All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Sep. 20)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Itt: people who think rich people are pretending the economy wasn't already fucked up.

But hey, when you take away someone's gil printing press, of course you have people who'll bitch. Also:

ITT: People who think printing gil has no effect on anything.

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ITT: You're just ignoring anything but how the "printed gil" affects things. You're not thinking of anything else.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Itt: people who think rich people are pretending the economy wasn't already fucked up.

But hey, when you take away someone's gil printing press, of course you have people who'll bitch. Also:

ITT: People who think printing gil has no effect on anything.

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k.........

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Originally Posted by Vaer

People constantly trading in seals for dawn drops and NPCing them adds a lot of money to the system.

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LOL rich people aren't farming atomos, that is for plebes.

Hopefully now everyone has a bunch of gil to burn they'll want materia again and I'll finally get a Twelve-damned spiritbond party in Natalan to finish my last couple of classes sitting at 45ish because Atomos killed Caravan and Natalan spiritbond parties which used to make getting 40-50 a lot nicer.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Doesn't matter if that's what it was for or not. It was used for it. And now some people have millions of gil that wouldn't otherwise and it's making a huge disadvantage to players that didn't get to use this method.

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It's not fair, but it's also not realistic that they're going to do a rollback either. They're putting measures in place to stop it from happening anymore, but the damage has been done. I just hope this doesn't have too negative of an impact on the economy in 2.0 since a lot of people are going to have a lot more money than they normally would have.

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Originally Posted by BotenAnna

LOL rich people aren't farming atomos, that is for plebes.

Hopefully now everyone has a bunch of gil to burn they'll want materia again and I'll finally get a Twelve-damned spiritbond party in Natalan to finish my last couple of classes sitting at 45ish because Atomos killed Caravan and Natalan spiritbond parties which used to make getting 40-50 a lot nicer.

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I guess your definition of plebes is people that don't want to craft forever or go farm forever.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

It's not fair, but it's also not realistic that they're going to do a rollback either. They're putting measures in place to stop it from happening anymore, but the damage has been done. I just hope this doesn't have too negative of an impact on the economy in 2.0 since a lot of people are going to have a lot more money than they normally would have.

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It's not that I'm disagreeing, it's that they're only hurting people who just now are joining it. If they really gave two shits about the economy they'd do more than nerf atomos/dawn drop. That's my two cents.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

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THE TEARS. OH GOD, THEY'RE DELICIOUS!

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Originally Posted by Amherst

THE TEARS. OH GOD, THEY'RE DELICIOUS!

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And you have the maturity of a 3 year old. Thanks for the useless post, douche bag.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

And you have the maturity of a 3 year old. Thanks for the useless post, douche bag.

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We can't all be a charmer like you.

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Originally Posted by Amherst

We can't all be a charmer like you.

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We can't all have a broader spectrum of thought either apparently.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

We can't all have a broader spectrum of thought either apparently.

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Says the person throwing a temper tantrum over them removing their broken gil generator. lol okay bro.

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Originally Posted by Amherst

Says the person throwing a temper tantrum over them removing their broken gil generator. lol okay bro.

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Says the person who finished exploiting this already. *rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Says the person who finished exploiting this already. *rolls eyes*

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Assuming he exploited it for gil rather than capping out GC gear most others. Also when you tell someone to go fuck themselves you can't comment on anyone else maturity.

Good news, there has been a lack of material and items on the auction house due to Atomos camping so this will force people to actually start making stuff again which should ease out the inflation period.

The thing with Atomos was that it wasn't the fastest way to make gil. Far from it. However, it was the easiest way to make gil for people which led people to it like flies to shit. Crafting the right stuff or even farming could produce more GPH (gil-per-hour) than Atomos farming could when you take into effect time and all the other variables.

That being said all I used Atomos farming for was to get one of the last 25k weapons I needed. Didn't really need it for anything else.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Assuming he exploited it for gil rather than capping out GC gear most others. Also when you tell someone to go fuck themselves you can't comment on anyone else maturity.

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You can't really comment either since you're narrow minded. So while I appreciate the gesture, it's point is moot.

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

Good news, there has been a lack of material and items on the auction house due to Atomos camping so this will force people to actually start making stuff again which should ease out the inflation period.

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It's not exactly going to help, it's just going to reshuffle money around at an inflated rate. Cobalt arrows were averaging 40k per stack on my server before the event. Then they ran out, someone started listing them for 100k a stack and they were selling. I haven't logged in since the Atomos event so I have no clue how screwed the economy is on my server.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

You can't really comment either since you're narrow minded. So while I appreciate the gesture, it's point is moot.

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just please go away child. your exploit is going to be taken care of so go call someone that cares.

i'm sorry to act this way towards another member, but when coming in and crying then directing profanity towards others expect to be treated like a spoiled child and nothing more.

I've gotta laugh ant anyone who honestly thought this exploit wasn't going to go away. Let's call a spade a spade, this was clearly an exploit, and as such it was never going to stay in the game for long.

What I want to know at this point is, how many people got stuck holding the bag? How many people have piles and piles of crystals after maintenance because they thought they'd be worth millions/billions for the rest of the games life-cycle?

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Hot fix:

Maybe atomos event = /end

imperial invasion tweak? i.e. less suck?

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Not likely since they already stated Atomos will be in until servers go down

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Originally Posted by Amherst

Says the person throwing a temper tantrum over them removing their broken gil generator. lol okay bro.

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Yes True it does generate extra Gil but cannot call it an exploit seeing as their is an achievement for gaining 500k gc seals which cannot be obtained without going through your stack of 50k seals at least 10 different times which means you have to buys things and you will also have to sell some of the things you buy

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

Yes True it does generate extra Gil but cannot call it an exploit seeing as their is an achievement for gaining 500k gc seals which cannot be obtained without going through your stack of 50k seals at least 10 different times which means you have to buys things and you will also have to sell some of the things you buy

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Right, but for it not to be an exploit, you should have to do so at a loss, not a gigantic profit margin.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

Yes True it does generate extra Gil but cannot call it an exploit seeing as their is an achievement for gaining 500k gc seals which cannot be obtained without going through your stack of 50k seals at least 10 different times which means you have to buys things and you will also have to sell some of the things you buy

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...are you really trying to say that this ISN'T an exploit? The fact that people were selling GC items had NOTHING to do with the seal achievement. Even if it is well intentioned, stop trying to play devil's advocate here. It doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Amherst

...are you really trying to say that this ISN'T an exploit? The fact that people were selling GC items had NOTHING to do with the seal achievement. Even if it is well intentioned, stop trying to play devil's advocate here. It doesn't work.

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makes no difference whether or not they are getting gil or not they are still going to get hit by a 90% reduction of that said gil so let them think that they are actually making money when they are not why do you care so much ?

as stated in this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...748#post831748

SE can save everyone from the speculation train if they just release info earlier on the fixes. Oh yeah and not cut into NA's Prime time. It wouldn't kill em to do it on JP prime time for once.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

Yes True it does generate extra Gil but cannot call it an exploit seeing as their is an achievement for gaining 500k gc seals which cannot be obtained without going through your stack of 50k seals at least 10 different times which means you have to buys things and you will also have to sell some of the things you buy

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Pretty sure it wasn't intended to do that achievement within a period of three days either. Some achievements like that are long term.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

makes no difference whether or not they are getting gil or not they are still going to get hit by a 90% reduction of that said gil so let them think that they are actually making money when they are not why do you care so much ?

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And it does matter, because there are guaranteed to be people generating money they would have never had just due to their normal activities. Some people refuse to craft and gather and would have had to make that money from alternative means and probably at a much slower rate. Now with them having this much more money, they have more buying power which can have the potential to drive up prices if the supply is not high enough to meet demand.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

makes no difference whether or not they are getting gil or not they are still going to get hit by a 90% reduction of that said gil so let them think that they are actually making money when they are not why do you care so much ?

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I really don't think you understand how that reduction is going to work. If everything is getting reduced by 9/10ths, and everything is - vendor price, rewards, leve gil, item cost, current gil in game - then it still has the exact same value. It's only scaled down by one digit. The only unknown factor is the user market, and while people may be trying to sell everything at 1.0 prices at first eventually undercutting and market competition will balance it out.

So, to answer your question, I care because it's broken and I don't want the in-game economy to become any more of a mess than it already is.

Edit: Okay, seriously? From that link you decided to edit into your post.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

In other words, all the hard work you've put into saving up gil won't be lost.

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Originally Posted by Amherst

I really don't think you understand how that reduction is going to work. If everything is getting reduced by 9/10ths, and everything is - vendor price, rewards, leve gil, item cost, current gil in game - then it still has the exact same value. It's only scaled down by one digit. The only unknown factor is the user market, and while people may be trying to sell everything at 1.0 prices at first eventually undercutting and market competition will balance it out.

So, to answer your question, I care because it's broken and I don't want the in-game economy to become any more of a mess than it already is.

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the only mess of the econ is in 1.0 and that is mainly due to them releasing the information that they are going to reduce everyones gil by 90% come 2.0 which created a mass panic and so people are either buying up everything they possibly can or trying to sell off and save as much as they can before 2.0 gets released so this was SE's announcement that caused the econ to go nuts and not a thing you or anyone here can do to stop the effects of this atm so might as well just ride the wave like everyone else hang on tight and see how it turns out come 2.0....

They should have shut this down the first time they hotfixed it by making dawn drops npc price 1 gil each if they were going to do anything about it.

The thing I don't understand is if this is an obvious exploit why would they sit there for almost a damn week and "watch" (based on the wording of the post by Yoshi on this topic) billions of gil enter the economy every couple of days then decide a week later wake up "oops we done goofed."

They need to handle stuff like this and Garuda better.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

the only mess of the econ is in 1.0 and that is mainly due to them releasing the information that they are going to reduce everyones gil by 90% come 2.0 which created a mass panic and so people are either buying up everything they possibly can or trying to sell off and save as much as they can before 2.0 gets released so this was SE's announcement that caused the econ to go nuts and not a thing you or anyone here can do to stop the effects of this atm so might as well just ride the wave like everyone else hang on tight and see how it turns out come 2.0....

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actually this is just completely wrong in many ways.

1. the economy has driven up prices due to this event.

2. the price hike will carry over til 2.0 because that is the starting point.

3. this has been treated like a stimulus package by many, but the truth about a stimulus is that they are short term economy boosts with long term negative side effects.

4. people have alot more gil then they should have because they were using the printing press to magically make more gil go into the game than was going out. this is long term inflation no matter how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

the only mess of the econ is in 1.0

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That's some pretty impressive clairvoyance you have there.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

and that is mainly due to them releasing the information that they are going to reduce everyones gil by 90% come 2.0 which created a mass panic and so people are either buying up everything they possibly can or trying to sell off and save as much as they can before 2.0 gets released so this was SE's announcement that caused the econ to go nuts and not a thing you or anyone here can do to stop the effects of this atm so might as well just ride the wave like everyone else hang on tight and see how it turns out come 2.0....

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Wonder what game you've been playing for the last two years. Because it sure as hell isn't the same one as me.

If you want to take advantage of the massive gil generation from Atomos then just admit it, but don't try and come up with a flimsy justification for it. You people act like it's comparable to someone catching you with porn or something.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They should have shut this down the first time they hotfixed it by making dawn drops npc price 1 gil each if they were going to do anything about it.

The thing I don't understand is if this is an obvious exploit why would they sit there for almost a damn week and "watch" (based on the wording of the post by Yoshi on this topic) billions of gil enter the economy every couple of days then decide a week later wake up "oops we done goofed."

They need to handle stuff like this and Garuda better.

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I agree. They need to do their due diligence and think about the consequences of events like these BEFORE they make it to the players.

As soon as the GC seals were released the first question that was asked in my LS was "how can I turn these seals into gil?" Buy drops and trade them to an npc was the answer. Atmos just made it MUCH more appealing to spend time doing that.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They should have shut this down the first time they hotfixed it by making dawn drops npc price 1 gil each if they were going to do anything about it.

The thing I don't understand is if this is an obvious exploit why would they sit there for almost a damn week and "watch" (based on the wording of the post by Yoshi on this topic) billions of gil enter the economy every couple of days then decide a week later wake up "oops we done goofed."

They need to handle stuff like this and Garuda better.

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They'll never change.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They should have shut this down the first time they hotfixed it by making dawn drops npc price 1 gil each if they were going to do anything about it.

The thing I don't understand is if this is an obvious exploit why would they sit there for almost a damn week and "watch" (based on the wording of the post by Yoshi on this topic) billions of gil enter the economy every couple of days then decide a week later wake up "oops we done goofed."

They need to handle stuff like this and Garuda better.

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i agree with you that they need to handle it better, but i have a feeling yoshi was, once again, clueless and thought people would run it like a fad for a week and then go back to normal. he needs to start realizing what he is dealing with as far as the players. any advantage he leaves in game is going to be exploited as much as possible.

That happens in any MMORPG lol. If the developers give the players an opportunity, they will pounce on it.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。

アトモスに関連した多数のフィードバックありがとうございます。

開発側でギルの排出量（軍票交換品のギル還元も含め）のデータを観測していましたが、
現状でもギル/軍票排出量が想定以上であるという状態です。

そのため、再度の調整となってしまいますが、明日の朝メンテナンスの上で、
HOT FIXを適用させて頂こうと思います。
主なHOT FIX意図は以下の通りです。

・軍票交換品の店売りギル価格の調整⇒ギル排出量の調整
・アトモス出現判断頻度の調整⇒出現サイクルを抑えることで単位時間当たりの軍票獲得数調整
・低レベル帯に配置されているアトモス周辺のモンスター撤去⇒低レベル帯の導線調整

アトモスの報酬内容には手を加えず、全体のバランスを調整する方針としました。

プレイヤーの皆様にはご迷惑をおかけしますが、よろしくお願い致します。

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I am Yoshida producer / director. Thank you for your feedback related to a number of Atmos. Had been observing the data (including reduction of replacement military scrip Gill) Gill emissions in the development side, it is a state emissions military scrip Gil / that is equal to or greater than currently envisaged. Therefore, it would be adjusted again, on top of the maintenance, tomorrow morning I am going to let me apply the HOT FIX. HOT FIX main intention is as follows. - Adjustment of emissions ⇒ Gill price adjustments Gil store sales of replacement military currency adjustment medal count military currency per unit of time by reducing the cycle emergence ⇒ adjusting the frequency of decision emergence - Atmos around Atmos that is located on the level range, low- ⇒ low level adjustment band conductors monster removal of the contents of Atmos reward without touching, we decided to adjust the balance of the whole. We apologize for the inconvenience but to everyone of the players, thank you.

here si the maintenance details so now everyone can stop speculating

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

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Nobody is speculating. We all knew about the post already.

This is gonna sound mean, but whatever. Do you even read other posts before you type stuff up? The way you edited in that link that completely invalidated your point a little while ago is making me wonder.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i agree with you that they need to handle it better, but i have a feeling yoshi was, once again, clueless and thought people would run it like a fad for a week and then go back to normal. he needs to start realizing what he is dealing with as far as the players. any advantage he leaves in game is going to be exploited as much as possible.

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Because humans play it, and they like to get away with stuff. Tho, I still dont see this as really an exploit, at least not a major one.

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Originally Posted by Amherst

That's some pretty impressive clairvoyance you have there.



Wonder what game you've been playing for the last two years. Because it sure as hell isn't the same one as me.

If you want to take advantage of the massive gil generation from Atomos then just admit it, but don't try and come up with a flimsy justification for it. You people act like it's comparable to someone catching you with porn or something.

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not trying to take advantage of any gil making theme still at 400k gil up to date i could care less whether or not i have gil or not... Makes no difference to me i have everything that i want or need up to this point hence being part of a team ... gil cannot buy you skill you can be the richest person on the game and still not have a clue on how to do majority of teh things in this game ...

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Originally Posted by Amherst

Nobody is speculating. We all knew about the post already.

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tbh, who here thought that the maint. was for anything but a fix for this exploit?

I didn't even need to see an official post to know what it was about.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

not trying to take advantage of any gil making theme still at 400k gil up to date i could care less whether or not i have gil or not... Makes no difference to me i have everything that i want or need up to this point hence being part of a team ... gil cannot buy you skill you can be the richest person on the game and still not have a clue on how to do majority of teh things in this game ...

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So now you're implying I'm a lone wolf and a bad player, huh? That's cute.

It's clear that you're just throwing out random statements and hoping some will stick rather than trying to actually argue your point, so I think I'm done. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

tbh, who here thought that the maint. was for anything but a fix for this exploit?

I didn't even need to see an official post to know what it was about.

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Yeah, same here. I laughed when I saw the notice for it and was like "well, Atomos is gonna be pretty empty now".

My plan for the gil reduction in 2.0 is actually quite simple i will be draining my gil down to "ZERO" which means they cannot reduce me any further than i will be at ...

so that squashes your theory on me wanting to keep this way of earning gil in the game right there ... I do not care either way and nor do i care to sit here and argue with morons about things that are broken when there is always something that will be broken nothing you or anyone can do to stop that from happening..