Why is everyone just jumping around in the alpha footage?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

You two need to get a room a jump up and down on a bed or something...

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LOL

He would refuse to jump with me. It wouldn't be very fun. :(

Plus, my standards are too high. =/

lol ppl don't realize that Yoshi-P must have asked them to do so as stress test ...you gotta make sure you can jump on every lil piece of land on game ..surely a player will make a thread about not been able to do so at certain spot when game releases XD

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

LOL

He would refuse to jump with me. It wouldn't be very fun. :(

Plus, my standards are too high. =/

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Ya, I'm the no fun zone.

You probably should bring em down a bit, probably why you are still single. As for me, I don't have a standard.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

So are mine.

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Right, how could you ever jump around with someone who thinks that jumping is okay if other people want to do it? I don't think I'll ever find love in this sad, judgmental world, that won't accept me for my acceptance of jumping.

P.S. What makes you think I'm single? :) Are you?

P.P.S. I really like how you edited your original post to make yourself seem more like a bad boy that 'just doesn't care'. First you have high standards, then you have none. I really can't believe I'm allow myself to argue with you. Now I just feel dumb. I guess you won.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Right, how could you ever jump around with someone who thinks that jumping is okay if other people want to do it? I don't think I'll ever find love in this sad, judgmental world, that won't accept me for my acceptance of jumping.

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You know... I think you made me realize where my troubles on jumping originated.... When I was a kid, I was jumping on my bunk bed and, well... I fell off and almost broke my hand. That's probably why I don't like jumping, I don't want to see others get hurt like I did.

Normally, I'd be all, "Oh, wow, that makes a lot of sense! I'm so sorry that happened to you!"

But then I remember how you've treated everyone, and I find it hard to pity you after everything else you've said. Plus, how does jumping IRL equate to jumping in a game?

Also, one more question: what's your psychological reason for disliking goobbues, then? Did one attack you when you were little too?

It's getting a little hot in here...

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Originally Posted by Matsume

It's getting a little hot in here...

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It's the only way I know how. ;P

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I don't have a standard.

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Which could mean two things. You are asexual or you have a busted face.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Normally, I'd be all, "Oh, wow, that makes a lot of sense! I'm so sorry that happened to you!"

But then I remember how you've treated everyone, and I find it hard to pity you after everything else you've said. Plus, how does jumping IRL equate to jumping in a game?

Also, one more question: what's your psychological reason for disliking goobbues, then? Did one attack you when you were little too?

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I can just tell you are single, I smell the pheromones from here.
I actually treat people very good, ask Matsume.
Because, reason why we have jumping in game because we can jump in real life, if we couldn't we wouldn't think of jumping in a game.

Goobuus are fine, I don't wanna degrade them to riding toys.

When me and my friend where watching the live letter we where like
"Dude u kno they gonna bitch about all the people jumping in the forums right?"
"Dude i was just thinking of that"

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I can just tell you are single, I smell the pheromones from here.
I actually treat people very good, ask Matsume.
Because, reason why we have jumping in game because we can jump in real life, if we couldn't we wouldn't think of jumping in a game.

Goobuus are fine, I don't wanna degrade them to riding toys.

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True Story. Rokien and I get along very well. We don't see each other in game very often persay but whenever we do we always havea good time and never at the expense of others. I don't understand why people get so offended by Rokien expressing his personal opinion on a topic.

I didn't see Rokien threaten anyone in order to defend his personal opinion but I do see some playful threats towards him such as jumping next to him after he tells you he dislikes being jumped next to...

I don't know about you but all this talk of jumping has gotten me hot and bothered >.>

2gil

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Originally Posted by Zeno-Ira

maybe they should limit jump, so you can jump every 10 seconds or so~

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dont know why people want so many limitations in games which promote freedom

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I can just tell you are single, I smell the pheromones from here.

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I feel like I'm being trolled, but I'm going to fall for it anyway.

I'm not single. I've been with someone for years. We are getting married. Take it or leave it, but you're dead off. However, I now know where you stand in the marital status category.

And, you don't treat people well, at least not in this thread. I made a post saying if you don't like jumping, don't use it, and you told me my argument was stupid and then went on a tangent about how you refuse to jump in the game 'no matter what'. It got to such a point that I thought you were trying to toy with me... then I realized you were serious. And my examples of how you treat people are not just limited to me. I've seen other things you've said in this thread that seem argumentative and antagonistic.

Matsume: there's always different sides to people, but he honestly started in with me. Go back and see where he quoted me for the first time, and told me my argument was stupid. My 'argument' wasn't an argument, and, like you say he does, I was just stating my personal opinion.

How this got to a level of him accusing me of being single... well, how can you defend that? Lol

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Which could mean two things. You are asexual or you have a busted face.

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I'm actually very good looking. Nor asexual, thanks for trying to get to know me on a personal level though~

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I'm actually very good looking. Nor asexual, thanks for trying to get to know me on a personal level though~

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This only calls for one thing.... GUAPO-OWFF!

You post a picture and I post a picture. The one with the most "woo~" sounds and likes is declared the loser. What?

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

This only calls for one thing.... GUAPO-OWFF!

You post a picture and I post a picture. The one with the most "woo~" sounds and likes is declared the loser. What?

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I support this. I will gladly judge people I don't know on the internet. :D Please post pictures. (Disclaimer: I'm not going to tell anyone I think they're ugly, or insult the fiber of their being, or anything. I'll just say which one I think is more attractive, and leave it at that. Anything more and it's just mean.)

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I'm betting you all my 2k gil that he is telling the alpha people to jump in spite of all the jump haters.

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This. I like to think so as well.

Give it some time. Once people had their fun, they wont be jumping so much.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I can just tell you are single, I smell the pheromones from here.
I actually treat people very good, ask Matsume.
Because, reason why we have jumping in game because we can jump in real life, if we couldn't we wouldn't think of jumping in a game.

Goobuus are fine, I don't wanna degrade them to riding toys.

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Eh starting your comment with a douche and derogatory comment and later claiming your nice just shows how much of a douche you are. But meh you are Rokien aleays wasting post space on the Internet.

I'm waiting.......

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

Eh starting your comment with a douche and derogatory comment and later claiming your nice just shows how much of a douche you are. But meh you are Rokien aleays wasting post space on the Internet.

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Finally! Someone else who sees it! <3

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

I'm waiting.......

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You actually shut him up. I'm impressed!

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Matsume: there's always different sides to people, but he honestly started in with me. Go back and see where he quoted me for the first time, and told me my argument was stupid. My 'argument' wasn't an argument, and, like you say he does, I was just stating my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

If you don't like it, don't jump? Lol. I really don't see an issue with it. I do like the fact that I can now jump up a cliff that is only 2 feet high, rather than being forced to go around it because my character, despite conquering the many trials of Eorzea, can't figure out how to climb up ledges yet.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

That's is the worst argument ever created, "don't like it!? Don't use it!" There is no substance to that statement. Pisses me off when people say it.

All they had to do was let your char, slide or step up/down. There, I fixed that problem for you and they didn't have to code in new animation.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I just can't believe that some people are SO OFFENDED by the inclusion of jump. You really think my comment of 'if you don't like it, don't use it' is an argument? It's the truth, plain and simple. I'm sorry you are apparently so offended by something, and must find SOMETHING to complain about while the servers are down.

If people seriously don't like jump, get over it. You're not being forced to use it, unless it will be included in fights, where you must jump over certain things (which makes sense, because, why would great heroes of Eorzea be limited to standing and running and die in a fire because they couldn't jump over it)? SE is looking to make the game more fast-paced. Introducing jump caters to the inclusion of all sorts of abilities that monsters may now use. When I say the 'novelty of it will wear down', I mean that you won't find people jumping up and down everywhere you go. What you don't consider is if the ability to jump will have any utility...

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Welp, guess I wont beable to do those fights, because just like the goobuu, I'm never using the jump system. This is NOT AN ACTION MMO, THERE IS NO NEED FOR JUMP, JUMP IS STUPID.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

That's a solid argument there, bro. I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or not, and that is unsettling in itself. But, that's okay if you refuse to use jump... I didn't want you in my endgame instances anyway! (If I was a more spiteful person -- I would find you when they introduce a fight that requires jump, witness you use it, and call you a hypocrite with this post as evidence just because of the insults you have thrown at every single person who has a slightly different opinion than you. You can have a different opinion without insulting others, by the way, and your rudeness is ticking off more people than just me.)

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Sorry, I'll dumb down what I said.
The first part you made a remark saying this is new to FF mmo, so I was also saying jumping is new to the Souls games. Demon souls didn't have jumping, Dark souls does.

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Collective Knowledge is, how you say, smarter than one persons knowledge. It's an instance where not one person is correct but everyone is right. So, some people think jumping is a great thing others don't , like me. So it's obvious the best solution would to create a system like FFXIII. Where you go to a ledge and a prompt comes up saying "hey press x to jump over this." That way you can have your stupid little jump animation and go over stupid little things. I also don't have to deal with your stupid animation all over town.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

That settles it.

I am going to find you, and I am going to jump next to you.

P.S. If you want to get really technical, your main job (I'm assuming that's your main job) functions on jumps, right? RIGHT!?

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>Rokien: Explains his disgust at the Jump feature.
>Ryuko: If you don't like it then don't use it.
>Rokien Expresses his disgust for that "argument" calling it a stupid argument and offers an alternative to jumping.
>Ryuko: Claims Rokien is offended. Claims "don't like it don't use it" was not an argument but rather the truth. Introduces arguments: instanced jumping, combo jump + abilities
>Rokien: FFXIV not an action game therefore jumping is not needed. Claims jumping is stupid.
>Ryuko: Sarcastic remark about the strength of Rokien's argument ^ Followed up by a "if i were someone else" threat to humiliate Rokien. Calls Rokien Rude and Insulting.
>Rokien: Clarifies his previous alternative to jumping based on FFXIII and "collective concious".
>Ryuko: Threatens to find Rokien and Jump next to him to annoy him.

Yes Rokien called your argument stupid, then you claimed it wasn't an argument. So by process of retroactive elimination your argument is not an argument and therefore not stupid. However it offers no room to discuss an alternative to jumping and is more of an "in your face" statement.

Despite the loose and mostly subjective nature of both of your arguments Rokien never insulted you directly nor called you stupid bur rather called jumping as a whole stupid as well as your "dont like it dont use it comment" stupid.

You, however, did call him rude and insulting on your and other player's behalf then continued to threaten him via jumping besides him for no other reason than to insult and annoy him. At no point does Rokien insult you nor threaten you for upholding your like but jumping.

Did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

How this got to a level of him accusing me of being single... well, how can you defend that? Lol

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

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Originally Posted by Matsume

You two need to get a room a jump up and down on a bed or something...

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LOL

He would refuse to jump with me. It wouldn't be very fun. :(

Plus, my standards are too high. =/

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Ya, I'm the no fun zone.

You probably should bring em down a bit, probably why you are still single. As for me, I don't have a standard.

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That was actually partly my fault. I made what I thought was a light hearted and harmless joke by posting that the two of you should get a room and jump on a bed together thinking it would ease the tension in this thread.

Your next response was a direct insult towards Rokien claiming that he is not up to your standards (somehow I think this was more personal than just about jumping). Rokien, feeling attacked on a personal level, retaliates by twisting your own standards against you, calling you single and suggesting you lower your standards.

That's pretty much it. You decide.

Edit: fixed the nested quotes

Alpha tests are server stability tests so... having a bunch of players crowded in one area and doing complex animations (jump) is probably putting the server through it's paces.

lol@jump haters

Awfully quiet in here all of a sudden huh?

Still waiting........ :::crickets:::

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You know... I think you made me realize where my troubles on jumping originated.... When I was a kid, I was jumping on my bunk bed and, well... I fell off and almost broke my hand. That's probably why I don't like jumping, I don't want to see others get hurt like I did.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

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Somehow TinTin characters and memes don't mix very well...

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I think they just want to show how well the engine and server handles that many players.

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i agree with u some people are dumb they just showing u how many characters and how many function they can hold by them jumping u see how smooth the game looks plus u think jap will do that all the game, i dont think so they not noob people maybe i will see with alot of american people then the jap people, they just showing how the game is running

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Originally Posted by Deakka

Alpha tests are server stability tests so... having a bunch of players crowded in one area and doing complex animations (jump) is probably putting the server through it's paces.

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Just so you know. Animations have nothing to do with stability. They're completely client side.

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Originally Posted by Rau

we get it SE, your engine can handle more than 20 characters at a time...

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that was not the dev team for sure. it have been crazy alphatesters i think.

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Originally Posted by Zeno-Ira

maybe they should limit jump, so you can jump every 10 seconds or so~

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ah nah.. thats stupid.. you would not feel free then...

i think they should keep it unlimited.. or make it tp based.. so you lose some of your tp when jumping. or when someone is spamming it for about 20 seconds you wont be able to jump anymore for a short duration.

but for the start they should keep it free in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Welp, guess I wont beable to do those fights, because just like the goobuu, I'm never using the jump system. This is NOT AN ACTION MMO, THERE IS NO NEED FOR JUMP, JUMP IS STUPID.

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Actually TERA has more action than Final Fantasy XIV will ever have, but in TERA jumping is stupid, because, realistically, if you get hit while you're jumping, you end with your butt on the ground.

I guess only Rokien could advocate the fact that jumping without restriction has anything to do with a MMORPG being "action".

Sorry for the slow response. I couldn't figure out the BB code to cut down something so I didn't have to subject everyone in this thread to walls of text. Because you felt the need to quote everything, I will respond in kind.

Matsume: the only issue I see with your major post is that you think my comment about 'don't use it' is specifically directed at him. It was meant toward anyone who's against it. What's weird is I went back to find the spacing of everything to see if it could be taken as directed at him, and all I found was two posts by me, one after the other. Maybe he wrote something that was in between those, but it's gone now... but if it was deleted, wouldn't it still show his name and nothing else as a 'place-holder' that something was once there? As far as I can tell, my comment about 'if you don't like it, don't use it' wasn't even on the same page as something Rokien said.

Anyway, my next comment to him was after he quoted me and called my argument stupid, and it 'pisses him off when people do that'. I already sensed that tension you mentioned. Although I quoted what he said to me, I was directly annoyed by what he posted just above what I wrote next. "If they would do the power of collective knowledge they would have just done what they did in XIII, go to a cliff and press X. There, you get your stupid jumping, and I don't have to deal with your stupid jumping."

He is saying that because he doesn't like jumping, it should not be included, and instead, there should be a command to climb up a cliff to 'keep us satisfied'. Of course, it's all in how you say things -- and while I am not innocent of this, neither is he. His response to the person above me is one of my examples of how he is not nice to others in the thread. He said something in a rude way ("I don't have to deal with your stupid jumping"), when he could have just said it in a nice way.

Next, I get annoyed with him, as quoted, and mention that jumping could be used as a utility in fights to make them more interesting. (I have personally played MMO's where jumping is required for certain fights, and people don't just jump around like idiots endlessly. There's always the select few, but they are the exception, not the rule. What makes jumping any more or less annoying that the person that runs around in circles waiting for an event to start?)

After his next comment: "Welp, guess I wont beable to do those fights, because just like the goobuu, I'm never using the jump system. This is NOT AN ACTION MMO, THERE IS NO NEED FOR JUMP, JUMP IS STUPID." I began to get playful, insinuating that I was going to find him and jump next to him, but not before telling him that trying to boycott the game because 'jumping is stupid' is silly. That's why I mentioned that if jumping is needed, I will find him and call him out on using jumping, because I know he won't stop playing the game or doing instances because he needs to jump. I dislike empty threats and people that swear they will "QUIT THE GAME IF [X happens]." He didn't say he'd quit, but be basically said he wouldn't do anything that involved it, even if it was endgame or important.

Perhaps this is an assumption on my part... but then he says to someone else in response to the question "Will goobbues be able to jump?" ... "I will not play this game if it does. No matter how cool this game is, if they added that to goobuu, I will not play. At all." There you go. He will quit the game if goobbues are given jump, which is likely, considering they have shown chocobos jumping. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=LM6bi4RP25o#! Go to about 7 minutes in...) Will he quit?

The next comments between us were playful, and I wasn't taking any of it personally. I just wanted to call him out on his empty threats. The part about a party 'shaming' him for not jumping is also a play on the fact that I think he'll cave and use jump if he has to. As far as me saying I'll 'find' him and jump next to him... I understand I said it, and I understand that I should have weighted my words more carefully considering there are some crazy people in MMO's, but I honestly wouldn't waste my time coming to annoy him. It was my way of finding it hilarious how dead-set against jumping he was, that it WOULD annoy him if people merely jumped near him. Keep in mind that I wasn't the only one that said I would jump next to people who didn't like jump -- there were several others who specifically said that. I'm not alone in this.

Perhaps the 'my standards are too high' was below the belt. This is where I really think it became less about interpretation and more about bluntness. I'll concede on this. What I meant to imply was I wasn't attracted to someone who is so dead-set against new things, and will refuse to use them, even if it betters the game. I consider this ignorant, but I didn't want to outwardly insult him... so I said my standards are too high. I didn't expect him to take it so personally, as I wouldn't... because this is a forum... but he did.

I can tell I ruffled his feathers with that comment because of the fact that he first started out saying 'so are mine' but then quickly edited it to say something he thought was more offensive. And then we got into it. I thought him editing his comment was funny because he was seriously pissed off at me over something so little.

As far as his comment about me being single... I wasn't offended by this, and didn't take it personally, because as I said... it's not true, and we're on a forum. I was, however, curious as to how he came to this conclusion. If he had called me a jerk, or any other name in the book, it would have made sense, because according to him I was being a jerk... but how could you make the assumption that someone is single, or even that being single is something to be ashamed of? I think "I can smell your pheromones from here" is a bit more severe than "My standards are too high." My comment was also preceded by the fact that he wouldn't jump with me, staying on topic.

I don't think either of us is more guilty than the other, but because you see him as a friend, and me as some random person you don't speak to, you are going to empathize with his side more. This is just how it is. The reason I see him as being a bit worse than I is because I haven't insulted anyone else on this thread, or quoted someone and told them their argument was stupid. I also haven't told anyone that what they like is stupid. I also haven't refused to adapt to changes in a game because I think they're stupid. The difference between us is that I haven't offended anyone else, ever, on these forums... but I can tell from what others are saying in this thread that he has offended quite a few.

Another jump topic really? No wonder people hate these forums.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Another jump topic really? No wonder people hate these forums.

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hm yea you are right.. as for the topic hm... i call up everyone to ->JUMP around on release date, ah well especially when you see rokien of course :)

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Just so you know. Animations have nothing to do with stability. They're completely client side.

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What....? LOL /faceplam of epic proportions.

C'mon, you know what that comment was trying to say. Yes, yes. Animations are shown client side. The response of how quickly you see them is not.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

What....? LOL /faceplam of epic proportions.

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To be fair, I think what he meant to imply is that, while the server itself notifies you that certain people are doing an animation, it doesn't actually stress the server -- it stresses the client. The client needs to process all of this information and render it on screen. The purpose of the emotes was to show the mere size and complexity of what the game client can now show... while also showing off that so many people can be in one area without stressing the server like it did in 1.0.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

What....? LOL /faceplam of epic proportions.

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Here's a bit of data for you, so that you can get a culture in between facepalming because you think you know things that you obviously don't.

-ALL the data for animations (including jump) is client side.
-The game has no collision detection, so there's no interaction between animations and no related data sent or received.
-All an animation (including jump) does, server side, is send one bit or data to the client telling that a nearby character is performing that animation. Exactly the same amount of data would be sent to communicate that that character moved a step in any direction, or performed any other action. Ergo, stating that they jump to "test stability" is as ludicrous as it can get.
-Playing an animation is one of the simplest things you can order a client to do, so if you meant to "test stability" of the client, it's just as ridiculous, as playing any animation (including jump) is no more stressful for the client than having a character move a step in any direction.

Are we really considering putting a limit on jumping?...

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Originally Posted by ReptarSwag

Are we really considering putting a limit on jumping?...

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It would be absolutely lovely.

There are few things that look as absolutely stupid in a MMORPG as a bunny hopper.