ranged attack on every monster?

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Originally Posted by Honz

What was SE's reasoning in removing ranged attack from mobs? Game is easy enough as it is, are they trying to make this game retard-proof?

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THey havent given a reason yet. but it may sum up to 'its just stupid'

Which is a perfectly good reason.
And honestly, if they can't come up with an better idea to prevent an abuse of the kiting mechanics than mobs that conjure an infinite number of projectiles out of thin air, they are finished anyway.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Which is a perfectly good reason.
And honestly, if they can't come up with an better idea to prevent an abuse of the kiting mechanics than mobs that conjure an infinite number of projectiles out of thin air, they are finished anyway.

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this is the usual method, or mobs teleporting, its the fairly common answer in most situations, another answer might be monsters hanging out with ranged monsters in parties.

saying that every mob would be easy to kill is nonsence for one the damn enfeebles dont work all that great, bind misses 1/2 the damn time and if it does land it sticks for 2 secs and it worked perfectly in xi u couldnt run through a aggressive zone w/o getting merked even if the mob had no ranged attack

So long as the squirrels still retain Nut Kick, I'm fine with a few things not being able to instagib you from afar.

Actually, every class has the ability to use a ranged attack. Taking away that ability from mobs just doesn't seem like a plausible idea to me, unless they were to take away some projectile weaponry from us.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Actually, every class has the ability to use a ranged attack. Taking away that ability from mobs just doesn't seem like a plausible idea to me, unless they were to take away some projectile weaponry from us.

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A humanoids ranged attack is realistic, a goats ranged attack is not.

And ranged attacks usually hit harder than regular attacks >.>

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Originally Posted by Reika

A humanoids ranged attack is realistic, a goats ranged attack is not.

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I think the point was not in the realism, but in the possible abuse of non ranged mobs versus ranged pcs.


far as ranged attacks hitting harder, its not really exactly true, most ranged attacks are actually elemental based, so it probably seems harder if you have low mdef, which many DD have due to gear, and low mind. however shell is way more of a damage reduction than protect, so what usually ends up happening is with shell, you take less damage from most ranged attacks, also if you have good resistance to it, mdef, its actually wayyy weaker, this basically means mages usually take a lot less damage from ranged attacks. which is why they can get away with bind and nuking, whereas for some melee leaving a monsters close range is a death sentence.

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Originally Posted by Physic

I think the point was not in the realism, but in the possible abuse of non ranged mobs versus ranged pcs.


far as ranged attacks hitting harder, its not really exactly true, most ranged attacks are actually elemental based, so it probably seems harder if you have low mdef, which many DD have due to gear, and low mind. however shell is way more of a damage reduction than protect, so what usually ends up happening is with shell, you take less damage from most ranged attacks, also if you have good resistance to it, mdef, its actually wayyy weaker, this basically means mages usually take a lot less damage from ranged attacks. which is why they can get away with bind and nuking, whereas for some melee leaving a monsters close range is a death sentence.

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Interesting. Can't say it makes much sense but I guess it at least brings some balance.

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Originally Posted by Reika

A humanoids ranged attack is realistic, a goats ranged attack is not.

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Thats understandable, but then again, take away ranged attack from mobs, and everyone can just Bind and then use ranged attacks on every mob that cant hit back. Which also plays a part when people do not want their gear to get damaged.

-Advertise the combat system as one with emphasis on positioning and spacing

-Release game where a monster can hit you regardless of position

Why make kiting and CC worthless?

kiting is for suckers


i may be biased though because im a melee mostly and in my heart

I couldn't agree more. And the fleeing mobs that you can't catch up to. That's beyond awesome...

Kiting and binding tactics are for weak, desperate players who insist on failing to win instead of simply winning.

Yep, ranged attack for every mob needs to go...always bothered me.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Kiting and binding tactics are for weak, desperate players who insist on failing to win instead of simply winning.

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The hell does that even mean? URGH GOTTA BE BIG STRONG MAN FIGHT EVERY MONSTER HEAD ON.

Give Bind a rest, it wears off as soon as the mob is hit, and they can resist it so it's not 100%, even with 8 people casting it.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

The hell does that even mean? URGH GOTTA BE BIG STRONG MAN FIGHT EVERY MONSTER HEAD ON.

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Uh yeah. So stop running and start fighting.
The legitimacy of endgaming is worth more than your ability to get a dc'd member back. That was the decision by tanaka, and it WAS the right decision.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Uh yeah. So stop running and start fighting.
The legitimacy of endgaming is worth more than your ability to get a dc'd member back. That was the decision by tanaka, and it WAS the right decision.

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Kiting can make tough fights with multiple mobs more interesting. Or should every single fight be straight tank and spank?

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Kiting can make tough fights with multiple mobs more interesting. Or should every single fight be straight tank and spank?

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i said this elsewhere, but kiting in a limited amount is interesting, but the mechanics should make it an actual skill based situation, your max running space, and your enemies skills should make it an actual fight, not an auto win once you understand the basics of kiting.
otherwise they need to give melee a similar skill based tactic that allows them to beat almost anything regardless how powerful it is.

though with monster specific kiting limits, and more mixed mob groups, you could still get some kiting in game without making it the super answer

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Originally Posted by Physic

i said this elsewhere, but kiting in a limited amount is interesting, but the mechanics should make it an actual skill based situation, your max running space, and your enemies skills should make it an actual fight, not an auto win once you understand the basics of kiting.
otherwise they need to give melee a similar skill based tactic that allows them to beat almost anything regardless how powerful it is.

they with monster specific kiting limits, and more mixed mob groups, you could still get some kiting in game without making it the super answer

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I don't think kiting should be the solution to everything, but it should take skill and it should be used in at least a few fights. Fights where if the mob catches your kiter you get blown up and everything falls apart.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Kiting can make tough fights with multiple mobs more interesting. Or should every single fight be straight tank and spank?

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Kiting gives weak teams a win they never deserved.
If by that you mean interesting, sure.

Kiting is NOTHING but overprivilege and exploitation of the ranged classes. A common problem it seems.

Sounds like chronically spoiled ranged classes just want to be worth more than the close fighters like they used to be in xi.

No lol...Stand there and fight like men of the server.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Kiting gives weak teams a win they never deserved.
If by that you mean interesting, sure.

Kiting is NOTHING but overprivilege of the ranged classes. A common problem it seems.

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Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. I can already tell this isn't going to go anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. I can already tell this isn't going to go anywhere.

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You're not going to stop anything. What tanaka did was stop chickenwussing a win cold. That should stay in the game.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

You're not going to stop anything. What tanaka did was stop chickenwussing a win cold. That should stay in the game.

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Too bad it's not!

With the way you want MMOs to be there might as well be zero crowd control. Either way, we're clearly not on the same page here.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

You're not going to stop anything. What tanaka did was stop chickenwussing a win cold. That should stay in the game.

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lol, I am starting to believe that he's not trolling at all, just missing a few marbles.

i.e.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I