Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

It’s ok bc he is the one doing it

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Originally Posted by Jamini

The guy using zoomhacks should have cleared it with his raid leader before even using it. The leader is perfectly in the right to remove someone who was cheating, especially as activities like that are against the ToS.

To the OP: If you even read this far, best of luck. Next time make a set of rules that everyone agrees to adhere to before your group starts. Kindly ignore the people telling you how to run your own groups.

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Tell me you are not a high end raider without telling me you are not high end raider.

I wish people would stop acting like a static leaders means they have all the power and shit, that is not how a static team works within a small roaster of eight players. It is small enough where you can have informed meetings about issues with every member. Statics are teams, talk shit over with your team do not act on your own, if that is the type of leader you want to be please save everyone the hassle and don't become a static leader. This leader calling all the shots is mostly a low end or pug mindset not a proper static mindset.

I'm telling them they did the right thing, and they should follow their own values rather than listening to an arbitrary group of people who want to impose their will on others. If you can't see the difference, I feel very sorry for you.

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Originally Posted by Jamini

I'm telling them they did the right thing, and they should follow their own values rather than listening to an arbitrary group of people who want to impose their will on others. If you can't see the difference, I feel very sorry for you.

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I agree at the end of the day the right decision was made, but during the course of this thread it was revealed that they didn't have written rules. So likely the removal took the group off-guard and interrupted any progress they were making. If there are boundaries that cannot be crossed, the rules should be set in advance with the group IMO.

Yes it's great to have values you follow, but they shouldn't be arbitrary or hidden when the time of 7 other people comes into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Jamini

I'm telling them they did the right thing, and they should follow their own values rather than listening to an arbitrary group of people who want to impose their will on others. If you can't see the difference, I feel very sorry for you.

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hmm, so "follow their own values", which in theory is what the other members of the static did, which was to leave the static, so they also did the "right" thing, and this situation is actually a good thing, because everyone followed their own values! So OP should be happy. But they're not.

disclaimer: I don't believe this story ever happened, it reads like a /r/tifu post.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Tell me you are not a high end raider without telling me you are not high end raider.

I wish people would stop acting like a static leaders means they have all the power and shit, that is not how a static team works within a small roaster of eight players. It is small enough where you can have informed meetings about issues with every member. Statics are teams, talk shit over with your team do not act on your own, if that is the type of leader you want to be please save everyone the hassle and don't become a static leader. This leader calling all the shots is mostly a low end or pug mindset not a proper static mindset.

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Every group is different. If you are a high end raider, why are you posting on an alt account? There is no reason to hide. Clearing high-end content is something to be proud of, no matter how far you do (or don't) get.

Most groups I am in discuss things extensively, but the buck stops at the leader. The very first person who should be informed of anything major, including mods, should be the person organizing things. Then it's on the person in charge to disseminate that information, or not. The whole point of having a leader to run things is to make decisions on behalf of the group. Running things by pure democracy is extremely inefficient and slow, which is why no organization in the world does so in practice. From the smallest eight-person raid groups, to gaming groups spanning over two hundred players across the world, to running a world-renowned business or development team.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

hmm, so "follow their own values", which in theory is what the other members of the static did, which was to leave the static, so they also did the "right" thing, and this situation is actually a good thing, because everyone followed their own values! So OP should be happy. But they're not.

disclaimer: I don't believe this story ever happened, it reads like a /r/tifu post.

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Probably is fake, which is why I feel a little dumb that I keep posting in the thread lol.

Exactly. If I disagree with my static leader on things (and we do quite a bit) I discuss it with them privately. If I disagree with leadership of a group I'm in heavily enough, I leave.

I don't expect to get my way all the time with the group I run with.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I agree at the end of the day the right decision was made, but during the course of this thread it was revealed that they didn't have written rules. So likely the removal took the group off-guard and interrupted any progress they were making. If there are boundaries that cannot be crossed, the rules should be set in advance with the group IMO.

Yes it's great to have values you follow, but they shouldn't be arbitrary or hidden when the time of 7 other people comes into consideration.

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That's a good point and something they should take away from it going forward. I also mentioned as such in my reply no?

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Originally Posted by Jamini

That's a good point and something they should take away from it going forward. I also mentioned as such in my reply no?

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Yeah I've been upvoting your posts. Sometimes I just ramble more than necessary.