Should I expect griefers on a regular basis at end-game?

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Originally Posted by Mayin

Incorrect! Feel free to watch your CS, if ppl dont like partying with newbies they should get out of the DF and get a FC.

Usually when I get a jerk in an instance ill just report them for harassment and let the swift sword of justice be upon them!

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This is exactly right. If I don't feel like watching cutscenes and am, for example, farming Castrum for tomestones... I'll form my own premade group OR I'll sit down, shut up, and let people watch the cutscenes if I'm in a Duty Finder group. The storyline is the best part of any Final Fantasy and I am not going to take that away from other people just because I'm too impatient to wait around for a few extra minutes. Just because someone is a stranger to me doesn't mean I have any right to be a jerk to them.

We're playing an MMO, people. Playing a videogame is already a waste of time. You can wait a few minutes for other people to enjoy it.

IMO Everyone are just missing the real issue.

It's a bad design. To make 9999 of CS in a raid of an online game - Is a bad design.

SE should have planned it differently, they are the ones to blame lol

Please show me another online game with 8 people raid with more than like Opening CS, Ending CS and maybe additional boss CS.

A simple solution - make a story mode of the dungeon that is 4 players or even solo?

But making an endgame tomb run dungeon involved in story is lawl. The players who want to watch it the first time get hurt by this design. The players who want to watch it EVERYTIME get hurt by this design. The players who don't watch to watch it at all get hurt by this design. We are FORCED to stop mid-battle and be interrupted because of those CS's... It was just designed in a silly way. The CS involve text, some reading slow, and some fast, people who finish it faster are hopped into battle while the ones reading slower can't help them - Yeah good design there SE.

Issues like these should not be in an online game in the first place, and it's no wonder players are fighting over it.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I don't think it would kill you to wait with everyone else till the cutscene's over. Just show a little courtesy to those who want to experience the game as it happens.

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This is coming from someone who did skip the cutscenes myself, but when five or six other people ask you politely to skip the cutscene, you should skip it. If you're the one or two members who want to watch, you're holding up everyone else and being even less courteous.

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Originally Posted by Oscura

This is coming from someone who did skip the cutscenes myself, but when five or six other people ask you politely to skip the cutscene, you should skip it. If you're the one or two members who want to watch, you're holding up everyone else and being even less courteous.

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Just adding on here, you can view any cutscene of quests you completed in the inn.

Only ran into one jerk using DF So far . Don't dictate things to people. Unless your paying for there game or they knew the rules for joining the group. Everyone has a right to watch the cutscene or not ,even if asked nicely.

I've had nothing but good experiences with the Duty Finder... until yesterday, when I ran into my first jerk in Dzemael Darkhold. We had a Dragoon who was completely new to the dungeon, and did perfectly well for the entire run up until the end, when she didn't use Limit Break exactly when the tank demanded her to do so. As a result, the tank decided to AFK on us. The run was going well up until this moment.

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I did some snooping and found out his server and his Free Company, and after removing his anonymity he cased his laugh spamming and left rather quickly. I'm really hoping that this doesn't become more common, because it's going to get tiresome quickly if it does.

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Originally Posted by Tsunenori

I've had nothing but good experiences with the Duty Finder... until yesterday, when I ran into my first jerk in Dzemael Darkhold. We had a Dragoon who was completely new to the dungeon, and did perfectly well for the entire run up until the end, when she didn't use Limit Break exactly when the tank demanded her to do so. As a result, the tank decided to AFK on us. The run was going well up until this moment.

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Any MMO with a cross server LFG system has this issue, and I do mean any MMO. Vote-Kick systems work to marginally fix the case, but then you begin running into issues with people kicking others just for shits and giggles. Another solution to the problem is for SE to implement the cross server Black List so you can block people like this and the DF will not group you with those people again. However, people like this are similar to weeds in that they just keep coming back. Anonymity with a keyboard is a nasty beast.

Right now community is almost like MOBA community almost and I think we will get there soon ;)

Some issues would even be fixable by letting players self-identify for the DF and check boxes for "Hardcore," "Standard," or "Casual."

If you're a hardcore player and want to play with like-minded individuals who skip all CS and try to speedrun, you only check HC. New/Relaxed people who watch every CS and are still learning the dungeon choose Casual. If you don't care who you group with, you can check all three.

Of course there will be noobs that think they're hardcore, and the "Standard" option would still be a gamble, but any kind of differentiation of skill/playstyle is a step above the big melting pot we have now.

The more people an MMO gets the more problems there are. Didn't run into this much in 1.0 because there weren't that many people. All that aside, i do not see how that one experience you had was something to expect on a regular basis. I am sure for the most part you have ran dungeons without issues.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Some issues would even be fixable by letting players self-identify for the DF and check boxes for "Hardcore," "Standard," or "Casual."

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That may help but it may also cripple the Real Hardcore players because all the Rushers who constantly wine, insult, and complain at people for making a single mistake, watch cutscenes, and etc. will pick Hardcore because they think they're top dogs of the game themselves when, despite having the good gears, their skill at playing the game is the level of a Casual because they leeched off of other players with better gear and skill than they have to Rush through endgame.

Gear will never determine a person's skill but that doesn't compute with Rushers

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

A lot of you are very nice people and skilled players, but playing your role often seems to give some of you a very warped perspective of what dungeons are "like" and what it means to queue or re-queue.
- DPS queue time is already guaranteed to be at least 30-40 minutes, and that's with the benefits of a cross-server DF.

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Interesting. As a healer I also wait 30-50 minutes to get into each dungeon (since release), generally I start leveling another character while I'm waiting to get in or start crafting/gathering. I'm quite fortunate though as to not run into any troublesome people, most of the people I party with usually say hello and never talk again until maybe after the boss (even if I try to give some pointers or give some ideas, even try to have a conversation).

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Originally Posted by Oscura

This is coming from someone who did skip the cutscenes myself, but when five or six other people ask you politely to skip the cutscene, you should skip it. If you're the one or two members who want to watch, you're holding up everyone else and being even less courteous.

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I don't quite understand how it matters if one or two people watch the cutscenes. Most of the time it's a person you can get by without and continue progressing while they watch. Even if you can't (like both tanks watching), letting them watch every CS in the dungeon amounts to all of a few extra minutes that would add up to exactly dick.

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Originally Posted by Oscura

This is coming from someone who did skip the cutscenes myself, but when five or six other people ask you politely to skip the cutscene, you should skip it. If you're the one or two members who want to watch, you're holding up everyone else and being even less courteous.

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When you enter the dungeon you get the message.

ONE OR MORE MEMBERS IS NEW TO THIS INSTANCE! Everyone knows what they are getting into when the dungeon starts. On the other hand there really should be a small incentive givin to playing with people new to the dungeon like a minor boost in tombs at the end to compensate for all that precious time people have lost while playing a game designed to waste time.

I don't think I'll ever understand the people who are in such a rush when doing something as a passtime....but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Don't give me that. I've played all sorts of MMOs. On a single server you tend to gain a reputation. Hell, you could even see it in 1.0.

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Definitely. Back in WoW before the Dungeon Finder, we used to screen every pug applicant among our raid members before admitting anyone. One whiff of bad rep and you don't get a place. But now all that is not possible because most people use the auto-match and you never know how a person will behave until you've set foot int he instance.

ff11 was known for its whiny elitist hardcore but ff14s whiny childish elite scrubs in the duty finder are on another level. the amount of idiots ive run across on the duty finder is mind numbing.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Some issues would even be fixable by letting players self-identify for the DF and check boxes for "Hardcore," "Standard," or "Casual."

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Seconded. Fantastic idea!
Much rather play with people who don't take the game and themselves too seriously. Casual check box please!

If the tank off tank wasn't interrupting your chances of killing this boss were slim anyway. I say the rage was called for.

SE should just remove the possibility of skipping cutscenes everytime there is a new player in the dungeon. Problem solved.