 instead of i235?

I mean, sure, it would be nice if caps could be stacked similar to leve allowances, because activity can be rather erratic. But missing a cap really doesn't matter outside of bleeding edge progression.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Uhm...why do people always say this as if it was something to be afraid of?

What terrible things happen if you fall behind a little? Is your static going to kick you? Will your FC give you the boot? Will dungeon groups vote dismiss you for having i223 instead of i235?

I mean, sure, it would be nice if caps could be stacked similar to leve allowances, because activity can be rather erratic. But missing a cap really doesn't matter outside of bleeding edge progression.

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Most statics that are capable of succeeding would indeed remove someone who continuously falls behind because 1 person shouldnt hold back an entire team. Not saying I support that thought process but it is indeed something very real. it also locks you out of doing content using the PF when most will set it to what is currently considered realistic in terms of gear progression rather than the minimum for the duty as recommended.

I read the OP's post on page 1, but none of the 100 pages of replies. I just want to say as a long time player I fully understand where he is coming from. I routinely leave the game for 2 or 3 months at the time and come back for a while, only to fade away again. The problem is they continue to recycle the same content formula over and over. It feels like im doing the same thing today as I did when ARR launched. You run dungeons to get currency to buy gear to run raids to get currency to buy gear. The 24 man raid content is the same thing today as it was with crystal tower. These new raids are fun the first several times you run them, and then its all the same again. Everything revolves around a weekly reset of some kind, so you constantly feel like youre checking off a list of chores to complete. There is no fun or meaningful over world content, there is no content to do that is just pure fun, but not mindlessly repetitive. Give me a reason to go use my flying mount in the many zones. Why do I feel so detached from the world? Why do I feel like I can accomplish nearly everything from my housing district? There is no incentive to be in the world, to do anything outside of the chore list. Eventually that same repeated list of chores burns even the most loyal of fans out. I love a lot about the game, but the content formula is really stale at this point. Its all the same, just with different names. There is no excitement anymore about gearing up a new job - its the same currency gear that everyone else is wearing. I personally enjoyed diadem when it first came out - RNG style loot, always watching for that 210 drop with awesome rolls, and then it just died. They spent so much time im sure developing this new content, and then it dies in one patch cycle. Weve seen fun side attractions added like chocobo racing, verminion, and triple triad, but hardly anyone plays these. I feel like SE release so much content that just kinda falls flat with the player base. There is a disconnect somewhere.

3.35 launches tomorrow and SE will drop a new type of content in deep dungeon. Im glad to see a new type of content again. I hope it does share the same fate as diadem and essentially be dead 3 months from now. They must break this stale formula and shake the game up.

EDIT: I also would add many of the jobs feel like they are cut out of the same mold as well, with a few exceptions. I hope while they diversify content they will work to make each job feel unique and different. Not the same combo formula just with different animations and names.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

More of the point is, you can't beat content fatigue in a MMO no matter how you design it.

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You can't, but my takeaway point is that you can design content to be resistant to the fatigue. Even during wotlk with patch fatigue, the subscriptions was higher than ever, and maintained it quite well. The content speaks for itself; Ulduar is still one of the best, well designed raids imo and that has a factor to it.

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

Most statics that are capable of succeeding would indeed remove someone who continuously falls behind because 1 person shouldnt hold back an entire team. Not saying I support that thought process but it is indeed something very real. it also locks you out of doing content using the PF when most will set it to what is currently considered realistic in terms of gear progression rather than the minimum for the duty as recommended.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

Like Yurimi said, a static would kick you. Last time I fell behind because I tired of capping lore I was pretty much locked out from every Ex primal practice group in Party Finder by less than 10 ilvl's. And because of the weekly lock out it took me weeks to get my ilvl up that tiny bit since each gear piece increases it by 1~2.

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Don't stray from the original context. If you're raiding in a static, then you're probably actively playing the game anyway, and the lore cap wouldn't even be a primary concern. However that does root back to the original problem where the only "static raid" we have is EX and savage, the latter being the primary one and thus necessitates the gear requirement, but i digress.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Uhm...why do people always say this as if it was something to be afraid of?

What terrible things happen if you fall behind a little? Is your static going to kick you? Will your FC give you the boot? Will dungeon groups vote dismiss you for having i223 instead of i235?

I mean, sure, it would be nice if caps could be stacked similar to leve allowances, because activity can be rather erratic. But missing a cap really doesn't matter outside of bleeding edge progression.

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Like Yurimi said, a static would kick you. Last time I fell behind because I tired of capping lore I was pretty much locked out from every Ex primal practice group in Party Finder by less than 10 ilvl's. And because of the weekly lock out it took me weeks to get my ilvl up that tiny bit since each gear piece increases it by 1~2.

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

I also would add many of the jobs feel like they are cut out of the same mold as well, with a few exceptions. I hope while they diversify content they will work to make each job feel unique and different. Not the same combo formula just with different animations and names.

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I also agree with this, I was so disappointed that MCH turned out exactly the same as BRD.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

You can't, but my takeaway point is that you can design content to be resistant to the fatigue. Even during wotlk with patch fatigue, the subscriptions was higher than ever, and maintained it quite well. The content speaks for itself; Ulduar is still one of the best, well designed raids imo and that has a factor to it.

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Ulduar was most definitely one of the most well designed raids ever made in MMO history. It hit almost every note right. Its a shame SE hasn't really made a mechanic heavy fight like the first fight where you use motorcycles and other vehicles. You could do something like that and mix it in with getting off and performing your tank/DPS/heal checks. Don't get me started on how amazing the warship fight was in Icecrown Citadel, where you were fighting another ship and you lost from your ship getting blown up or your raid group wiped. Had to jump over to defeat mobs/bosses and properly manage your resources and cannons to win.

I do also want to SE step a bit out of their comfort zone in raids and do something very interesting. Coils had somewhat interesting fights like T1, but now they have become one boss on a circle platform.

Not saying the fights we get now are bad (well, some are...AS3), but it feels limiting and using Ulduar/Naxxramas/Icecrown Citadel as ways to engage players more than their respected roles without breaking that role and they will have something great.

I guess we will see if they take that in for 4.0. I wouldn't hold my breath for 3.4 however.

http://puu.sh/q6ady/3c7cc19de3.png

You know something isn't right when more than one of the choices made by SE are the same...

Well now deep dungeon is out so lets see the longevity it has :D I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised..but not really expecting much :x

Can you work toward a high iLevel weapon while leveling other jobs?

If so, this content will never die.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Well now deep dungeon is out so lets see the longevity it has :D I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised..but not really expecting much :x

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I'm personally not doing it again after my first 50 floors. From a combination of having a level 1 MCH, mobs being exactly as I expected (1 or 2 telegraphs associated with each one) and the bleek, hallway-esq design, I'm already falling asleep after the 5th floor on each tier.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I'm personally not doing it again after my first 50 floors. From a combination of having a level 1 MCH, mobs being exactly as I expected (1 or 2 telegraphs associated with each one) and the bleek, hallway-esq design, I'm already falling asleep after the 5th floor on each tier.

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I haven't tried it yet, but what I have seen in feedback so far is just wave of mobs then a boss each 10th floor. It kind of goes back to what I was saying above that SE has all this moving space to add interesting things like how Nyzul Isle added puzzles, or do anything remotely interesting. I highly doubt the content will die out because there is incentive to do it, it is just a shame that SE is so scared of jumping out of their comfort zone.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I'm personally not doing it again after my first 50 floors. From a combination of having a level 1 MCH, mobs being exactly as I expected (1 or 2 telegraphs associated with each one) and the bleek, hallway-esq design, I'm already falling asleep after the 5th floor on each tier.

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Did you really expect the first 50 floors, intended to be leveling content for anyone over level 17, to be challenging or exciting? I don't think we'll see the interesting bits until the expanded floors are released.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Did you really expect the first 50 floors, intended to be leveling content for anyone over level 17, to be challenging or exciting?...

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yes, yes i do. because that is what you do to make content exciting. You make it exciting from the get go, not at level 100. You don't make it a boring slog, because people will expect the rest of the content to be a boring slog.

That said, I would like to try it tonight.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Did you really expect the first 50 floors, intended to be leveling content for anyone over level 17, to be challenging or exciting? I don't think we'll see the interesting bits until the expanded floors are released.

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don't hold your breath.

What would be cool? Brawler's Guild Styled fights like wow has.

What will 51-200 be? The same trash/bosses we have been fighting for three years with the same abilities randomly populating some simple map. whoo hooo. Look forward to some alt loot weapons!

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Can you work toward a high iLevel weapon while leveling other jobs?

If so, this content will never die.

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Yiip yip, you can play BLM 1 and get a weapon for your PLD 60 in exchange. Shame that the leveling is not as fast but it is still mkay.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Did you really expect the first 50 floors, intended to be leveling content for anyone over level 17, to be challenging or exciting? I don't think we'll see the interesting bits until the expanded floors are released.

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I agree with you, Deep Dungeon isn't meant to be fun. How dare they question SE. I mean you get to kill the same adds in the same never changing rooms, 10 floors at a time. You basically get to do the same thing over and over for 50 floors. It cant possibly get better than that. Sure they could of added physical traps like a giant rock rolling around the dungeon. perhaps some puzzles? Maybe even spikes the shoot out of the ground in a pattern and players have to avoid. How about some platform jumping? no? course not, why get anything like that when we get kill and do the same thing for 50 floors. Also from what I understand the fun doesn't start until floor 199. So if you want your fun you have to wait until the rest of us get to grind adds for 198 floors with the same marked traps and the same rooms.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

If deep dungeon offers the same thing (kill adds then boss... repeat) I think I will move on to something else.

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I think best thing I can do is follow my own advice from 26-June-2016

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I think best thing I can do is follow my own advice from 26-June-2016

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You, I like you. :D

Well, as with diadem, this still has quite a bit of potential. Since you pretty much level up in there, they can adjust it more freely than other content plus make it transition into future content if they so desire. Going back to my original point of having a PTS though....Many people dont like paying to test products....just saying. This was honestly just a test for them. For what it was though, I had some enjoyment solo'ing some of the floors with classes I dont really touch.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

Simple, add gear sets with each complete set having it's pieces scattered though all raids so people would have to do them all.

Even if people would go for only one set, they would have to do all raids.

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Doesnt even need a set to do this just scatter current items across 2 raids where both end bosses drops chest and other drops pants, with lil twist i would do small "attunement quest" after you clear both raids that unlocks "trial" like fight with "true" end boss and he is the one that drops weapons.

So...as for deep dungeon, I already cleared it in less then a day enough to get my weapon :x

I'll get the rest of the stuff from it too in no time. It's alright, it just..idk, still feels a bit lacking.

It really doesn't remind me of Nyzul at all. Nyzul took a long time to farm and get gear from, and the whole thing took a lot of team work. In Deep Dungeon its like, go to a room, clear it, look for the key room or silver chest..next. I didn't expect more then this though. But yea..I remember someone earlier in this thread saying "oh, I wanted Nyzul and they are putting in Deep Dungeon!" No..not even close XD Maybe when they update it with the "hardcore" stuff that Yoshida mentioned (floor 100+) it will feel more like Nyzul.

Different game, different mechanics and so forth.

Oh well, it may end up being fun..who knows?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Maybe when they update it with the "hardcore" stuff that Yoshida mentioned (floor 100+) it will feel more like Nyzul.

Different game, different mechanics and so forth.

Oh well, it may end up being fun..who knows?

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At the very least, it is something to do with a few friends towards Tomestones and a weapon for an alt job that does not involve running DR-EX. I do hope the later floors are harder though.

Only thing I like about Derp Dungeon is the use of items. Other then that it is a long ass boring hallway.

The polymorph into monster items and the essential Toad/Imp/Chicken spell(that BLM's still don't have for some reason) as an item are fun and stuff but most cases you just want the trap nullifying or trap seeing ones and you can care less about the rest.

I want to say nice try but it's clear to see how much budget they actually have to work with. Not much.

Tried it both in a party and solo. had enough time to do up to floor 20 in a pt and floor 10 solo. An alternate way to cap the bloody tomestone that is somewhat randomized?

/smile /yes

I'm liking this.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

So...as for deep dungeon, I already cleared it in less then a day enough to get my weapon :x

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So you got your weapon day 1?

This is going to die faster than i thought, even for exp to lvl up i don't think it offers enough exp to say it's better than dungeons.

I'm glad i didn't login for this, going for 3 weeks since i've touched the game, and i don't feel like going back for anything. :/

The thing is; if floors 51+ is still going to be the same thing, except only with mobs hitting much harder, I really don't see the fun in that. In the end it's still very monotonous and repetivive when it comes to the gameplay. I honestly can't even be bothered to finish a weapon, although that's more on because I don't like how they look in the first place, and I have no motivation to upgrade my gear since I'm not raiding. I fell asleep on floor 3-5 in each segment; it hardly feels random in gameplay when all the hallways feel and look the same, and the floor debuffs feels incredibly arbitrary just to make it feel longer (like no sprint, damage down or blindness)

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

So you got your weapon day 1?

This is going to die faster than i thought, even for exp to lvl up i don't think it offers enough exp to say it's better than dungeons.

I'm glad i didn't login for this, going for 3 weeks since i've touched the game, and i don't feel like going back for anything. :/

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Yea I did lol sorry I haven't replied to this till now...haha I haven't been keeping up with my forum posts as usual ; ;

Hey, this thread returned from the abyss

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Hey, this thread returned from the abyss

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What is dead my never die.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Yea I did lol sorry I haven't replied to this till now...haha I haven't been keeping up with my forum posts as usual ; ;

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To be fair I wouldn't blame you for not posting as much. Having too much fun with MH: Generations and it never gets stale despite basically being kill the boss. Probably because of all the different ways you can customize your character.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Hey, this thread returned from the abyss

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Best job:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...hreadNecro.gif

I kid. I just really wanted to use that one one day....

I can say at this point I only log in because i feel like I should at least until after Fan Fest. If I dont hear anything that really "Wows" me then ill decide if im going to stick around. Not that it matters to anyone else. Ive loved this game since 2.0 with minor breaks here and there, its just got to a point where i have to force myself to log in and its only because i feel obligated to since im going to fanfest.

In my case, I've took a 3 month break for the first time. I came back because I heard there was a campaign and decided to try out whatever's new and nope, none of the new things really interested me, but I do think Palace of the Dead has potential. Also from my absence, my FC pretty much died and disbanded. The other active members have gone separate ways and I have no house to really hang out on anymore. It's just sad to see my friends quit or become so disheartened over a game we used to enjoy so much.

I'm planning on resubbing when the Moonfire Faire event is up (because I just can't miss an event) but most of my time would go to fishing, making gil, being AFK or not playing at all. I'm completely burned out from doing roulettes. I don't think it's fun but I do it with friends if they're up for it though, since it's more bearable that way to me.

I still care about the game though, sometimes I wish I didn't so I could quit without any regrets.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

To be fair I wouldn't blame you for not posting as much. Having too much fun with MH: Generations and it never gets stale despite basically being kill the boss. Probably because of all the different ways you can customize your character.

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I love the armor designs so much and it's cute that it's based on the monster you slain to get the materials from.
I liked how boss monsters are like in that game, too. I know it wouldn't work in a game like this but I'd like to see more enemies that have no AoE telegraph of any kind and instead they do unique gestures which would mean they'll do one of their various attacks, or a cast bar at least.
The Cyclops/Minotaurs would always be some of my favorite kind of enemies in this game, even if they don't do much. Loved the carnage "The Eyes Have It" FATE brings.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

What is dead my never die.

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That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.

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It also may be a lie to say that I do not like apple pie....sorry, I had to give it a try....ooooooh!

Wrong definition of lie.