Rolling for loot!

What a joke. Something that doesn't need to be addressed will be looked into. Seriously the looting is fine as it is now and there are more important thing to fix than this right now. Seriously, are you guys are this much of pampered people? Just get the stuff and trade it once the party is done. Passing an item you don't want will require you to pass that item every freaking time it lands in a master loot as in XI if the person you party with doesn't loot on it, and will require the person that want the item in the loot to loot for it every time. Now just get all and trade once it's done. If you want to make the system greedy-proof because some greedo doesn't give stuff at the end, just don't party with the greedos. End of the story.

The only real issue will be later for HNM drops, but this could/can be easily fixed by implanting a company/guild loot system.

I agree with PandaTaru.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

What a joke. Something that doesn't need to be addressed will be looked into. Seriously the looting is fine as it is now and there are more important thing to fix than this right now.

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I agree that the looting system is certainly not one of the most important thing to fix, but I disagree when you say it doesn't need to be addressed.

Currently the looting system is totally unintuitive (having to open a window to loot, when you could do it in a single click, seriously?) and doesn't allow players not interested in some loots to give them fairly to the rest of the group (you can't give back randomly to whoever need the loot). Those two points are, in my opinion, a must have for a group-friendly MMO.

Considering that nearly every MMO on the market looting system verifies these properties, maybe my opinion is shared by a fair number of players.

Dungeons/Instances >>>>>>>>>> roll for loot..

We need content before we need frivelous stuff like this addressed.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

I agree that the looting system is certainly not one of the most important thing to fix, but I disagree when you say it doesn't need to be addressed.

Currently the looting system is totally unintuitive (having to open a window to loot, when you could do it in a single click, seriously?) and doesn't allow players not interested in some loots to give them fairly to the rest of the group (you can't give back randomly to whoever need the loot). Those two points are, in my opinion, a must have for a group-friendly MMO.

Considering that nearly every MMO on the market looting system verifies these properties, maybe my opinion is shared by a fair number of players.

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lmao either way you'd still have to open a window to loot or pass and if somebody is not interested in the loot, he can still ask who needs <whatever dropped in their inventory> and TRADE at the end of the party. That make this person be noticed by other party members as not being an ass/greedy and somebody friendly.

A loot system like there was in XI would just make greedo happier as they'd make a party sneakily set it so they get all the drop at some point. Or, somebody not interested in a loot pass it without anyone noticing and people that don't really bother/care to look at the loot window think that they magically get all the drops because they're so damn good and l33t. Already seen -- been there done that factor.

then I re-read some posts..
Farming parties with people changing the loot every couple of minutes. There are RMT posting and requesting features on this board? In years of playing FFXI, I have never heard of such parties besides done by RMT.

The only real issue with the current loot system will be with HNM... or instanced dungeons as I read they would add such content. That is the only real issue.
Right now everyone has his loot but at the same time is still able to pass an item if needed. If more that just one item, there's always the TRADE system. Once the party is done, trade to the person who wanted the items and make a new friend if that person wasn't already a friend before.


Gezz.

Why not just calculate loot by the character instead of by the mob/party? You help bring down a mob in a party, the loot you get would be the same as what you'd get if you brought something down solo.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

either way you'd still have to open a window to loot or pass

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Uh? In every MMO I know, the window is popping automatically in a corner of your screen. If you don't do anything about it, it's an auto-pass. Having to do more than a single click is substandard.

I have never played FF11, but if you had to click more than one to decide whether you wanted an item or not, then yes, it was substandard too. But it's ok, we are not discussing improvement for FF11, but for FF14 here.

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and if somebody is not interested in the loot, he can still ask who needs <whatever dropped in their inventory> and TRADE at the end of the party.

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Not really. In FF14 during a leve or a behest, you I end up with a load of crafting materials you may not care for. I certainly don't want to go through the hassle of asking who want them, having to divide them evenly and trade/give them to the party members who need them. So I basically vendor them all.

If someone ask me for a specific item I'll gladly give him, but that's it. I can't imagine doing better with a dozen of unknown items in my inventory in a (possibly not even speaking english) PuG. Asking for every item that drops if someone need it with the auto-translator? Sorry, I don't want to bother my group like that.

That's why we need a more intuitive and easy to use loot-system.

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The only real issue with the current loot system will be with HNM... or instanced dungeons as I read they would add such content. That is the only real issue.

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The inventory space and the crafting materials that keep dropping all the time are an issue. Really. Maybe after a while you don't care, but for the new player who started, or the casual who only play once in a blue moon, it's really annoying. Particularly if he is used to a more standard single-click system, which is the case of the majority of the MMO population.

Of course this issue is not an important one in comparison with, for instance, the current end-game content, but still an issue. And discussing the looting system is the whole point of this thread.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

then I re-read some posts..
Farming parties with people changing the loot every couple of minutes. There are RMT posting and requesting features on this board? In years of playing FFXI, I have never heard of such parties besides done by RMT.

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Really? Two people, who focus on different crafts, go out to fight mobs that drop a particular item for something one of them wants to make. Naturally, they will not just get only that one item. They will doubtless pick up other things. Likely, things they don't want or need, but the other person helping them wants, and vice versa. You telling me you've never heard of people helping each other out, and splitting the rest of the loot based on who will actually use it? Just for fun, you might want to think about things like this before you go throwing RMT accusations around.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

If more that just one item, there's always the TRADE system. Once the party is done, trade to the person who wanted the items and make a new friend if that person wasn't already a friend before.


Gezz.

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You mean the trade system that is unbearably slow and only allows you to trade four items at a time? The trade system that actually takes LONGER to use then passing items from loot when you actually get them? Maybe, if the trading issues were fixed, this could possibly be an option. But right now? No chance. If I'm fighting a mob with somebody else that's dropping feathers and sinews left and right that I don't want, I certainly don't want to spend a good chunk of time later playing the time-consuming trade game if I don't have to.

are there any big raid bosses lol or any items at all that are worth rolling over?
seems everything availible atm can be bought from someone in wards.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

Dungeons/Instances >>>>>>>>>> roll for loot..

We need content before we need frivelous stuff like this addressed.

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I agree. As things stand right now, there really isnt too much that players would even want to roll for. We need to have battle/party/boss/story/dungeon content first, and even then, have that content reward players with rare weapons/armor/crafting material/items that would encourage the need for rolling/lotting.

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

are there any big raid bosses lol or any items at all that are worth rolling over?
seems everything availible atm can be bought from someone in wards.

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Not at the moment. Thats another reason why I brought up the point in a suggestion topic to lower the overall ranks required for the current missions. That way, players can get to the meat of the story faster, and once more missions and bosses are added, lower/mid rank players will be able to roll right into them while higher ranks will have access to several missions in a row.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8278#post78278

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Originally Posted by Shaily

Really? Two people, who focus on different crafts, go out to fight mobs that drop a particular item for something one of them wants to make. Naturally, they will not just get only that one item. They will doubtless pick up other things. Likely, things they don't want or need, but the other person helping them wants, and vice versa. You telling me you've never heard of people helping each other out, and splitting the rest of the loot based on who will actually use it? Just for fun, you might want to think about things like this before you go throwing RMT accusations around.
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Don't feel offended and please don't twist what I wrote to try to make me pass for a douche. lol.

Wrong person to play this kind of game with. Really. I could go on for days twisting the way you got offended and thought that I was accusing you of being RMT when I didn't accuse anyone. I won't, so stop that crap it wasn't meant for you or anyone on the board. I just mentioned that this is the kind of thing RMT did in XI in a very sarcastic way.

I was talking about the guy in that thread who said he made reg parties and changed the master loot option that was in XI randomly to people in the party every couple of minute. I too did party, big word, duo/trio rather, to farm items in XI. big party like it has been mentioned and how he said was done, only RMT did this. Farming isn't lottery.


Auto pass option? Yeah, sure. I missed that or didn't understand what you meant. Other than that if it's to get the same stupid loot option we had in XI, no way. The current is much better in many ways for simple parties, why regress. Not even mentioning that, if it's to get the same loot option as XI, you'll lose more time passing the items every time one drop in the loot box than if you got all the drop in auto-loot and traded. 10sec x Xnumber of item vs a 30 second trade? Do the math. So auto-pass sure why not if it's only a by item feature.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

Don't feel offended and please don't twist what I wrote to try to make me pass for a douche. lol.

Wrong person to play this kind of game with. Really. I could go on for days twisting the way you got offended and thought that I was accusing you of being RMT when I didn't accuse anyone. I won't, so stop that crap it wasn't meant for you or anyone on the board. I just mentioned that this is the kind of thing RMT did in XI in a very sarcastic way.

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Please don't patronise me, I'm not a child. You did in fact say people posting in this thread were RMT, and in your original post saying it, you were not at all clear on who exactly you meant. "Farming parties" could mean big or small parties, and is not very specific. Saying that you were being sarcastic obviously was not clear, or I probably would not have reacted as strongly.

I am not trying to twist anything, nor am I trying to make you look bad. I am simply reacting to the words you wrote. I'm sure you can understand it's often difficult to understand the intent behind the words when all you can see is the words as they are written.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

I was talking about the guy in that thread who said he made reg parties and changed the master loot option that was in XI randomly to people in the party every couple of minute. I too did party, big word, duo/trio rather, to farm items in XI. big party like it has been mentioned and how he said was done, only RMT did this. Farming isn't lottery.

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I must have missed this post, I'll have to go look again. In truth I did not play XI, so can't say with any experience I know what you mean on this particular issue. I can't help but look at it as something real players may try, too, not just RMT. In another game I used to play, guild members would go out to fight mobs and get drops purely to get in-game money from the items, either for the guild or for themselves. They used it as a lottery system like that, but weren't RMT.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

Auto pass option? Yeah, sure. I missed that or didn't understand what you meant. Other than that if it's to get the same stupid loot option we had in XI, no way. The current is much better in many ways for simple parties, why regress. Not even mentioning that, if it's to get the same loot option as XI, you'll lose more time passing the items every time one drop in the loot box than if you got all the drop in auto-loot and traded. 10sec x Xnumber of item vs a 30 second trade? Do the math. So auto-pass sure why not if it's only a by item feature.

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The math there is based on a normal trade taking only 30 seconds. As I mentioned before, the trade system as it is now is incredibly slow and frustrating. I avoid using the trade system wherever I can because it's so clunky. Have a small pop up window in the corner that lets you roll or pass with one click is a quick and easy solution in parties, provided it runs with a faster speed than menu/trade window currently runs at.

Tbh, a lot of the issues i personally have with the current system would already be fixed by making the give range a lot bigger, because i do have to run back to my thaumaturge husband and give the items because he's standing too far away. Plus not being able to attack mobs while giving is also a gripe. If these things are fixed, then yes i agree it could be a good system.

Loot options:

Random (current)
Leader distribution (Good for Linkshells)
Shuffle (Each person gets 1 item until everyone gets one, then goes back in the same or a different order)
Lot/Roll

Let party leader select which one they want to set from a list, all party members can see what mode is currently selected. System fixed.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Loot options:

Random (current)
Leader distribution (Good for Linkshells)
Shuffle (Each person gets 1 item until everyone gets one, then goes back in the same or a different order)
Lot/Roll

Let party leader select which one they want to set from a list, all party members can see what mode is currently selected. System fixed.

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This is honestly the best compromise, perhaps add the XI 'Master pool' system where all see drops real time and pass/lot at will until drops just fall off to party members. Something nice to complement this would be a loot pool widget for with mouse support for one hit lotting/passing. Parties and loot are just too diverse for this current system, farming with friends is a perfect example. And finally, no it doesn't need to be addressed NOW but it most certainly must be addressed before new content that awards rare/exclusive drops from NMs is released.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Either way, it's random assignment of loot. Adding manual intervention between the kill and the loot drop does not make me happy at all.

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No its not there's a difference when the group decides to pass on an item to give it to a certain group member, and when the item randomly goes to a person in the group and he's too greedy to pass it off.