SE is always SE... Rage inside... :/

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Originally Posted by Kallera

No one said you were guaranteed a spot, CE is not some handicap licence you can wave to get the space in front of the store. stamping your feet on the forums won't change anything.

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I have a friend on FB that RIGHT NOW is telling me why he can't enter in alpha.

and after many talk guess what? He was trying to login from the OLD CLIENT, he don't even know that ARR is a completely new client and that the alpha start on 28.

SO i don't have tho whine about this? Expecially when the requirement said that only active account would be able to apply in alpha. Bah. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Aion

but they able to apply with inactive account.... is it working as intended?

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In which case, it may have been a glitch, because I had one friend who tried to apply with an inactive account, but the alpha registration page rejected him, or so he said. The fact that Dragonheart's friend managed to apply with an inactive account puzzles me.

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Originally Posted by Aion

dragon,may I confirm this, did your friend apply for the alpha?

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People which didnt play for long have somehow priority. a friend of mine who got my "Friends-Pass" just got the invite. Funny thing.. he said himself that he dont have an idea what he should test, since he has little to zero experience in FFXIV, since he basically just played the trial and the last Month to experience the end. May it is a good idea to let people test 2.0, which did not stick with 2.0 to see if they would stick with it now... but after all i dont see a point in doing that during a Stress-Test. They would prolly expect more than an Alpha-Test has to offer. looks like the Sword of Damocles to me.

I guess the Mainproblem in this Thread is that certain people got invites to the Alpha with an inactive Account, while the Applicationform says that you need to have an active one.

Maybe "those people" are just messing around tho, who knows.

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

Im still not convinced OP's friend applied >_> sounds like a big troll to the OP. Especially, since yknow..they're not supposed to say if they DID get in e.e;

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Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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Originally Posted by Nero

People which didnt play for long have somehow priority. a friend of mine who got my "Friends-Pass" just got the invite. Funny thing.. he said himself that he dont have an idea what he should test, since he has little to zero experience in FFXIV, since he basically just played the trial and the last Month to experience the end. May it is a good idea to let people test 2.0, which did not stick with 2.0 to see if they would stick with it now... but after all i dont see a point in doing that during a Stress-Test. They would prolly expect more than an Alpha-Test has to offer. looks like the Sword of Damocles to me.

I guess the Mainproblem in this Thread is that certain people got invites to the Alpha with an inactive Account, while the Applicationform says that you need to have an active one.

Maybe "those people" are just messing around tho, who knows.

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yep, we just need clarification for this one.

one word: promotion for people who quit long time ago.

Maybe so but...I still think the OP is being massively trolled by his buddy <.<

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Originally Posted by Colino

Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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But then to bring it to attention on the OFFICIAL FORUMS? Which means that you've been in contact with people who breach NDA and hereby signifying that maybe you won't be a person who will also follow NDA? Meaning that you'll get less of a chance to get into alpha testing?

Maybe I'm the only one who sees the irony in this.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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In all the alphas/betas I've been in, the NDA included that you cannot tell ANYONE not in public nor in private that you are a tester. Not even the people who lives with you.

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

Im still not convinced OP's friend applied >_> sounds like a big troll to the OP. Especially, since yknow..they're not supposed to say if they DID get in e.e;

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I saw the email on skype with webcam of one, and other copy pasted the text for apply on ts, and most important thing.. We are friend since FFXI usa release (or even before).

And if this is not enough, a lot of people are posting in 2 of the most important italian (where i look like a SE PR cuz i opened many official thread and answering every question to anyone) sites that they got the apply (of course without pay anything in past).

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

But then to bring it to attention on the OFFICIAL FORUMS? Which means that you've been in contact with people who breach NDA and hereby signifying that maybe you won't be a person who will also follow NDA? Meaning that you'll get less of a chance to get into alpha testing?

Maybe I'm the only one who sees the irony in this.

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I'm not sure how a friend or a person I know being dishonest or not following NDA has any effect on me.

Do the cops give you bad looks if one of your friends or acquaintances commits a crime? That's such an ass-backwards logic.

Not to mention the fact that you think SE handpicked testers rather than using an automated system is laughable at best. They don't peruse the forums to pick testers, they use a script and invite people who follow the criteria put into the script.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

In all the alphas/betas I've been in, the NDA included that you cannot tell ANYONE not in public nor in private that you are a tester. Not even the people who lives with you.

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I know, I never said it didn't. That doesn't change the fact that some people are dishonest (or whatever you want to call them, dishonest is such a strong word) and will tell their friends/family anyway.

I'm not playing devil's advocate and saying it's totally cool to tell everyone, I'm just saying some people do it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

No, they just applied with the inactive account, without any problem, just like we did with the active account. Read what i was thinking in my previuous post.

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My account was inactive when It was first announced and It was refused because I did not have an active FFXIV account. I came back to the game 2 months before close and applied then. You must be getting trolled because you was unable to apply unless your account was paid for.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

But then to bring it to attention on the OFFICIAL FORUMS? Which means that you've been in contact with people who breach NDA and hereby signifying that maybe you won't be a person who will also follow NDA? Meaning that you'll get less of a chance to get into alpha testing?

Maybe I'm the only one who sees the irony in this.

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It certainly doesn't make the OP look like a trustworthy person to test alpha.

I wouldn't be surprised if they prioritized people who DIDN'T have a posting history on The forums, or at least with little involvement in it's flame wars.

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Originally Posted by tobyx

I understand the rage.

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I don't, at all.

It's an alpha test of a video game, something that's incomplete and still full of bugs (otherwise it'd be called a 'beta'), rage is an entirely irrational emotion and a worrying sign.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I wouldn't be surprised if they prioritized people who DIDN'T have a posting history o. The forums, or at least with little involvement in it's flame wars.

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I wouldn't either, but then again there are other outlets such as guild websites, xivpads (where people HAVE mentioned being invited) and many other forums.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

I don't, at all.

It's an alpha test of a video game, something that's incomplete and still full of bugs (otherwise it'd be called a 'beta'), rage is an entirely irrational emotion and a worrying sign.

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someone able to apply the alpha without having active account...is it ok for you?

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Originally Posted by Colino

Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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You keep hearing it because it's true, and your interpretation of the NDA is plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

You keep hearing it because it's true, and your interpretation of the NDA is plain wrong.

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It's not my interpretation, I'm just stating facts. I feel like you did not read this bit:

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Originally Posted by Colino

I'm not playing devil's advocate and saying it's totally cool to tell everyone, I'm just saying some people do it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aion

someone able to apply the alpha without having active account...is it ok for you?

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Yes. If they need more testers due to lack of responses, they'll send for more testers.

They are looking for bodies to follow instructions for their testing effort. First and foremost.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Yes. If they need more testers due to lack of responses, they'll send for more testers.

They are looking for bodies to follow instructions for their testing effort. First and foremost.

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the problem is not someone did not get invite event though they apply and have active account... but someone who applied with inactive account...do you think it is working as intended??

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Originally Posted by Colino

I'm not sure how a friend or a person I know being dishonest or not following NDA has any effect on me.

Do the cops give you bad looks if one of your friends or acquaintances commits a crime? That's such an ass-backwards logic.

Not to mention the fact that you think SE handpicked testers rather than using an automated system is laughable at best. They don't peruse the forums to pick testers, they use a script and invite people who follow the criteria put into the script.

I know, I never said it didn't. That doesn't change the fact that some people are dishonest (or whatever you want to call them, dishonest is such a strong word) and will tell their friends/family anyway.

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You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so. Same with NDA; as far as I know, it's like a contract between you and the company who issued it. You break it, you suffer.

I never said SE handpicked testers. Thank you for putting words in my mouth. It's a whole lot different between picking testers and viewing who's breaching NDA and crossing their name off the list.

And why can't they? All it takes is for one of the reps to see who's posting non-NDA approved material, check their account, and cross their name of the list. God knows we have people actively admitting to breaching the NDA on the Official Forums of all places.

Certainly they can't monitor other places. But Official Forums is their own turf; if anyone's dumb enough to post material, and they pick up on that guy, well then. His own fault, not SE's.

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Disclosure of Proprietary Information

As stated in the “FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Tester Agreement,” testers are prohibited from publicizing any proprietary information related to the Alpha Test on external sites. In the event that we confirm that infringement has occurred, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.

We will announce if and when Alpha Test-related details can be publicized, so please take great care in their handling until they have been made public. For feedback and discussions between testers, please use the dedicated tester forum, which will open at a later date.

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And as for knowing a friend being dishonest having no impact on you whatsoever? Then why the hell does ARR still have the stigma of 1.0 hanging over it? Why do police routinely patrol the same areas of a city where violence is more prominent, even if certain residents are pure as angels?

The fact that Dragonheart is pretty much crowing about knowing lots of people with invites means that he's probably not trustworthy to abide by the NDA. If he knew a dishonest friend, but kept silent, that's a different story.

"Let sleeping dragons lie." Dragonheart's just provoking the dragon, even if he's not a tester himself. Quoted from Bayohne's post:

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As Alpha Test content is under NDA, it is not allowed to be posted on official and external websites, including by users that are not Alpha testers. If you're unsure whether the information you want to post has been officially released, we ask that you refrain from posting it.

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It's pretty much black and white. No grey middle leeway for you to talk about the NDA. Heck, even me talking in this post may be a breach of the NDA itself.

but someone who able to apply alpha with INACTIVE account should become issue, dont you think so?

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

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Oh for fuck's sake.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I'm not playing devil's advocate and saying it's totally cool to tell everyone, I'm just saying some people do it anyway.

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Again, I never said it was right, or cool or anything at all. All I said was that regardless of the NDA, people will breach to tell their friends etc etc.

I'm not trying to find loopholes in the NDA or anything like that, I'm tired of repeating this and it's getting a bit ridicolous tbh.

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Originally Posted by Aion

the problem is not someone did not get invite event though they apply and have active account... but someone who applied with inactive account...do you think it is working as intended??

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I do not know the particulars of the agreement within the email, but SE is looking for a sample population of testers. If they AGREE to partake in the testing for Alpha, SE is happy. If there are not enough responses, SE sends for more. If people are breaking the agreement SE responds accordingly, (bans and legal action) and send for more testers.

This mysticism about game testing is why actual game testers get terrible pay and little in the way of benefits, despite playing games to find bugs is a hell of a lot more tedious than you think, especially when your job depends on it.

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Originally Posted by Colino

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

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Oh for fuck's sake.

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Originally Posted by Aion

but someone who able to apply alpha with INACTIVE account should become issue, dont you think so?

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That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:

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Application Requirements

- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account
- Must be at least 18 years of age
- Must be willing to participate actively and submit bug reports in at least one of the following languages: Japanese, English, French, German
- Must have a PC that meets the minimum system requirements of the game

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However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:

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How are the participants of the alpha test selected?

We will select participants based on the information that is provided during the application process. Unfortunately, we cannot specify what criteria we will look for in the application.
* Please note that we will not be selecting participants in the order that the applications were received.

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And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

How does anyone even know if they registered with inactive FFXIV account, sounds like load of crap from a whiny entitled little bitch.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:



However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:



And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

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Not exactly sure, but I applied while my account was inactive and it DID NOT ALLOW IT. Only after was I allowed to apply.

Can anyone tell me where it says you can not tell anyone that you are in the alpha?

It is not a secret there will be alpha testing, it even says so on the official page. How can it hurt anyone at all knowing that person X is an alpha tester or not?

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:



However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:



And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

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I dont have issue with someone who apply the alpha, even though they wont attend the test..as long the application process is working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Oh for fuck's sake.



Again, I never said it was right, or cool or anything at all. All I said was that regardless of the NDA, people will breach to tell their friends etc etc.

I'm not trying to find loopholes in the NDA or anything like that, I'm tired of repeating this and it's getting a bit ridicolous tbh.

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Then why did you bring it up in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Colino

Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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That's because it is precisely a contract between you and SE to not let anyone know about the alpha testing going on. Be it private or not, YOU ARE BREACHING NDA. People are merely reinforcing it; I don't see what's wrong with pointing out facts and rightful words.

As you find my posts ridiculous, I find your posts equally as ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Can anyone tell me where it says you can not tell anyone that you are in the alpha?

It is not a secret there will be alpha testing, it even says so on the official page. How can it hurt anyone at all knowing that person X is an alpha tester or not?

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I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

Not exactly sure, but I applied while my account was inactive and it DID NOT ALLOW IT. Only after was I allowed to apply.

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In which I also stated my confusion a few pages back.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

In which case, it may have been a glitch, because I had one friend who tried to apply with an inactive account, but the alpha registration page rejected him, or so he said. The fact that Dragonheart's friend managed to apply with an inactive account puzzles me.

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It should be looked into. But we should still avoid NDA-breaches. I'll keep saying it, just like how people keep nit-picking on animations or grass or whatever. Find it annoying, deal with it.

FF fans are the biggest bunch of whingers. I have more than 1 account, probably payed more to play FFXIV than most people who are in alpha, do I complain, no.
We were told very emphatically that not everyone would get into alpha and that legacy status was no guarantee of anything. When we were given Legacy status it was quite clear what the rewards were and getting into alpha was not listed.
Now go and whinge about something else.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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IIRC, the fact that you are in alpha is subject to NDA, meaning that knowing someone is in alpha breaches the NDA. Either way, best to be on the safe side in any case.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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That is exactly what I think. Who cares if I am in the alpha test or not ... as long as I do not post anything about the content or status of the game, server etc. I do not see how it would cause trouble.

Not saying I am in or out of the alpha, but I simply do not get all the wannabe police officers here going all nuts on people saying a friend of them got into alpha ....

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

IIRC, the fact that you are in alpha is subject to NDA, meaning that knowing someone is in alpha breaches the NDA. Either way, best to be on the safe side in any case.

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Not trying to be a pain, but how are you getting to this conclusion? Really, just asking since I do not seem to get it :P

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Then why did you bring it up in the first place?

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I brought it up because some people were marveled at the fact that OP had been told from a friend that he had received an invite.

I simply stated that while this friend clearly should not have told him, it happened anyway, and despite the NDA clearly stating you shouldn't, this is something that happens.

I didn't bring it up to say it's cool, I didn't bring it up to say it's fun and totally ok, I brought it up because it's happening anyway and that is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That's because it is precisely a contract between you and SE to not let anyone know about the alpha testing going on. Be it private or not, YOU ARE BREACHING NDA. People are merely reinforcing it; I don't see what's wrong with pointing out facts and rightful words.

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I never said there's anything wrong with it. What I said was that bringing up the NDA does not change the fact that some people breeched it anyway, you get me?

I'm not being passive agressive or anything, I'm just saying it happened and that's that.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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No, it does say in the NDA you should not inform anyone. It's even been quoted a couple of posts ago.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

That is exactly what I think. Who cares if I am in the alpha test or not ... as long as I do not post anything about the content or status of the game, server etc. I do not see how it would cause trouble.

Not saying I am in or out of the alpha, but I simply do not get all the wannabe police officers here going all nuts on people saying a friend of them got into alpha ....

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Well, it's his own fault. It certainly makes him seem less trustworthy to be able to abide by the NDA - if SE wants to their chances with such a person, fine by me. Is cautioning people nowadays that annoying? Is that what our generation had descended down to?

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Not trying to be a pain, but how are you getting to this conclusion? Really, just asking since I do not seem to get it :P

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It was a post somewhere long back when alpha news first started, where devs cautioned us, and someone (forgot if it was a dev or a fellow forum poster) mentioned about how strict NDA can be even about your participation in alpha.

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Originally Posted by Colino

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If his friend brought it up to him, that's fine. But I felt that him posting it onto the Official Forums marks Dragonheart as indirectly guilty of breaching NDA as well. And that Dragonheart may suffer the consequences as outlined in the alpha registration page.

(Maybe I got on a bout of misunderstanding, in which case I apologise. :| )