Out of touch? PLL

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

For the record, what made Bozja more popular and have a longer lifespan wasn't specifically the content itself (even though it was better than Eureka) but rather that for a time period in SHB, prior to the rebalancing of dungeon exp, Bozja was unilaterally the fastest way to acquire exp for alt jobs once MSQ was finished and all regions unlocked. It was the de facto power leveling location.
I highly doubt exploratory content, without the EXP incentive while remaining equally grindy as previous versions were, will suddenly see more engagement than historically has been.

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That's like saying raiding wouldn't be as popular if it didn't give gear. Exp is part of the content.

Regarding exploratory content not being present in EW, it seems clear from the acquisition method of that expansion's relics (which in the prior two expansions were tied to the exploratory zones) that it was just a cutting corners/minimal effort measure.

You see this in other aspects of the game as well in DT, such as the hyped up double dye channel. Many in-game sets (including WHM/BLM ARR Artifact Armor set) were skipped over getting their second channel despite funnily enough the dyeable cash shop items all getting second dye channels.

I was also hoping(coping?) that DT, being the first expansion where Hrothgar/Viera are finally fully implemented with both male and female available; that the new headgear for Artifact Armor would work on them. Sadly they were left out again. The future in regards to the hrothgar/viera hats front seems bleak, because if anything we seem to have regressed in having gear work with particular racial features. We've been seeing Miqote ears being lopped off of gear for a bit, but now its not only extended to their tails being chopped off on some gear, but also elezen and lalafell are losing their ears as well.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Correction, I said (in response to comments in this thread) forum feedback has not been valued to warrant a response in the LL. The people who have argued for nerfs are both on the forums and playing the game. If they see engagement numbers to something, and its lower than normal, they tend to act in a direction akin to appeasing the most people, which tends to be more casual.

Me saying "you and several others on these forums" does not contradict my first statement. Nice try at the gotcha tho



If Eureka and Bozja were so popular, please explain why no exploratory content was present in EW?

But I digress..
SB (pre-patch) MSQ was popular, Lyse was a fan favorite, Eureka/Bozja was everyones favorite content.

The forum 2024 revisionism continues I guess.

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what kind of gotcha is this when i litterally tell you to correct me lol. you really have too chill more.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Yeah, I'm trying to fit in with the overall antagonistic vibe of the forums. The only thing that's still out of touch are the forums, as per normal.

Forum feedback has never been valued, because it is the minority. Pretty sure with the amount of raid clears this tier, they consider DT engagement a massive success. There is nothing likely needing addressing from a numbers perspective. Not that they EVER would have intended to be like "omg, the forums are complaining, we must address immediately!!!!"

Only terminally online folks on these forums think their toxicity is valid. Ya'll can hold this L, just like that #HeAlErStrIKE!

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i was referring to this btw. besides your attitude is kinda aggresive there without a reason i cant understand.

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Originally Posted by Luluya

Regarding exploratory content not being present in EW, it seems clear from the acquisition method of that expansion's relics (which in the prior two expansions were tied to the exploratory zones) that it was just a cutting corners/minimal effort measure.

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The final designs themselves also fit Solution 9 so much more than the rest of the setting that I have to wonder if they did something like backporting models intended for some Arcadion tier.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

what kind of gotcha is this when i litterally tell you to correct me lol.

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Fair.

But yeah I knew that was the comment you were referring to. It's specifically referring to the previous comments of forum feedback warranting addressing in a LL. Context matters.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Correction, I said (in response to comments in this thread) forum feedback has not been valued to warrant a response in the LL. The people who have argued for nerfs are both on the forums and playing the game. If they see engagement numbers to something, and its lower than normal, they tend to act in a direction akin to appeasing the most people, which tends to be more casual.

Me saying "you and several others on these forums" does not contradict my first statement. Nice try at the gotcha tho



If Eureka and Bozja were so popular, please explain why no exploratory content was present in EW?

But I digress..
SB (pre-patch) MSQ was popular, Lyse was a fan favorite, Eureka/Bozja was everyones favorite content.

The forum 2024 revisionism continues I guess.

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Same reason ShB lacked a Deep Dungeon and EW had one, they wanted to use the budget on other content. Seriously they have answered this in an interview before when Deep Dungeon was missing in ShB. Both take a lot of development time and money.

Here is the google translated part of the interview if you do not believe me (Source-Here):

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--I'd like to ask a few questions about future content. Are there plans to implement the "Deep Dungeon" content that was well received in 3.X and 4.X in patch 5.X?

Yoshida: Sorry, but we've been making a lot of new content, so we don't have the production budget to put towards this. To be honest, I wanted to have it ready as a leveling area for when the next expansion pack comes out... Although the plan is complete, we can't currently generate the funds to complete it, so we're thinking of taking a break from Deep Dungeon for now. Instead, we're preparing the farm-like gameplay we've been talking about for a while, and we're planning to prepare a lot of content centered on daily life from patch 5.3 onwards.

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COVID happened during this and also probably delayed some of that.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I'm curious, what did the JP side say about the PLL?

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I really would like to know this, too. Does someone know?

As far as I've checked the forum, nothing really. Think the only part that got any real buzz was the FFXI AR thread in more or less the same way the english thread did. I think they were expecting the usual PR given it was at TGS and knew it wasn't going to go over adjustments or system-level updates, which he did clarify will be in the next one.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

YoshiP was surprised because largely unpopular content suddenly became really popular which he himself pointed out. Unless you are implying the team chose to just not implement the most popular content in the game for an entire expansion just cause?

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Per Lucky Bancho's census data:

• Completion of Normal Abyssos across Level90 characters is 44.69%
• Acquisition of the Island Mandragora Mount across Level90 characters is 21.69% (16.04% of total active)
• Percentage of Level70+ characters that went at least to Eureka Pagos is 34.55% (30.38% of total active)
• Percentage of Level70+ characters that reached Elemental Level 60 is 18.93% (16.65% of total active)
• Percentage of Level80+ characters that went at least to Zadnor is 47.14% (38.67% of total active)
• Percentage of Level80+ characters that reached Resistance Rank 25 is 34.80% (28.55% of total active)
• Percentage of active character that completed the MSQ is 69.35%

So this "largely unpopular content" saw nearly 50% of the entire playerbase reach at least Zadnor. For comparison sake, the only other singular piece of content with that level of engagement is the MSQ. The supposedly unequally unpopular Eureka saw nearly 20% make it all the way to level 60, which is only obtainable by both unlocking and participating in the last zone.

Now Eureka did see a noticeable drop in participation primarily due to Pagos being widely disliked due to changes nobody really asked for. Despite those changes, nearly as many people continued to grind Eureka over Island Sanctuary. Which kind of highlights how big a flop that content was.

So... yes, by the metrics we have, they dropped what was the most popular content in Endwalker given 47% of the playerbase made it to the second zone. However, I don't ever recall Yoshida being surprised or even commenting on Bozja outside the usual. So where exactly are you getting this idea he was surprised by the supposed sudden turn around in opinion on exploratory zones?