The bot i found that SE wont do anything about

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Originally Posted by PeppinoTuna

<qr> Don't have Fraps? Had to record with the handheld camera? :p I'm only teasing. I agree with you, OP. It looks like a problem, but I'm wondering if/when they will take action. I wish my Archer could hit that far of a distance, LOL.

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Fraps is good but with my set up im at 1 step below max and adding anyother program other them my Mumble it will slow the FPS down alot. So i said ill just use my Ipod lol. I think i did ok one handed lol

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

All bots hurt the economy equally. Your friends who bot their crafts are no different from RMT. They're MMO bottomfeeders. They don't deserve to be the level they are. They don't deserve the profit from being that level. They don't deserve to spend the gil they earned. Someone else deserves whatever they get with that level, gil, profit, and everything they never earned.

No difference, at all. Botting players should be suspended on sight and banned at their next infraction.

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Who said they are earning gil? I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with almost everything you said. Not all bots are the same and not all botters are RMT. Your best bet is to just accept them because every game has them and they aren't going anywhere =)

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Who said they are earning gil? I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with almost everything you said. Not all bots are the same and not all botters are RMT. Your best bet is to just accept them because every game has them and they aren't going anywhere =)

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We are not playing Lineage Fantasy III, no matter what you say. Bots cheat their way to places that have to be earned with actual play.

A person that uses a bot doesn't care about playing the game. They certainly don't care about winning the game, since this is impossible to do in an MMO. Even if they aren't involved in RMT, they are engaged in activities that cheapen and distort game play experience for legitimate players.

if you "just accept" bots, then more and more people will use them, to the point where the game becomes a farce and unplayable, with no community whatsoever.

What's the point of "epic gear" in such an environment? None.

rmt is more then just selling gil
ppl sell character and items foir real money.

I can only talk about my server but lets be honest here, if they really cracked down on bots there would be at least 25% of the server missing and i'm guessing more like 40-45%. Just walking around Ul'Dah you see ppl who have been crafting non-stop all day and there is no way they have just been mindlessly pressing buttons for 12 straight hours. SE is in no position to lose that much of their player base. The only way to prevent that is to change up the crafting system so it can't be botted or its not worth using bots. But for right now, and far into the future, there is no way SE will bans these players.

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Originally Posted by Mal

I can only talk about my server but lets be honest here, if they really cracked down on bots there would be at least 25% of the server missing and i'm guessing more like 40-45%. Just walking around Ul'Dah you see ppl who have been crafting non-stop all day and there is no way they have just been mindlessly pressing buttons for 12 straight hours. SE is in no position to lose that much of their player base. The only way to prevent that is to change up the crafting system so it can't be botted or its not worth using bots. But for right now, and far into the future, there is no way SE will bans these players.

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And when that player base starts affecting the ability of new players to join and enter the game in the job that they want...?

Mind you, botters aren't even paying for the game yet, so their presence is nothing but detrimental to the game and SE at this moment. Botters should be removed, It is in SE's rights and interest to remove them, and the community will suffer if they are left alone. The very hint that botting is tolerated will only make botting- and the illegal activities that go with it- more pervasive.

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Originally Posted by Mal

I can only talk about my server but lets be honest here, if they really cracked down on bots there would be at least 25% of the server missing and i'm guessing more like 40-45%. Just walking around Ul'Dah you see ppl who have been crafting non-stop all day and there is no way they have just been mindlessly pressing buttons for 12 straight hours. SE is in no position to lose that much of their player base. The only way to prevent that is to change up the crafting system so it can't be botted or its not worth using bots. But for right now, and far into the future, there is no way SE will bans these players.

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I've crafted nonstop in ul'dah for several hours. I think one day I woke up at 7am and crafted until maybe 2-3am the next day ;o TV + controller + listening to when a synth is done on something you can't fail is an easy way to craft!

on Selbina server there is the same type of bot in mines and about 40 toons all in lvl 1 gear at the horizon camp spamming leves all w/ the same Sir name Sel. Has been reported rumerous times and they fail to do a damn thing about it. Frickin F2P games have better dealings w/ RMT than SE.

Why is everyone so against botting
botting is a natural part of this game





I mean how else are carpenters gonna get their lumber

I know that this is a touchy subject, seeing things that you encounter in-game, report and feel that "nothing is being done about it." We as a company continually strive to strike down RMT or other abuses down in any form. I ask that you do continue to send in your reports to the Special Task Force team as they work diligently to make Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.

You should let them build a fortune in gil, then ban the account to freeze the assets. That's a good way to get money out of the economy! Then we can lower NPC repair cost, once enough of these economy-inflating bastards are found :)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I know that this is a touchy subject, seeing things that you encounter in-game, report and feel that "nothing is being done about it." We as a company continually strive to strike down RMT or other abuses down in any form. I ask that you do continue to send in your reports to the Special Task Force team as they work diligently to make Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.

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But see, this thread is here because...working diligently is not succeeding at making Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.
This was reported to the STF multiple times. What is reporting it more going to accomplish?

Nothing.

I don't think they should be banned at all. I think their gil and/or gear and/or items should just be deleted intermittently for being acquired in an elicit manner. It's more amusing to screw with them intermittently than to ban them outright.

Honestly, botting exists in every MMO in some form, it's hard to essentially eradicate it.

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Originally Posted by Irondude

You should let them build a fortune in gil, then ban the account to freeze the assets. That's a good way to get money out of the economy! Then we can lower NPC repair cost, once enough of these economy-inflating bastards are found :)

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What about strike like a pinata instead of freeze the assets? I want to be showered in gil.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Honestly, botting exists in every MMO in some form, it's hard to essentially eradicate it.

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Stick a GM's face in front of that bot.
One bot dead.
Show them another one.

There are only 300 of them. I could crank that out in a day. They aren't even being secretive about it any more. We have crafting bots just sitting in limsa smith's guild cranking nuggets and bots that run 20 hours at a time in the field because no one's actually watching but the players.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Why is everyone so against botting
botting is a natural part of this game





I mean how else are carpenters gonna get their lumber

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Lol i kno rite?

Without bots, i would have to mine my own ore ALL the time. GASP.

seriously tho. death to botters ^^

Hell I can even point them to the bot website, but it doesn't prevent someone else from making new ones and deploying them, that's why MMOs have a botting problem rather minor or major, because unless you take away all freedom from the player, they will continue to exist.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Lol i kno rite?

Without bots, i would have to mine my own ore ALL the time. GASP.

seriously tho. death to botters ^^

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i had to make the joke :)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I know that this is a touchy subject, seeing things that you encounter in-game, report and feel that "nothing is being done about it." We as a company continually strive to strike down RMT or other abuses down in any form. I ask that you do continue to send in your reports to the Special Task Force team as they work diligently to make Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.

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If they were 'striving' that would mean they were doing something and if they were doing something the craft bots that have been sat in Limsa Lominsa on Lindblum for months wouldn't be there.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Hell I can even point them to the bot website, but it doesn't prevent someone else from making new ones and deploying them, that's why MMOs have a botting problem rather minor or major, because unless you take away all freedom from the player, they will continue to exist.

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No, the only reason bots exist is because the developers are too lazy to hire actual investigators. All bots look the same. All bots behave the same. How they're coded doesn't even matter. It'd be like our society that didn't hire any cops...just accountants that monitored for transaction and data anomalies. That's their approach because it's cheaper and in a perfect world that'd be the best solution.

But in this one, we just need GMs to watch these ****ers for 5 minutes. 5 minutes. Well sorry, that costs 11 bucks an hour. GM automatons cost almost nothing.

Therefore, you get the impotent STF and GM-less GMs.

Why not just use Beastman bounty hunters again for gathering bots, and then all you have to do from there is figure out how to deal with crafting bots. GM jail would be easiest, but just like in real life, most are just going to fall back into botting once they are out.

How do other MMOs usually deal with this, other than bans?

They use a gameguard/shield/process monitor type of software that catches the basics but are still circumvented, soo while they ban, bots of all types still pop up.

It's like roaches.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

And when that player base starts affecting the ability of new players to join and enter the game in the job that they want...?

Mind you, botters aren't even paying for the game yet, so their presence is nothing but detrimental to the game and SE at this moment. Botters should be removed, It is in SE's rights and interest to remove them, and the community will suffer if they are left alone. The very hint that botting is tolerated will only make botting- and the illegal activities that go with it- more pervasive.

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Thanks for the lesson but most of us realize what botting does to a game. I didn't say its a good thing or that I like it. What I am saying is that people are not being realistic to think SE is going to crack down on such a large percentage of their player base so early.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

They use a gameguard/shield/process monitor type of software that catches the basics but are still circumvented, soo while they ban, bots of all types still pop up.

It's like roaches.

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Not to mention that this software is essentially a rootkit you have to install to play the game which also makes your PC open to attacks since the software is not updated frequently enough. Plus, removing this type of software can potentially break your OS. So I REALLY hope SE won't decide to use something like that.

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Originally Posted by Mal

Thanks for the lesson but most of us realize what botting does to a game. I didn't say its a good thing or that I like it. What I am saying is that people are not being realistic to think SE is going to crack down on such a large percentage of their player base so early.

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Yes, botting gets us logs to make lumber for carpentry, weve already covered that

why are people so mean to us bots!

the game has a build in bot class for a reason :D

FF11 had the same issue. I knew players banned for rmt buying. I knew players hacked by rmt's. I watched as bots made the game more difficult or less fun because SE had to inact anti-botting measures. My opinion is if players want to buy gil then SE should sell it. I personally think this gives an unfair advantage and takes away from the game itself. If SE is not the one selling the gil then they need many strong measures to combat it, including having immediate investigation for a legitimate rmting claim. I think most players can deduce when there is botting occuring. RMTing activity is the only thing in the game that takes away from my enjoyment. Also, in 11 the rmters continually took advantage of the free trial offer. They got banned and came back again on a new free trial account. When SE finally does start charging I hope they do not give unlimited free trial offers without a credit card to back it up; I think that would help rmting activity decrease dramatically.

If enough evidence against a bot or RMT character has been found, instead of banning it, SE should flag that character as being able to be player killed.

Loads of entertainment, right there.

One thing about SE is they like to wait until they have a lot of bots on file. I know they are fighting bots, RMT, hackers, what have you. its smarter to wait til they find a good amount of them, flag them, watch what they do i.e who do they trade with, who has all the gil. its like the DEA who builds a case against a drug lord. let the lil fish swim so you can catch the big one. wait til they feel like nothings going to happen, then BAM, ban 50% of the server population for botting.

that'll take gil out of the economy and slowdown the networks of botters and RMT. banning 1 botter won't really do anything since RMT use stolen credit cards to buy and create accounts so he'll just make a new one.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If enough evidence against a bot or RMT character has been found, instead of banning it, SE should flag that character as being able to be player killed.

Loads of entertainment, right there.

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That would be super awesome and I think everyone would enjoy this!

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Originally Posted by Mal

Thanks for the lesson but most of us realize what botting does to a game. I didn't say its a good thing or that I like it. What I am saying is that people are not being realistic to think SE is going to crack down on such a large percentage of their player base so early.

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How are they part of the player base when they are not playing properly, if they are actual people at all? Do we have Carte Blache to Violate the Terms of Service until the Battle System gets updated?

What is realistic about giving such a false crowd more respect than the actual players? How long before that large percentage becomes untouchable like FFXI Windower?

My easy fix would be to just have 10 people per server ( GMS) who will pop up when a call is made to check it out. Just to watch it. for a few mins. A GM is quick to break up social issues . But S L O W to do anything related to the accual game other wise.

As for Bots getting ore and logs and what not. Thats what mining or logging is for go do it. And if your to Lazy to go minning or logging then go kill Coblyns or other Mobs thay drop mats also.

Like the Bot i posted up. Its killing Coblyns gaining Sp but moreover gaining all the ore drops from them.

If i can make the effort to OPEN peoples eyes to Bots and RMT type dealings, I think SE could put forth the effort to also. Hell SE ill do it in game if my game is free lol. On my server long as i can also enjoy this game. Just an idea.

Also to the Mod. the STF dosent do anything. When you report something to the STF and 3 weeks later the same Bot or other "strange" activity is going on ( like at Horizon ) It make the STF credibality fall like a stone. And when you call a GM and get the auto responce telling you to goto the website and report to the STF thats a lame cop-out. You can make a GM pop for "trival" things but when it comes down to the accual important issues for us players your not there. Like Bots and RMTs.

Again im glad i took the time to show you all the Bot and the "Strange" activities at Horizon. And iam also glad 99.8 percent of you all agree.

WE HAVE TO stay ontop of them or things will never improve. Again i ask if anyone else has any vids of curent bots or maybe the same "Strange" Horizon activities . MAke the vid and post it. The more proof we have the better.


Its sorta sad that we the players have to try to Police our own game. But in the end i think it will be for the better.

Thankyou all for trying to make OUR game a better game.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I know that this is a touchy subject, seeing things that you encounter in-game, report and feel that "nothing is being done about it." We as a company continually strive to strike down RMT or other abuses down in any form. I ask that you do continue to send in your reports to the Special Task Force team as they work diligently to make Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.

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I beg to differ Bayohne. i reported the RMT in my case 4 days ago and they are still gettin there leve groove on tonight; in all i saw around 17+ toons all w/ the begining name of "Sel" spamming horizon leves all lvl 1 geared all on THM or CON class most all of them are tarufels . They even had the trademark RMT names such as Missyou Kissyou King..... Angel etc. couldnt it be any more damn obvious. Either these RMT are half-retarded or they have came to realize that SE task force doesnt do crap and they can do as they please. It seems that the later is the correct assumption.
And thank your developers for farkin behest all up now i gotta warp to a nation outa my hometown to do rank 20 behest cus Ul Dah camps are overcrowed. Can i get a friggin anima refund for this bullshit.

From the over use of the term "work diligently" from SE I think I've misunderstood and thought this actually means hard work and probably actually means "we've gone out for drinks to congratulate each other for the job well done!"

Certainly the lack of any visible proof of this "diligent work" would explain that there's something lost in translation.

ya its like everyday at SE is opposite day rofl. I keep giving Se benefit of the doubt but .... yea maybe im just dreaming.

Well, here's an idea for SE to easily spot botters.

Ok, we all know the fabled, send a tell, they need to respond. Alot of Botting services have an auto response, ei:

GM: Hey there, just a GM checking in, how are you?

Bot: I'm not a bot!

GM: Ok, keep on trucking

Well firstly, why not an actual follow up question, say for example "are you experiencing much lag today?". If anything, 2 questions would be a bit harder to program. especially if they randomise the second question somewhat. ei: "what is your favorite rank to play on?

Secondly, for the botteers which run from point A to point B 20 hours a day. The GM's can impliment a tempory invisible wall. only a small one mind, about 2x the players width. Anyone who isnt botting would stop, scratch their head and try to move around this strange blockade. A bot would simply keep running at it until the timer says to turn left or right.

Kimiko x

I think it's true that SE need to think carefully before ban someone.
Because let's see this situation.

There's someone that have time to play all day all night because he's NEET/Hikikomori/Otaku that don't have work just have live to play the game, so he can play 24/7.He like to play DoH craft job so much but when he play it he just spam standard while he is watching some anime without any attention/fun of playing this game... but I don't know why he still playing lol. ( This is REAL human i know, and i think lot of ppl in this game doin like this ).

I saw him crafting all day all night in town so I think he's a bot for sure, so I send the bot report to STF.
What do they do?

Answer: They have to "investigate" first. They can't ban the person that you report right away.. And if they DO investigate and when they tell/talk with bot suspect and he/she can reply, talk with GM.. so.. what is it now? Is he/she really a bot or he/she is a NEET that can play 24/7? Or what if he/she didn't reply because he not pay much attention in game screen and didn't know there's some incoming tell... will GM ban him right away because of this?

Well... it too much possibility and as board's mod said, this is touchy subject. so please keep report and someday they'll get ban lol.

Agreed that SE need to crack down on this. And to people saying 'they're busy with other things' please remember what even Yoshi-P told us; they work in teams in certain sections. The STF do not work on updates. They aren't modellers, designers or directors. They're the STF, that's what they do, they're not busy with updates. It's their JOB to deal with this stuff so it's not unreasonable to ask them to do so.

I have noticed they are slow, someone said they're quicker to deal with offensive names and I haven't found that to be true. Months ago we had a retainer with a name I will not repeat on our server, they were active for months. I reported them and still saw them weeks/months later even though I was told they'd look into it.

Just make sure the crafter is actually paying attention. I don't how many time im watching a movie and i hardly ever pay more then 20% attention when grinding crafts. I usually have a movie on or im conversing with my fiance. Ive missed tells from many people. Its a monotonous process so im not surprised also the crafting action bar

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I know that this is a touchy subject, seeing things that you encounter in-game, report and feel that "nothing is being done about it." We as a company continually strive to strike down RMT or other abuses down in any form. I ask that you do continue to send in your reports to the Special Task Force team as they work diligently to make Eorzea more enjoyable for everyone.

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Yes so what about the suspicious massive Lalafell armies, should we do the same for those?