Is Warrior viable for end game contents?

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Originally Posted by Kiaris

If you honestly don't see WAR getting better with gear, your just a PLD in Denial.

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You should read my post at the bottom of page 5 if this is what you think. Good wars can make it work, but your math and statements are completely out to lunch. Playing with a warrior in full darklight with AF2 body and relic he takes a lot more damage and dies way faster. He was one shot multiple times on ADS adds which were hitting me for 2k in the first turn of the coil. We had to change bosses just so he could stay alive. SE should provide warriors with a little more mitigation to help out.

I am in no way saying a Warrior can't main tank Bahamut's Coil bosses, but it will be much harder on the group than a Paladin.

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Originally Posted by Ahlen

I dunno I think Warrior will end up being better. If they have more DPS then they will definitely end up as the better tank. High DPS tanks matter, it means things clear faster and die faster.

The ability to sponge damage is only 1/3 of the tank triangle. Sponge, DPS, Threat.

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Being able to take damage is pretty much 99% of the tank's job. Threat is a given. If you can't manage threat you're already obsolete. Since Wars and Pallys can both manage threat well enough it's irrelevant. DPS is also irrelevant since a war in defensive mode is so low as to be insignificant when in a good raid group.

If you mitigate less you make encounters better, period. When healers have to worry less about healing a tank they can focus a bit better on keeping the real squishies alive :)

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Originally Posted by Kiaris

PLD vs WAR base reduction goes up exactly the same as we get gear. Are you saying your 20% reduction from stance goes up as you get gear ?

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Percentages scale. Thats basic math.

Enemy does 100 damage per hit.
PLD has 800 health and 20% damage reduction.
WAR has 25% more health, for a total of 1000.
They both die in 10 hits.

PLD and WAR gear up and they now have double their VIT.
That same enemy still does 100 damage per hit.
PLD has 1600 health and 20% damage reduction.
WAR has 25% more health, for a total of 2000.
They both die in 20 hits.

PLD and WAR gear up and they now have double their defense.
That same enemy now does 50 damage per hit.
PLD has 1600 health and 20% damage reduction.
WAR has 25% more health, for a total of 2000.
They both die in 40 hits.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Just beat Titan myself on WAR. It's some hot stuff. Just have to know what you're doing... Which should be pretty obvious.

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I tanked Titan on my war with AF gear... made my 3 healers work :) We did NOT beat the fight as we only tried 4-5 times plus my own inexperience made the fight harder since I took bomb damage.

That being said I COULD have tanked the fight imo, even with my crap gear, BUT it was pretty clear that a paladin would have been better as my healers were working their butts off even without bombs.

Unless SE does some fixes to War mitigation I'm probably going to have to level my Glad to 50 and put my war on the bench for end game content.

honestly this argument is silly....each has there strong points and weak points they are 2 totally different classes and SE tailored them around different types of content there is no "best one" for every single example they both have places they shine and places they dull....can PLD tank everything a war can? yes can war tank everything pld can? yes it all comes down to circumstance personally as a 50 PLD (also lvling WAR) I love having a war with me because together your perfectly balanced cause to me in my opinion they balance each other and that's what SE wanted of course there will be nerfs and buffs coming to them both so time we see how that goes but atm a lot of it comes down to player skill and gear to determine the "best" tank there of course will always be prefer that prefer one tank over the other due to a "bad experience" or personal preference so worrying about who's best end game is silly as each has their own place and if your that worried lvl both lol

Can someone explain whether the following evens the playing field or is it negligible...

15% Healing buff for Warrior that is up 75% of the time.
Stronger Stoneskin than PLD based on Higher Vit/HP value.
Stronger Shields from Scholar Heals.
Inner Beast Burst Heal strategically used.


It seems to me that Warrior is not necessarily poorly designed for end game as much as it is more skill based. I have PLD and WAR at 50. I enjoy both but love Warrior more. PLD is your stereotypical PURE traditional tank. Warrior has many mechanics you need to juggle intelligently. Inasmuch as the gigantic playerbase will have "fail" warriors makes it seem that warrior is underpowered. We hvae Coil of Bahamut warriors saying opposite things. Healers saying they're harder to heal, and others saying they didn't feel any difference between the two. I think the sample size is too small. Give it a few more weeks. Once you see more guilds clearing Coil with PLD and Warrior alike, then the picture will become clear.

I suspect that once people complain of Warrior being underpowerd.. some of the top Warriors on the respective servers will say "LEARN to Play NOOB!"

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Originally Posted by Zell

Stronger Stoneskin than PLD based on Higher Vit/HP value.
Stronger Shields from Scholar Heals.

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These are false.

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Untraited Stoneskin adds a damage shield based on 10% of your max health.
PLD has 800 health, 20% damage reduction, and 80 damage shield from stoneskin.
WAR has 25% more health for a total of 1000 health, and 100 damage shield from stoneskin.
Enemy does 100 damage.
Enemy breaks through the PLD's stoneskin in 1 hit(80 damage taken)
Enemy breaks through the WAR's stoneskin in 1 hit(100 damage taken)

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Originally Posted by Kitru

WAR will *not* get better as gear gets better. As you get more vit, the amount of hp that a WAR gets compared to a PAL is going to get larger, but, since a PAL's hp is *also* going to get larger, by 80% of what a WAR is going to get, it's *still* a break even. As healers get better gear, the amount of hp that a WAR gets compared to a PAL is going to get larger, but, since the PAL is taking 20% less damage, the PAL is *still* going to be better off.

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Good post, something I forgot about too.

PLD, due to their mitigation, have better EHP than Warriors, however, warriors do not gain remotely close EHP or even potential gains from healer gear improvement because of how EHP scales (far stronger than heal scaling).