Ungendered sit poses, please?

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Originally Posted by Joven

The reason I looked at the "most viewed" (not most downloaded) is because it gives an insight to how many people visit that site and where their interests lie. It establishes a baseline number. If 664k people (the number from the highest viewed mod) looked at one mod then it shows that at least 664k people are using mods. Of those 664k modders you've now established exist, 30k or so show an interest in a particular mod. That establishes a percentage. 30k viewers of that one mod is 4.5% of the 664k known modders. If the number of modders is higher than your baseline and the number of views on that one particular mod remains the same then its over all percentage value decreases.

Nobody said anywhere that there isn't going to be demand from outside the forums either.

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The people who visit the site vs the people who view that specific mod and ontop of that, download it, are very, very, very different things. How and why in the world would you even get the idea that the number of viewed mods = the number of people who the visit/interests are?? Legit. That's not how stats work m'dude nor does that prove anything other than you certainly can pull numbers out of thin air.

Also, here's what started this discussion, since you forgot:

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Originally Posted by Joven

Because the devlopers intend each race/gender to be portrayed as a certain way and that's the main draw for people pick those races/genders. A small outlier of people wanting their character to go against those norms isn't justification enough to open up all emotes to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

"small number" says who? how many people did you poll for "small number" lmao.

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Originally Posted by Joven

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

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Cmon dude don't lie.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

The people who visit the site vs the people who view that specific mod and ontop of that, download it, are very, very, very different things. How and why in the world would you even get the idea that the number of viewed mods = the number of people who the visit/interests are?? Legit. That's not how stats work m'dude nor does that prove anything other than you certainly can pull numbers out of thin air.

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You've completely missed the point or are intentionally being obtuse about it. Either way I'm done explaining it to you.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Also, here's what started this discussion, since you forgot:

Cmon dude don't lie.

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Because the devlopers intend each race/gender to be portrayed as a certain way and that's the main draw for people pick those races/genders. A small outlier of people wanting their character to go against those norms isn't justification enough to open up all emotes to everyone.

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"small number" says who? how many people did you poll for "small number" lmao.

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You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

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The forums are where they are going to get the information on whether something has interest or not. The forums are also a small percentage of the playerbase. Pointing that out isn't negating that there are people outside the forums that may want this. Also if those people aren't voicing their interests then how are the developers going to know?

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Originally Posted by Joven

You've completely missed the point or are intentionally being obtuse about it. Either way I'm done explaining it to you.









The forums are where they are going to get the information on whether something has interest or not. The forums are also a small percentage of the playerbase. Pointing that out isn't negating that there are people outside the forums that may want this. Also if those people aren't voicing their interests then how are the developers going to know?

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No I acknowledge your point, I just think it's stupid lmao.

And idk dude, there's a lot of ways to gauge player interest. Restaurants and retail have been gauging customer interest for a long time without people voicing their complaints. Most people don't complain directly really. Ever heard the phrase "they decide with their feet"? Certainly there are people who work at SE who look at hard numbers, player engagement, scour through Twitter/Reddit/whatever social media to gauge interest, players voice their interests or disinterest in more ways than you'd think. Tbh, the fact is the demand *is* enough for SE to consider ungendering outfits. Those same people are probably the ones who would majority support ungendered idles/sits as well. To SE, the number is significant enough to bother doing this, so it can be reasoned that ungendered sits/idles, if possible, would be at least a bit on the radar, but who know?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

And since it's just sitting positions and our character poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue that we do get them.

Ur point?

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Not my point. Yours. You're the one who stated that, I'm afraid.

I already voiced how it is an issue for me. My characters' poses are not "just poses".

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Originally Posted by Padudu

No I acknowledge your point, I just think it's stupid lmao.

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"I don't like it so I'm going to disregard it". Basically.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

And idk dude, there's a lot of ways to gauge player interest. Restaurants and retail have been gauging customer interest for a long time without people voicing their complaints. Most people don't complain directly really. Ever heard the phrase "they decide with their feet"? Certainly there are people who work at SE who look at hard numbers, player engagement, scour through Twitter/Reddit/whatever social media to gauge interest, players voice their interests or disinterest in more ways than you'd think. Tbh, the fact is the demand *is* enough for SE to consider ungendering outfits. Those same people are probably the ones who would majority support ungendered idles/sits as well. To SE, the number is significant enough to bother doing this, so it can be reasoned that ungendered sits/idles, if possible, would be at least a bit on the radar, but who know?

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Retailers are physical locations. If people aren't showing up in the numbers they expected then they can clearly see whatever they're doing isn't working as intended. They also have paid advertisements on websites to aggregate information for them whereas the developers don't have that luxury. All they have is what people tell them.

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Originally Posted by Joven

"I don't like it so I'm going to disregard it". Basically.



Retailers are physical locations. If people aren't showing up in the numbers they expected then they can clearly see whatever they're doing isn't working as intended. They also have paid advertisements on websites to aggregate information for them whereas the developers don't have that luxury. All they have is what people tell them.

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Social media websites/platforms/YouTube literally do the same thing tho. Why do you think Facebook/Twitter changed so much? Part of it is users complaining, other part of it is because they know where to look in gauging user interest. Why did Google+ fail for example? Google sucks ass when it comes to user engagement, but you have to agree that Twitter/Facebook are experts at it for a reason. I use restaurants/retails because it's easy lmao. You can apply it online too because it requires the same amount of studying.

And yeah I am going to disregard it bcos at the minimum you and I don't have to be disagreeing at the same point, we're just talking in circles otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Not my point. Yours. You're the one who stated that, I'm afraid.

I already voiced how it is an issue for me. My characters' poses are not "just poses".

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I already have acknowledged my point lmao and my point was: it's sitting positions so just ungender them. So what was your point in repeating literally the same thing other than to be like "but not everyone likes squats:(". Yeah I'm sure not everyone does lmao.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Social media websites/platforms/YouTube literally do the same thing tho. Why do you think Facebook/Twitter changed so much? Part of it is users complaining, other part of it is because they know where to look in gauging user interest. Why did Google+ fail for example? Google sucks ass when it comes to user engagement, but you have to agree that Twitter/Facebook are experts at it for a reason. I use restaurants/retails because it's easy lmao. You can apply it online too because it requires the same amount of studying.

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Google/Youtube, Facebook and Twitter are completely different entities compared to an online game and the developers behind it. Their whole model is about gathering user data and moulding themselves to fit what they think people want so they can collect even more data and even then they get it disasterously wrong (Google+, Meta) and seeing as they control the platforms by which people communicate, it's not difficult for them to attain this data.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game. :eek::eek::eek::eek:
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

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"I should have different ways to sit because I need to!"
"Why not be thankful for what you guys do have?"
"OH MY GOD YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MIND!

You're projecting your instability.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact.

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...and you proved that yes, a small number of people want that. I not only was generous about what that number was, but assumed that they were all active, all unique DLs, and it still came out to less than 1%.

What were you trying to prove pointing this out, exactly?

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Originally Posted by DRHaymaker

"I should have different ways to sit because I need to!"
"Why not be thankful for what you guys do have?"
"OH MY GOD YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MIND!

You're projecting your instability.



...and you proved that yes, a small number of people want that. I not only was generous about what that number was, but assumed that they were all active, all unique DLs, and it still came out to less than 1%.

What were you trying to prove pointing this out, exactly?

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I didn't prove that, I literally only proved that insisting on that is stupid bcos you truly don't know how many people want it, outside the forum. You, Joven, me all have no idea how big the demand is. Hell, like I said earlier, SE is taking the time to make gendered outfits unisex, so reasonably if they are catering to that "small" (which again, you and I can't say for certain is small or not lmao) population of people, then it's more than reasonable to assume the population of players who would like more sitting positions is higher than you'd like to admit. You and Joven are pretty set on tunnel visioning on numbers, when I already said that wasn't the point, and again ignoring the fact that you can't reasonably know what is a "small number" or not. Man, we've been over this, and no amount of 'lalala' and putting fingers in your ear can fix that.

Look dude, if I offended you bcos the idea of a woman with cat ears squatting or sitting like a man disgusts you or you think making sitting positions unisex will please Twitter leftists, I am so sorry lol