FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Who Wins?

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Originally Posted by Endu

Even against great hair & JRPG pretty boy good looks, The Doctor wins. After 35 years worth of him winning with only his razor sharp wit, a few cheeky quips and a sonic screwdriver, you would think people would know this....

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Pfft, Dr. Who Schmoo. All Thancred needs is a dagger and you're toast. XD

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

It's weird how bent out of shape some people are getting over a completely hypothetical topic. It's rather sad how a few are taking such a condescending tone with others about it

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I couldn't agree more. This image was created as a piece of humor, and people are picking it apart like a thesis.

We all know neither dragon completely destroyed either world. But, as Preypacer pointed out, I think most would have to agree that Bahamut came a whole lot closer than Deathwing ever did.

Deathwing One of the five dragon aspects and leader of the black dragonflight (though not leader over all dragons, as that falls to the dragon queen Alexstrasza the Life-Binder). Formerly Neltharion the Earth-Warder, charged with watching as the world of Azeroth changed and maintaining the boundaries and lines of delineation between the races so that none would fall to war over land. Madness and corruption from the Old Gods eventually twisted and changed him into Deathwing the Destroyer, the Aspect of Death. His explosive escape from Deepholm in an event called The Shattering creates earthquakes, chasms, tidal waves, and other natural disasters in certain areas of the world. He breathes fire across the land, and leaves his mark on parts of a few cities. But that is really the extent of his destruction of Azeroth.

Bahamut The king and superior of all dragons. It takes an ancient prison forged of both magic and machine to keep him at bay. This prison is Dalamud, which Eorzeans had believed to be the lesser moon, which is a testament to his massive size. Breaking free of the weakened structure and enraged after aeons of duress, Bahamut immediately starts to unleash his wrath upon the realm. Not only in the form of flame, but also of fiery shrapnel from pieces of the 'moon' that begin to plummet to the ground and destroy entire landscapes. The Circle of Knowing, with help from The Twelve Gods and Goddesses, attempt to reforge the prison but are unable. The spell is broken before it can be resealed. The only recourse is for Louisioux to teleport our brave adventures through time and space to safety, and does so just before Bahamut releases his most devastating attack, Mega-Flare. Bahamut's fury leaves entire areas unrecognizable (as evidenced in official ARR screenshots - nothing quite looks the same as it did in 1.0). Half the Twelveswood was laid to waste (the black shroud is definitely not so shroudy in the new screenshots). In fact, it's said that the land shouldn't be as lush and green as it is after only five years, but we'll get an explanation of that later.

Seriously, no reason to get bent out of shape from some internet humor.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I couldn't agree more. This image was created as a piece of humor, and people are picking it apart like a thesis.

We all know neither dragon completely destroyed either world. But, as Preypacer pointed out, I think most would have to agree that Bahamut came a whole lot closer than Deathwing ever did.

Deathwing One of the five dragon aspects and leader of the black dragonflight (though not leader over all dragons, as that falls to the dragon queen Alexstrasza the Life-Binder). Formerly Neltharion the Earth-Warder, charged with watching as the world of Azeroth changed and maintaining the boundaries and lines of delineation between the races so that none would fall to war over land. Madness and corruption from the Old Gods eventually twisted and changed him into Deathwing the Destroyer, the Aspect of Death. His explosive escape from Deepholm in an event called The Shattering creates earthquakes, chasms, tidal waves, and other natural disasters in certain areas of the world. He breathes fire across the land, and leaves his mark on parts of a few cities. But that is really the extent of his destruction of Azeroth.

Bahamut The king and superior of all dragons. It takes an ancient prison forged of both magic and machine to keep him at bay. This prison is Dalamud, which Eorzeans had believed to be the lesser moon, which is a testament to his massive size. Breaking free of the weakened structure and enraged after aeons of duress, Bahamut immediately starts to unleash his wrath upon the realm. Not only in the form of flame, but also of fiery shrapnel from pieces of the 'moon' that begin to plummet to the ground and destroy entire landscapes. The Circle of Knowing, with help from The Twelve Gods and Goddesses, attempt to reforge the prison but are unable. The spell is broken before it can be resealed. The only recourse is for Louisioux to teleport our brave adventures through time and space to safety, and does so just before Bahamut releases his most devastating attack, Mega-Flare. Bahamut's fury leaves entire areas unrecognizable (as evidenced in official ARR screenshots - nothing quite looks the same as it did in 1.0). Half the Twelveswood was laid to waste (the black shroud is definitely not so shroudy in the new screenshots). In fact, it's said that the land shouldn't be as lush and green as it is after only five years, but we'll get an explanation of that later.

Seriously, no reason to get bent out of shape from some internet humor.

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Well after the resolving of the Superman vs Goku argument, the internet needs SOMETHING to fill the message boards with.. ;)

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Saw this thread on the WoW forums, Looks like the majority of people agree that Bahamut would win. What do you guys think?

http://i.imgur.com/TKfbg.jpg

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I think they would have babies! \^o^/

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I think they would have babies! \^o^/

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CAN'T... UNTHINK... >.<

FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Which is the Girl Dragon!!?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Which is the Girl Dragon!!?

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None, the one you are talking about:

http://www.theotaku.com/submissions/...0808170633.jpg

And they can have babies:
http://www.donkeygamer.com/cms/data/upimages/sdb.jpg
^^

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Consolation prizes?
o.0

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You don't actually have to kill him to get the prize, you fight him until he hit's 1hp. After which he lifts off and the loot is dropped.

As for the versus debate, Bahamut. Case closed... Bahamut may have a physical representation, but is not really mortal, more like energy/aether given a form. While Deathwing can and does bleed.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

None, the one you are talking about:

http://www.theotaku.com/submissions/...0808170633.jpg

And they can have babies:
http://www.donkeygamer.com/cms/data/upimages/sdb.jpg

^^

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Nature finds a way! They would have little WoW-cloned BahaWings!

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Nature finds a way! They would have little WoW-cloned BahaWings!

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Both Deathwing and Bahamut are male, not sure what world you live in... but you can't just rub 2 sticks together and hope for an egg. In lore Deathwing does have offspring, but it does imply they were with another dragon aspect which was female.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Both Deathwing and Bahamut are male, not sure what world you live in... but you can't just rub 2 sticks together and hope for an egg. In lore Deathwing does have offspring, but it does imply they were with another dragon aspect which was female.

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You obviously did not get the reference! ^o^

Coming up on Maury:

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

You obviously did not get the reference! ^o^

Coming up on Maury:

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Your reference up here ~~~








My head level.

It's okay!

It's from Jurassic Park. All the Dinosaurs were female so they couldn't breed but "found a way" to breed anyway. XD

Well no wonder, if it's 2 female's a way can be found... 2 male's not so much... There are some creatures that can do that change now a day, but typically it's from F to M if needed, M to F i have not heard of.

....I don't want to think about this any more. o.o Is that okay?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

....I don't want to think about this any more. o.o Is that okay?

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Sure! Let's switch to a relevant visual comparison (that has nothing to do with dragon babies):

Deathwing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc

Bahamut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ

I don't know about anyone else, but Bahamut had me much more terrified than Deathwing.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Sure! Let's switch to a relevant visual comparison (that has nothing to do with dragon babies):

Deathwing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc

Bahamut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ

I don't know about anyone else, but Bahamut had me much more terrified than Deathwing.

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I think its the speech and the actions. Deathwing, in what I guess would be his first appearance, seemed to promise destruction. Said destruction in the video seemed more passive, where stuff would break from his mere approach.

Bahamut, had no speech, now he might have speech later, but this was pure unchained ferocity, a dragon at its height of fury. With an almost Orbital Frame approach to destruction, every target, every direction, everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Sure! Let's switch to a relevant visual comparison (that has nothing to do with dragon babies):

Deathwing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc

Bahamut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ

I don't know about anyone else, but Bahamut had me much more terrified than Deathwing.

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So to compare:
Bahamut in 3:48 of the video you can see his wing span is bigger then LL. The Key that fell from Dalmund is bigger in size then Deathwing alone. When Bahamut descends before they try to reseal him, he is bigger then L.Pandora in FF8, and that structure was massive. Deathwing is many times smaller. Same video 6:12 you can see in the background LL or part of LL is clearly destroyed and in ruin... so he does not miss when he fly's by LL in the cinematic.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

No it didn't...

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How do you know what happened after we were teleported?
I must of missed something here.
I am truthfully curious and would like to know, the detailed and true story of what happened.
Do you have a link to something maybe?

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

In Deathwing's case, he messed some places up, while entire other regions are left untouched. ...Further, cities are left standing in each case with only some damage done.

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just deathwing, eh? seems like selective bias.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

It's accurate to say that in the 2.5 years or so that he was freed, he failed to destroy the world.

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keep this in mind. we'll come back to it.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

On the other hand, Bahamut manages to change the face of pretty much all of Eorzea within minutes of emerging, changing entire climates in some cases from what we've seen. And I don't mean "making a long trench here, or a large crater there", I mean rendering the world pretty much unrecognizable to anyone who saw it during 1.0. Outside of the cities (which seemed to have been mostly spared, just like in WoW).

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this is exaggeration. first of all, we have to understand and accept that bahamut is being used as a convenient excuse for redesigning the game world, and he serves that function admirably. the dev team have even specifically commented that he mostly only messed up mor dhona and coerthas (though not *only* those areas- they just saw the worst of it). other places were completely untouched. all of thanalan, for example. other areas which were changed without being attacked were explained by the gravity from Dalamud's descent reshaping the land. while you could attribute this to bahamut, i don't think that's very fair considering it's entirely incidental.

and let's go back to your 2.5 years comment about deathwing, which is accurate enough. but look at the state of ARR- it appears just 5 years after the events ending 1.0. you're telling me he succeeded in destroying the world, and we rebuilt it all in just 5 years? i'm not buying it.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

And then there's the matter of the folks in XIV having to be actually teleported away to safety, or face certain annihilation. We don't know if that was everyone on Eorzea, or just those immediately within and around the cities. That remains to be seen... and perhaps something in ARR will explain all that.

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pretty sure devs commented on this, too- only players participating in the battles ending 1.0 were teleported away into the future. other people who were far away from the attacks, in lands which were untouched, were subsequently untouched themselves. not only is this evident through the simple fact that the chocobos all seem alive and well, but in ARR there will be a distinction between legacy and non-legacy players, where the legacy players will have slightly different dialogue and story than non-legacy, referencing the events ending 1.0. non-legacy players will get something a little different, and a little different flavor text from NPCs.

i think it's easy enough to assume that new non-legacy adventurers aren't 5 years old, so for them to exist at an adult age 5 years after Dalamud's descent, but be completely unaffected and uninvolved with that story arc- this seems to only underscore the implication that they were simply in different parts of the world at the time of those events, and were thus unaffected. unless they just appear out of the aether as fully functional adult beings? but that would ruin immersion, wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

I would have to say, with what we've seen of ARR (screenshots, videos, etc) and what we can see of Azeroth, and considering the effects each attack had on its respective world's population... I'd have to give it to Bahamut.

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and here we disagree on one point, in spite of agreeing on another. bahamut does seem to be the more powerful of the two, and many have covered perfectly valid points underlining why- but as has been pointed out several times now, bahamut also failed to destroy the world, and didn't even really destroy that much (again, unless you also credit Dalamud's descent with changing the landscape, but wouldn't that credit better belong to Darnus?). yes, some areas of azeroth were unaffected, but most of those were expansion areas far removed from deathwing's immediate reach. the entire vanilla azeroth was changed.

now, that said, it definitely took him a lot longer to accomplish that in relation to what bahamut did in a few seconds- so again, the scales seem to obviously tip in bahamut's favor here. so why go to so much trouble to disagree with certain points when i agree with the end assessment?

because the avenues people take in arriving to that assessment are often biased and inaccurate. and in the end, what's the point of a discussion board if people aren't free to disagree with particulars, whether they agree overall or not? because then it's just a bunch of people talking for the sake of talking, saying whatever they want without considering anything else, and that defeats the purpose of the discussion part of the forum, no?

Bahamut and Deathwing are both fire types.

http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/05...kemans_129.gif
^Would beat both of them. Hands down.

i think mega/giga/teraflare has generally been considered non-elemental, no? ;3

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Originally Posted by Aish

Bahamut and Deathwing are both fire types.

http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/05...kemans_129.gif
^Would beat both of them. Hands down.

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You mean this guy? XD


http://static.zerochan.net/Gyarados.full.496615.jpg


Yeah, I can see the possibilities for a grand battle.

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Originally Posted by Solace

How do you know what happened after we were teleported?
I must of missed something here.
I am truthfully curious and would like to know, the detailed and true story of what happened.
Do you have a link to something maybe?

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The burden of proof lies on you. You're the one saying that all of Hydaelyn was set on fire by Megaflare, when we only saw it hit near Limsa Lominsa, Mor Dhona and Coerthas. Pieces of Dalamud seem to do more damage, and we saw how little those actually did in the cutscenes in Coerthas for, I believe, Living on a Prayer.

I'd also take the End of an Era trailer with a grain of salt, seeing as the battle of Mor Dhona doesn't show Midgardsormr, the huge dragon that was wrapped around the Garlean airship. It was just a cinematic trailer meant to give us an awesome conclusion to 1.0, not be a 100% representation of the world.

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Originally Posted by Aish

Bahamut and Deathwing are both fire types.

http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/05...kemans_129.gif
^Would beat both of them. Hands down.

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No way! They're dragon types and dragon types are weak against Ice.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

No it didn't...

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How do you know what happened after we were teleported?
I must of missed something here.
I am truthfully curious and would like to know, the detailed and true story of what happened.
Do you have a link to something maybe?

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

The burden of proof lies on you. You're the one saying that all of Hydaelyn was set on fire by Megaflare, when we only saw it hit near Limsa Lominsa, Mor Dhona and Coerthas. Pieces of Dalamud seem to do more damage, and we saw how little those actually did in the cutscenes in Coerthas for, I believe, Living on a Prayer.

I'd also take the End of an Era trailer with a grain of salt, seeing as the battle of Mor Dhona doesn't show Midgardsormr, the huge dragon that was wrapped around the Garlean airship. It was just a cinematic trailer meant to give us an awesome conclusion to 1.0, not be a 100% representation of the world.

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I don't feel very burdened.
Some of us are just trying to have fun with this, while others like you are too busy jumping down peoples throats.

Thank you for misquoting me though.
I said and I quote "I assume it was covered by fire"..

I was asking you nicely but you choose to come back with an immature tone..
Disregard my honest question then.
I wasn't trying to be rude.. I just wanted to know..
Taught me not to talk to you like an adult, so thank you..

Anyway from the sound of your response I can tell you have little to no idea.
You were NOT there DURING mega flare..
You are ONLY talking about what you saw BEFORE everyone was teleported..
You do understand that those little fire balls he shot at first are NOT megaflare right?
Because it doesn't sound like you do..

So your logic boils down to "I'd take it with a grain of salt".
Yea that's some serious background checking you did there..
I am 100% sure you are right..lol..

So far the only one who has given some serious insight to this is Fusional.
Quoting the devs and what not. That is what I wanted to know. What REALLY happened.
I could care less about proving anything..

The battle between the grand companies and the empire didn't take place in Mor Dhona, but along the outskirts of Mor Dhona. So the airship/dragon corpse's visibility isn't a given, especially given all the other things going on at much closer range (Meteological changes, airships, the combat along the flats, Bahamut's rampage...)

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ndex.html#news

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

No way! They're dragon types and dragon types are weak against Ice.

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Even if that's true, Magikarp is 2D. All he has to do is turn sideways and they'll never see him coming. Until it's too late!

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

No way! They're dragon types.

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Here's the thing, Deathwing is a dragon, Bahamut is not. Bahamut is none elemental... He is strong against all element's, and has weakness to none. His attack's are none elemental as well. While Deathwing is fire/earth based. In all Final Fantasy game's Bahamut resist's all elemental attack's, and ignores all elemental defenses when attacking. Bahamut has been from the start to the end of all creation, while anything else in comparison is a flash and gone.

No he is a dragon-type pokemon, my pokedex says so so there.

He's not only weak against ice but he's also weak against other dragon-types.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

No he is a dragon-type pokemon, my pokedex says so so there.

He's not only weak against ice but he's also weak against other dragon-types.

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Arceus, would be the ONLY pokemon, that has overlapping characteristics with Bahamut.

Arceus is a Normal Type lol

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Arceus is a Normal Type lol

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None elemental is "normal type" translated in to Pokemon terms. Putting aside the eye gouging differences. They do share similarities. Biggest one is Power is unmatched, and uncontested.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

None elemental is "normal type" translated in to Pokemon terms. Putting aside the eye gouging differences. They do share similarities. Biggest one is Power is unmatched, and uncontested.

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The idea of Bahamut being taken down with "Low Kick" does not appeal to me. You're really reaching on this one.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

None elemental is "normal type" translated in to Pokemon terms. Putting aside the eye gouging differences. They do share similarities. Biggest one is Power is unmatched, and uncontested.

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No... normal type is a type... And it's weak against Fighting.

Arceus can actually change types, but it can't be all types or no type, meaning it will always be weak against something.

Only on these forums can we go from discussing bahamut vs deathwing to discussing pokemon!

I love this place! XD

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Only on these forums can we go from discussing bahamut vs deathwing to discussing pokemon!

I love this place! XD

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It's all fair in love, war, and RPG who's better debates.

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Originally Posted by Solace

You were NOT there DURING mega flare..

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Yo, all arguments aside... This had me crackin' up. Serious Business.



Also... Doctor Who > Thancred. :)

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Originally Posted by Endu

Yo, all arguments aside... This had me crackin' up. Serious Business.



Also... Doctor Who > Thancred. :)

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Sure, until Thancred eventually kills him. lol XD

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Sure, until Thancred eventually kills him. lol XD

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Your insanely large 1,280px × 720px signature is really annoying when it loads.