Or! How about this? SE fix the god damn housing system so there wouldn't be a supply issue in the first place? Unbelievable blaming players for their absolute incompetence on the matter... There wouldn't be a house auto demolish system in the first place if there was adequate supply. People feel they need to keep their sub up because it is such a pain to get a house, you have the cause and effect all backwards. Stop white knighting for the company's bad design and decisions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Yoshi-P lied
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03-15-2023, 04:47 PMSheriyana
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03-15-2023, 04:53 PMJettinsonHonestly this patch made me want to get a crafter relic and I usually bother with it an expansion later. I just wanted to see the big groups of people crafting just how I used to see in the Firmament.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza
(It was worth it, I like the crystal blacksmith hammer) but that's it, other than that, tome grinding gets old really quick, not a single roulette I went people were talking about current relic, it feels like just buying a 2nd set of tome weapon where I feel I wasted my causality tome with weapons.
At same time, cool, no need to dump more money for a while in subbing, still sucks. -
03-15-2023, 06:11 PMJaquan
Issues with Eureka and Bozja is that they're entirely dependent on players actively clearing it which doesn't happen anymore. I mean there are people there but they're mostly maxed out players running FETE trains. I'm currently in second Zone and I kinda gave up already on upgrading my Relic. Solo grind takes too long and most FETEs are too high of a level (thus giving me next to no exp and rewards) and are unreachable sinc mobs can one shot me. And it will only get worse as the time moves forward.
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03-15-2023, 06:24 PMSicno
Yes, he has indeed lied. Just refer to my signature.
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03-15-2023, 06:49 PMSaraideThe quote in your signature being a lie also makes his claim that players are encouraged to take a break not truthful.Quote:
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03-16-2023, 01:00 AMDPZ2What signature? Your post at 4:24 AM this morning does not include a signature, although you may think you placed one there.Quote:
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03-16-2023, 01:09 AMxxmiamorecadenzahttps://i.imgur.com/G5AQ9Q9.pngQuote:
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03-16-2023, 01:36 AMDPZ2Ah yes. I apparently disabled signatures at some point in the past. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza
I note that the quote was from a live letter 10 years ago, when competition for housing was, perhaps, not expected to run out given the then current player population. So, not a lie (in 2013), but a gross underestimation of the number of actual players the game would eventually have. Wishful thinking, rather than outright lies.
It's nothing that a massive influx of server hardware couldn't address at this point. Or a massive rewrite of the housing system for the game. What content should we agree to ditch in order to get there?
Would players with current housing still subscribe at all if they were ensured that the data for their house interior would exist forever?
What price should a house become in a revamped housing system? Free? 10 million gil? 100 million gil for a Mansion?
Would a housing instance that can only accommodate a single player be ok?
Perhaps players should come to a consensus about adapting a single design case for housing, before saying "make it like X" or "make it like it is today, but ...". -
03-16-2023, 01:55 AMSheriyana1. The purpose of the auto demolish wasn't to keep people subbed, it was to open plots from players who weren't playing anymore, so the point is irrelevant. In essence they're the same but the motivation for the change is different, I at least would like to believe that the original intent wasn't to hold people's houses for a monthly ransom but what do I know. It probably affected their decision to add the feature, sure (every company loves money), but it shouldn't be a deciding factor in the least.Quote:
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2. Irrelevant. But if there's actually enough plots for everyone, it wouldn't make much sense to make them so expensive that most players wouldn't be able to afford them. That's just gatekeeping for no reason.
3. I can't speak for everyone but I sure would be fine with the wards being completely abolished. A customizable island of your own with the plot size you want beats dumpster diving for trash in the wards as you don't have a chance in hell for any of the good plots.
4. Why would the players need to come into a consensus about it? I think it's the developers job. SE can start paying me a sub if they want me to come up with ideas for them. The only thing we can really say is that we've had what over 9 years with the current system and it just is not working, at all, so they need to come up with something better that is way more accessible. -
03-16-2023, 02:01 AMByron-Blackfyre
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"Would players with current housing still subscribe at all if they were ensured that the data for their house interior would exist forever?"
Answer: Yes. We could take breaks more often that is true, but many of us would also log back in later on to check how the MSQ is doing, to raid with our FC-mates, to continue our deep dungeon saves, to progress seasonal PVP tracks, and to do stuff on Party Finder.
"What price should a house become in a revamped housing system? Free? 10 million gil? 100 million gil for a Mansion?"
Answer: if we're talking about instanced content then the price as it now works. we could buy a small, then upgrade it to a medium, and finally a large.
"Would a housing instance that can only accommodate a single player be ok?"
Answer: Just have it be like island sanctuary where you can have some friends over.
"Perhaps players should come to a consensus about adapting a single design case for housing, before saying "make it like X" or "make it like it is today, but ...".
Answer: That is not going to happen through a forum vote considering that the majority of players don't even come here.