Duty finder is a disaster

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Originally Posted by HoroBoro

Yea I'm only level 38. The worse experience I had was a tank and heal quitting before the first pull. Otherwise people seem to be very civil. Much more than the forums in fact.

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Hah.. the worst experience I had was when the tank and healer were doing opposite of what they were supposed to be doing. The healer was taking all the aggro and the tank was doing nothing tank like.

The Duty Finder needs many fixes and enhancements aside from general matchmaking purposes across servers.

Mandatory implementation required: Vote to kick

I'd hardly say the Duty Finder is a "complete disaster." Seems a bit exaggerated...

Strangely enough, I've had nothing but good runs using the duty finder. Titan took my group something like 8 tries, but everyone was civil and tried their best to work together. It ended up being quite exciting when we finally pulled out the win. Had a few wipes in the lower level dungeons, usually because someone was new and didn't understand a mechanic, but we worked it out and all was well.

I've been going in as DD or tank and haven't had a bad experience yet, which makes me wary of doing the lvl 50 dungeons with all the craziness and ragers I see posted around.

Welcome to every single team game that ever existed. This has nothing to do with duty finder... Aside from last night it's been perfect.

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Originally Posted by Encor

I tried it about 10ish times, I always had perfect runs. I'm only level 30 though...

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He's 50. You're not. Low level instances in this game haven't been all that challenging yet. Higher level/max level content tends to be more challenging and players in that tier tend to be less forgiving and more demanding. They figure that by 50 you should know how to play and know content. The know content thing is kind of silly since you need to DO content to know it. The know how to play thing is a reasonable expectation.


Pugs are pugs - you're gonna get a variety. For best results - don't pug. Make friends or group with LS/FC. Good groups don't just get handed to you. Be a good player (both in terms of ability and likeability) and find some regulars to do things with. (the OP says this is how they usually roll).

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Originally Posted by Itchyness

Mandatory implementation required: Vote to kick

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As much as this may sound helpful there is also the issue people will abuse this kick system to kick out people playing certain class/jobs because they think the class/Job sucks.

Currently Summoners are facing strong stereotypical beliefs that they are the weakest DD class/Jobs in the game and only noobs and newbies play this class thus resulting in constant insult and slang towards them to play as the other DD class or quit the game because players who play summoner are too Nooby.

On other topic:

Being geared up is nice and will require first a understanding on which gear you need to cover first.

Currently AF1 only covers the body, head, legs, hands, and shoes gear but does not cover the Belt gear which is why it is important to take the small time to gather Tier 1 tomes for the Darklight belt.

Currently the difference between AF1 and Darklight set is by 7 defense per piece (head and body for Mage type characters are covered by two-piece body gear) and a more focus stat gear.

I'm only level 28 so I guess I haven't done any of the "hard" dungeons yet, but I've used the duty finder a lot and only ran into people who were friendly and tried their best. Maybe you need to lighten up a bit.

I mentioned this in my thread I posted last night, this duty finder completely and utterly portrays the faults of our cultural differences. In japan it is completely fine to have a system forcing a bunch of random strangers to play without having to get to know each other beforehand because there is a standard common courtesy among fellow human beings in that country. In North America the average person you see walking down the street would look at you like a weirdo if you said "good afternoon" in passing. We go by a screw strangers policy and this duty finder makes that completely visible. The only way for the North American base to group properly is to implement mechanics that cause us to desire or NEED to get to know each other first and decide we have common interests and goals before throwing us into a serious dungeon party with them.

So you utilize Duty Finder exactly TWO times, and then come complain on the forum that it's an utter disaster? You're the reason for my migraines...

My issue is a combination of things. Youre running with randoms that are probably first timers.. which is fine, but some players are just plain bad. When you try to tell them how to correct it (ie. the gla that never used flash to hold hate on more than 1 target when we are fighting 4) they dont respond. why? because they are paying attention to the BATTLE log. No matter what you do, what you say, you cant get them to switch from the battle tab to the chat tab. this is a SERIOUS problem.

then to further the problem, after getting killed 5 times because the person in the battle log cant get the directions to follow, you cant kick out the player to get a better one! seriously? so if you have someone who doesnt know what they are doing, and not watching the chat log... your only option is to leave yourself? but then it took me over an HOUR to even get into the dungeon! and i dont want to sit through that again :( all 3 of these issues amplify each other.

This is especially an issue in puzzle-like battles, such as the bomb/slime fight in copperbell. i had to trick our tank into getting blown up and killed by the bomb just so he would stop attacking it. and no matter how many times we screamed, he never got the message because of the battle tab. and of course he swapped back to chat tab to yell at me for killing him even though i spent 15 minutes trying to tell him to stop hitting the bomb

That's the risk of the duty finder? I've gotten some bad players, only one of which didn't listen but the other people I've had were willing to learn and listen. What's wrong, however, is people expecting this to be FFXI 2.0; you can't expect everyone to know what they're doing, especially if they've never run the dungeon before.

I do think SE is being a little too "carebear" though, like you can't even use /tells (which is better than say...accidentally embarrassing the bad player in /p), or vote to kick players. They could even have it to where you can't kick players if there's loot up if that's what they're worried about, but I dunno.

This was the conversation that took place in the DF I was in.

http://i42.tinypic.com/28mg282.jpg

I think I've only met 1 person in DF that wasn't "nice". The thing that was hilarious about it, was in Brayflox died on first boss, the person stated that we all stink and left. We immediately got a replacement, who knew it was DPS. Had 0 problems after that... so I find it funny, because everyone was willing to work together and attempt different things to get better. We beat the dungeon and had a blast doing it, the only downside is the good damage dealerss that were there are not on our server, but there is always light with using Duty Finder.

Why black out names? Call them out and let everyone know who the jerks are and what server they're on (if you know)..

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Originally Posted by A-Shock

Why black out names? Call them out and let everyone know who the jerks are and what server they're on (if you know)..

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Because it is against the forums TOS...

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Originally Posted by Kenka

This is a problem both of the system for not checking if you are actually geared (You could still queue to a hard mode primal with lvl 15 greens) and of the people queuing themselves. I understand that people want to keep going and get shinies all the time, but man.. Before queueing for something like that do a little introspection and gear check yourself. If you are not ready, go farm some more gear, otherwise you will be wasting your time and 7 others'.

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Dear God, gear checks are literally the last thing I want in this game. I cannot think of something I want less.

Gear does not indicate player quality. It never has in any game I've played; you can be carried through a lot of the content in XIV, it wouldn't do much here, either. I agree that people need to spend some time gearing before they attempt the harder fights, but gear checks are terrible.

If you have a problem just leave the party. There is no point in even entertaining the crappy players of the game, there are enough people out there to get a group without them. It is not like a game with a lack of players. if they are being unkind and are DPS, well they are a dime a dozen literally easily replaceable. Just leave. If you let them think it's okay they will just keep doing it.

The community is shaped by what people let others get away with. hold them accountable and after a while not being able to do a dungeon because people leave whenever they complain will become them shutting up so they can finish the dungeon. I find a lot of good people who end up being friends that I can do more content with by being picky about my groups. I don't tolerate the high and mighty, I am in it for fun not for some little anti social brat. they can go back to RPG's

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Originally Posted by Azurewrath

Duty finder is a last resort option for people who want to try out the game and don't have 4 minutes to find members. There's a great search function and hundreds of players willing to do any dungeon at all times on your own server

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Exactly how do you do that? Let say I'm looking to find a group to do dungeon X how do you search for other members? Thanks

I've used duty finder at least a dozen times and my experiences have been acceptable. I've met some nice people, I've met a few really bad players who were obviously beginners, and I met one jerk.

The quality of an MMO community is always worst during the first "free" month. When the only people playing are those who pay because they enjoy it, your average experience will improve.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheSequel

Because it is against the forums TOS...

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Oh okay, good call! Didn't know that.

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Originally Posted by Kenka

Agreed, but there is a limit to the times you can try some content before realizing that maybe something is amiss with you or your equipment.. Back when there was no Echo buff for failing, when you got stuck on a mission, you had two choices, either you kept trying or you went back after improving your level/gear. This should not be any different. Ok, I can not expect that people "magically know" the requirements for a fight before attempting it but.. Is it too much to ask for them to be a bit self-conscious of their flaws (if any) after trying for a few times? :(

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Just like FFXI people pay too much attention to gears. People lost because they don't understand the battle mechanic and use the wrong strategy. It simply doesn't make a lot of difference if you can hit 1-2 points more (apart from giving a ego boost to the elistists)

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Originally Posted by Opheliona

I've gotten some bad players, only one of which didn't listen but the other people I've had were willing to learn and listen. What's wrong, however, is people expecting this to be FFXI 2.0; you can't expect everyone to know what they're doing, especially if they've never run the dungeon before.

like you can't even use /tells (which is better than say...accidentally embarrassing the bad player in /p), or vote to kick players.

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I dont expect everyone to be perfect, my issue isnt with duty finder, its with not having any chat in the battle log, so people who are watching damage and have no idea what they are doing, have no idea that they are causing the problem and there is absolutely no way to correct it. And thanks to being unable to send tells, you cant even send them a tell to chime them to get them to switch. (and the <se.x> effects are way too passive to get someones attention)

As for gear checks, i believe they are absolutely necessary for endgame stuff. you dont have to have perfect gear. but you should not be able to flag for the highest difficulty battles while sitting in levell 15 greens. I dont care how much people say that skill has nothing to do with gear, but when you sit for an hour in duty finder, would you want a guy constantly getting 1 shotted, or not mitigating damage at all, or not having good heals? Or how about demon wall? i havent tried it in ffxiv, but i assume its the same dps race as it always was. what if you were stuck with a drg and a pug but wearing lv.5 weapons? gear check would solve those issues, as long as they arent too strict.

I've used DF for pretty much every dungeon so far and most of them were perfect runs, with very few wipes of course. Generally the attitude was good. Only had one time where our healer insulted everyone for no reason, but the way how he insulted us was so enjoyable, that it was rather trolling and a fun run without any wipes :)

This is what happens when something gets super popular. The community that loved 1.0 and was courteous to each other because it was smaller has now been swept away by people just playing the "new and shiny" online game.

I am really hoping a majority of these people leave once the free trial stuff is up.

while i hope all of these people dont leave after the trial, i do miss the small courteous community we had. nowadays its just complaints, flamewars and people finding ways to segregate and dislike each other over nothing that was turned into slightly less than nothing.

i smile and giggle inside whenever people have trouble with the duty finder lol

Its the one thing in this game that smites down extreme wrath on this game ever having an actual community.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheSequel

What has serious happened to the final fantasy community that I have grown up loving?

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I don't mean to go all Debby Downer on you, but the community of FFXI was so elitist that in earlier years of the game DRGs were known as LOLDRG, you could wait hours for a party invite.

Also, most jobs would get scrutinized to the point where if you didn't have a Haubergueon or Vermillion cloak or w/e people would just kick you off their parties. Party kick was super regular, most of the time you were just stranded there, and if you didn't agree with your party leader kicking someone you would get kicked too.

There were many positive things of FFXI's community, but it had its fair share of a-holes. Now with duty finder and no way of b-listing cross server, people have an additional layer of anonymity.

Ive experience what OP has mentioned many times. But in that many times, I have also been with great groups that helped each other out with no problems.

I still would prefer to wait for my friends to catch up to me before I try the level 50 content because I can only lose a Dungeon o'so many times before I rage quit.

Well,it's annoying to team up with people only to have someone leaves the group without saying anything. But most of the time when everything went smooth people stay.I used DF for Titan fight, and everyone died a lot.Although our gears are broken,er won.No one leaves party.The members actually communicate with each other and focussing on strategies instead complaining about everything and blaming each other.

Indeed,some will listen,and some won't care at all.When people leave angry the party,the atmosphere in the rest of the group
is not that peaceful anymore.
I met people of all kinds from A-Z.But each time I use DF for random group,the experience is different.

Yes, the Duty Finder does give us the opportunity to meet with some real jerks. I have had good experiences too, but generally they expect you to do things you don't know you are supposed to do haha...Hey I've never said I'm an expert at this game...and dungeons are not my specialty. But being on a Japanese server, I'm sure has made it better. For some reason the American crowd can be a little less forgiving yikes.

I've had mainly great runs on the DF. A couple groups had trouble in Haukke and another in Brayflox, but other than that they've been just fine. And I've run 20+ dungeons via the DF too.

Granted I'm only lv36 and from what I saw of Qarn in a FC run, doing that via DF can be a pain. But we'll see. I haven't come across anyone yet who I would dislike and no one has ninja looted anything and all those horror stories yet. Doesn't mean they don't happen, I could just be pretty lucky.

The problems mainly start occuring in lvl 50 instances. In last two story dungeon many ppl threaten new players to skip cutscenes or they leave, and on hard primals and amdapor keep elitist pricks flame very often and leave. Too many players unfriendly to first timers.

Elitism showing up in the Duty Finder already? That was quick.

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Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

Elitism showing up in the Duty Finder already? That was quick.

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Elitism is everywhere lol some can handle this and others don't.

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

Maybe its not the group but you?

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you and the 48 other ppl that liked your comment are whats wrong with the duty finder, your response right of the bat is to insult.

stop standing in red circles and people wont hate you lol. duty finder is used for 1 or 2 reasons. to get through an instance as fast as possible. or a way to get into an instance and get loot.

If you are giving a sub par performance you are prohibiting those players from getting what they want. Now maybe you want to go into a instance and sight see and check everything out thats fine. but know what most everyone doesnt have this attitude.

DF is the 20 items or less express lane and you just queued up with a cart full of bad.....boom

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While I've primarily grouped with people from my FC, I did my first totally random group last night in Stone Vigil to try to catch up in XP for the main story. We got in, said our hellos and proceeded to destroy the dungeon. Defeated the last boss with no deaths during the whole dungeon, got our loot, said our goodbyes.

While it wasn't the most social group I've been in, the people certainly knew what they were doing and it made the experience much better for me. (it's a good chance they may have been a preform group from another server and needed a DPS filler)