Overtuned MSQ 4-mans and subpar story ends 12-year journey

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Originally Posted by Valence

And what I'm telling you is that the mechanics aren't more obvious with that modern scripted crap than what we had before. I still have no clue of half of the mechanics seen in Meso during my only run, and I'll either have to figure them out by going back there, or watching... a video guide. Exactly like it's always been.

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That supports what I said. That Dawntrail content in general, including its dungeons, are trying to make mechanics not as obvious the first time you do it. "What hit me?" or "I didn't know that would happen" is the general theme they're going for in Dawntrail, whereas that had got pretty rare before Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

That supports what I said. That Dawntrail content in general, including its dungeons, are trying to make mechanics not as obvious the first time you do it. "What hit me?" or "I didn't know that would happen" is the general theme they're going for in Dawntrail, whereas that had got pretty rare before Dawntrail.

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Agreed then.

Not sure if agreed on the fact that purposely making things harder to understand, visually or otherwise, is a good game design direction though.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Not sure if agreed on the fact that purposely making things harder to understand, visually or otherwise, is a good game design direction though.

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It's their response to the common rhetoric on the forums that dungeons are "predictable", "braindead", "samey", "a joke", etc.

I think it is also due to what happened with the final alliance raid in Endwalker, which was universally trashed by everyone I saw give feedback on it. It had a lot of mechanics and seemed like a really good raid, but everyone found it "easy" because it had these gigantic arrows saying "stand here!!!" and had extremely long cast times (and you see how they are trying to do the opposite of that now). Since there was no figuring it out required due to these big arrows, a lot of people seemed to find it trivial and weren't happy with it.

As for whether it's good game design, everyone's going to disagree on the matter, but personally I think it's alright for a casual fight to take, say, 3 pulls to figure out and not get any vulns. And I do think that is their belief as well. Although I would have to say CEs went a lot harder with that - people are unlikely to have a flawless run after just 3 encounters with one, but maybe Occult Crescent doesn't need to hold hands as much as MSQ dungeons.

I found it pretty easy to understand. Think the only thing that got me was the first boss where the AoEs went first rather than the knockback, but it was still survivable even as a DPS and it had a very clear indicator it was going to go first so it was my fault for not paying attention. Can't think of anything the second or third boss did that was out of left field. It's fairly intuitive that you should stay away from the packs of people that spawn especially after seeing that the first few people indicate the no-no zones. Hell I play on crystal which isn't exactly known for its raiders and out of ~12 runs the only time I ever saw someone die was a healer who didn't realize they needed to esuna themselves.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's their response to the common rhetoric on the forums that dungeons are "predictable", "braindead", "samey", "a joke", etc.

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Which - if it is true - would be a really stupid thing to do, because

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

At first I've just been baffled about what's going on, and got slapped around by things gathering vuln stacks, but as I've done it more I've figured the mechanics out and can do them flawlessly

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When you're about to play this dungeon in expert roulette 120 times until the next dungeon drops, there is 0 point in obfuscating the mechanics on your first run - as your next 119 runs will again bei "predictable, braindead, samey, ..."

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

Which - if it is true - would be a really stupid thing to do, because



When you're about to play this dungeon in expert roulette 120 times until the next dungeon drops, there is 0 point in obfuscating the mechanics on your first run - as your next 119 runs will again bei "predictable, braindead, samey, ..."

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You are right, rather than one out of 120 runs being somewhat esoteric and more interesting all 120 runs should be beige slop. You should enter meso terminal at the same expectation of competency first time as your 120th run of everkeep

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You are right, rather than one out of 120 runs being somewhat esoteric and more interesting all 120 runs should be beige slop. You should enter meso terminal at the same expectation of competency first time as your 120th run of everkeep

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I'm fairly certain the point Gwenkatsu is making is more akin of "why not try to make all 120 runs interesting" really. Because no matter how obscure you make a puzzle, once you have the solution the fun in replaying it simply tanks.
As much as I enjoyed the Meso Terminal, especially the second boss, I see what it is that people find exhausting about it.

This has to be ragebait

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's their response to the common rhetoric on the forums that dungeons are "predictable", "braindead", "samey", "a joke", etc.

I think it is also due to what happened with the final alliance raid in Endwalker, which was universally trashed by everyone I saw give feedback on it. It had a lot of mechanics and seemed like a really good raid, but everyone found it "easy" because it had these gigantic arrows saying "stand here!!!" and had extremely long cast times (and you see how they are trying to do the opposite of that now). Since there was no figuring it out required due to these big arrows, a lot of people seemed to find it trivial and weren't happy with it.

As for whether it's good game design, everyone's going to disagree on the matter, but personally I think it's alright for a casual fight to take, say, 3 pulls to figure out and not get any vulns. And I do think that is their belief as well. Although I would have to say CEs went a lot harder with that - people are unlikely to have a flawless run after just 3 encounters with one, but maybe Occult Crescent doesn't need to hold hands as much as MSQ dungeons.

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I disagree with their response because their response is essentially trying to make things harder often by chipping away at accessibility, which should NOT be something to be conflated with difficulty and even less compromised for the sake of difficulty, and I do feel that especially lately, DT has been pretty clear that it's ready to cross that rubicon.

If anything, at least at the casual level, the more complex a mechanic is (DDR or not), which means the more elements and moving parts it has to correctly identify, added to the time it takes to process all of that information, should inform the pace of the resolution of a mechanic. And what I've observed in a lot of content below savage is that they do cope out on this by keeping it fast paced, but actually introduce "cheeses" or "exploits" to look for, which essentially simplify the mechanic into one or two elements to identify, making sometimes 90% of the rest of the mechanic completely irrelevant and to be ignored as essentially "chaff".

I think this is really, really bad design.

I do agree with the idea that a fight, even at the casual level, should not always be an easy one shot. But that's going to be very difficult to gauge in a pve environment where everything has turned into fully individually focused binary checks of pass or fail.

( and I also honestly think that people get a lot less mad when dying to fair systems and mechanics than the now usual "gotcha" moment )

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Originally Posted by ovIm

I'm fairly certain the point Gwenkatsu is making is more akin of "why not try to make all 120 runs interesting" really. Because no matter how obscure you make a puzzle, once you have the solution the fun in replaying it simply tanks.
As much as I enjoyed the Meso Terminal, especially the second boss, I see what it is that people find exhausting about it.

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Welcome to scripted DDR, the game where only the first run is interesting, am I right

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think it is also due to what happened with the final alliance raid in Endwalker, which was universally trashed by everyone I saw give feedback on it. It had a lot of mechanics and seemed like a really good raid, but everyone found it "easy" because it had these gigantic arrows saying "stand here!!!" and had extremely long cast times (and you see how they are trying to do the opposite of that now). Since there was no figuring it out required due to these big arrows, a lot of people seemed to find it trivial and weren't happy with it.

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Yeah i had to make a head cannon for that "they love us so much" the bosses in there decided to coddle us while we fought them, doing a gimmick one at a time. Otherwise the last boss had best chances of using mechs from previous fights in the raid series and spice things up.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

I'm fairly certain the point Gwenkatsu is making is more akin of "why not try to make all 120 runs interesting" really. Because no matter how obscure you make a puzzle, once you have the solution the fun in replaying it simply tanks.
As much as I enjoyed the Meso Terminal, especially the second boss, I see what it is that people find exhausting about it.

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Glad it wasn't *that* hard to understand my post. Should be farely easy in fact, provided you bother to read what people write... instead of just reacting to a few buzzwords and then start foaming off the mouth, like some of our fellow forum posters love to do.

I can understand people thinking content is too hard for them, but I don't agree that you're gated and can't progress. If you do a msq dungeon in duty finder, you will get carried no matter how bad you are at the game. If you have even 1 decent tank or healer you will clear the content.

I get not liking the fight design, everyone has their own preferences, I personally like the fight design, I don't really care for job design, but I understand why it is the way it is.

Lastly in terms of extreme difficulty, there are no extreme mechanics in any msq dungeon, maybe slightly harder casual mechs or multiple mechs at the same time, but no where close to extreme.

I see this come up so much that I feel like SE should just add a true "story mode" to instanced MSQ content that's basically "Trust, but you can't fail" and be done with it. Like everything does 5% damage, no DDs, no vulns, and if you do manage to go down, your allies just walk over and pick you back up. The game spent so many years acclimating players to functionally never failing that the slightest bit of friction seems to be a source of major distress to a lot of people. Makes me wonder why certain people play video games at all instead of just reading books.

Honestly, old dungeons were too easy. Dawntrail turning the difficulty up is a new positive imo. This is a get good situation.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I see this come up so much that I feel like SE should just add a true "story mode" to instanced MSQ content that's basically "Trust, but you can't fail" and be done with it. Like everything does 5% damage, no DDs, no vulns, and if you do manage to go down, your allies just walk over and pick you back up. The game spent so many years acclimating players to functionally never failing that the slightest bit of friction seems to be a source of major distress to a lot of people. Makes me wonder why certain people play video games at all instead of just reading books.

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I'd love it if the dungeons weren't tied to the story and the gameplay part was just done with solo instances.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I see this come up so much that I feel like SE should just add a true "story mode" to instanced MSQ content that's basically "Trust, but you can't fail" and be done with it. Like everything does 5% damage, no DDs, no vulns, and if you do manage to go down, your allies just walk over and pick you back up. The game spent so many years acclimating players to functionally never failing that the slightest bit of friction seems to be a source of major distress to a lot of people. Makes me wonder why certain people play video games at all instead of just reading books.

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I don't think it would hurt anyone if the Duty Supports could rez people. Maybe limited once per boss. Though that won't help people who get hit by everything, who really should be playing with players instead- the actual "no fail" mode for a dungeon is having three friends.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

When you're about to play this dungeon in expert roulette 120 times until the next dungeon drops, there is 0 point in obfuscating the mechanics on your first run - as your next 119 runs will again bei "predictable, braindead, samey, ..."

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Although I agree, I have found that their efforts to make it "faster, more going on, more to keep track of" with RNG elements within specific mechanics, has made at least the CEs in Occult remain engaging to me. Because even after doing them lots of times, I'm still fighting for a clean run with no vulns and it's so easy to get 1 through the course of the fight from a tiny slip up.

I think for the most part I don't find dungeons like that. They still get really boring if you repeat them, even in Dawntrail. I literally switch to other jobs, especially DPS jobs, just to make it more fun at this point. For example, despite the changes to BLM, there is still that element of wanting to stay in leylines or do long casts and it at least adds another variable to it, or the potential to tunnel on some of the melee DPS.

But switching job is about the only way to shake things up in them now due to the lack of party interplay like MP sharing and the destruction of the holy trinity.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I see this come up so much that I feel like SE should just add a true "story mode" to instanced MSQ content that's basically "Trust, but you can't fail"

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They should just go as far as making Duty Support the easy mode. They already spam shields on you in an unrealistic way that a lot of healers wouldn't and overheal you in ways a lot of players wouldn't care to, so they may as well go all the way and embrace it as the easy mode.

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Makes me wonder why certain people play video games at all instead of just reading books.

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There are two (very large) types of gamers:

• People who want a challenge. They want it to be really challenging and have lots of complicated mechanics to sink their teeth into. Impactful decisions, things that require them to strategize and problem-solve.
• People who just want to relax after a busy day doing something brainless. Something entertaining, but easy, to unwind. Think unsyncing a level 50 dungeon as level 100. That is what many people want. They want to vent their extreme player power on some enemies and 1 shot them, to unleash all that stress from work etc. It's why cheats are popular in single player games. Meanwhile, others just want to play for story reasons and don't want to be dying repeatedly. Quite frankly, I tried out Clair Obscur and almost immediately set it to the easy mode because the dodging simply sucked at higher difficulties and wasn't fun to me, and I mostly wanted to do the story.

That's why I believe all games and all content should have an "easy mode" and a "hard mode". Because there are two types of gamers and both are valid. Games exist as entertainment to pass the time; some want this entertainment to be challenging, while others just want it to pass the time but not be challenging.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

What does "overtuned" mean here?

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Couldn't clear it on the first try, I assume.

2nd boss of the new dungeon also kicked my ass but I just went in with the trusts, and kept practicing it until I got the timing down. Yesterday I took a group of friends who were nervous about it and we learned some cool things: If someone finishes their mini boss first, and another person is dead, the person who finished can go inside their section to help out. When the dead person is revived, they'll still get sucked back in, so you have 2 people on that last one. Others can help from outside of the arena.

The mechanic is MORE punishing with the Trusts, especially because if you die, you restart automatically. Whereas with real players, it's a lot more forgiving.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I see this come up so much that I feel like SE should just add a true "story mode" to instanced MSQ content that's basically "Trust, but you can't fail" and be done with it. Like everything does 5% damage, no DDs, no vulns, and if you do manage to go down, your allies just walk over and pick you back up. The game spent so many years acclimating players to functionally never failing that the slightest bit of friction seems to be a source of major distress to a lot of people. Makes me wonder why certain people play video games at all instead of just reading books.

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I would say do that, but disable all drops on easy and have the DF treat it as an incomplete duty until it's cleared on normal. If people want to play it purely as a solo story game, I'd rather something like that than the "solo experience" changes they made during EW.

You die too much to mechanics in Dungeons?

Play tank. Problem solved. Healer adjust.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

I'd love it if the dungeons weren't tied to the story and the gameplay part was just done with solo instances.

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Agreed, and this simple change would go a long way towards letting players who don't really care about the story catch up to their friends much more quickly. But then they wouldn't be selling tons of $25 "skip most of the story" and $25 "level to 90 immediately" cash-shop items.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

But this is probably the end for me.

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If dungeons are too hard for you, you're right lol

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

There is absolutely no reason they should be shoehorning progression raid and extreme mechanics into MSQ-REQUIRED NORMAL 4-MAN DUNGEONS.

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I WISH dungeons had extreme and savage mechanics. Unfortunately, in reality, they don't.

I <3 your post though. It was hilarious.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

That is the real problem with the "too difficult vs. too boring" debate on MSQ-required dungeons.

The problem isn't "too hard vs. too easy," it is that SE became too too greedy and/or too complacent to design SEPARATE content for each of these classes of players like they have throughout the game's decade+ history.

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There is absolutely no reason they should be shoehorning progression raid and extreme mechanics into MSQ-REQUIRED NORMAL 4-MAN DUNGEONS.

Yuweyawata Field Station is a perfect example. It actually names abilities "Dark Souls" as an overt reference to the masochistic games by the same name, and throws in a literal finger mechanic as if to say clearly what they feel about the terrible server lag making this game no place for such latency-dependent mechanics.

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You have a lot of different topics all bundled up into why you "might" be quitting - since you have not even committed to this - but the above is rather absurd to me. Literally everyone can complete the MSQ by going in with Trusts, which tell you where to stand at pretty much all times - and practicing until you understand the dungeon. I'd reckon 99% of players can complete this within the time limit the very first time entering.

Worst case scenario, you get carried by actual people.

Once you learn the dungeons and people get more gear, they very quickly become competitive/mundane to most people. If they tailored the game to remain at Satasha levels to appease the extreme end of unskilled and unmotivated players...well, they'd fare much worse in regards to retaining the casual playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I would say do that, but disable all drops on easy and have the DF treat it as an incomplete duty until it's cleared on normal. If people want to play it purely as a solo story game, I'd rather something like that than the "solo experience" changes they made during EW.

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I don't think it really needs either of those. It isn't going to hurt things if someone can get some gear. Probably help more if they do venture into roulettes. And there's no reason for it to be set to incomplete because their being in roulette is no different than now when they get dragged around dead by other players.

The one thing I would do is limit exp so that mode can't be used to farm for exp. It doesn't really have to be a separate story mode, either. I mentioned in another thread they could just have difficulty settings like solo duties and set an Echo level based on those. Very Easy would just have a large Echo so the player could still get the interactive experience without having to worry if they get clipped by something.

Its simple when every job is the same copy of each other and super easy to learn people start to feel bored, so SE in a "brilliant" move thought instead of fix job design, they decided to make the encounters slightly more engaging now people are upset about that.

I wouldn't mind content being made easier again if they had actual job design, I personally find the current content more fun then endwalker but it's still shallow when my job feels bland, theirs also the case that not everyone wants content where you turn your brain off but also they don't want trial and error content where you have to watch a guide or something, so adding content that properly scales in difficulty would be nice.

Though I'm sure we will get more of the same, they will keep making the dance fights more and more intense until its breaking point while making jobs a cosmetic option. Instead of having some skill expression being in those jobs and how they interact with the content itself.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

There is absolutely no reason they should be shoehorning progression raid and extreme mechanics into MSQ-REQUIRED NORMAL 4-MAN DUNGEONS.

Yuweyawata Field Station is a perfect example. It actually names abilities "Dark Souls" as an overt reference to the masochistic games by the same name, and throws in a literal finger mechanic as if to say clearly what they feel about the terrible server lag making this game no place for such latency-dependent mechanics..

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I think I just rolled my eyes so hard I saw the wall behind me.

This is truly why we cannot have nice things.

me when the visual novel has gameplay

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

No. Dark Souls is a simple tank buster. If you read more carefully you will see I was pointing out it is an overt name drop for the clear design philosophy shift Yoshida has been publicly talking about. He specifically said he wants to bring in more Dark Souls/Elden Ring style difficulty (which I would term "fake" difficulty as it is totally unintelligent and "easy" and relies on memorization of physics-defying 180 degree weapon swing shifts, 1-shots, and "heat seeking" enemy telepathy, among other things).

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You honestly don't understand Dark Souls at all. "tHis iS a DaRk SoUls rEferEnCe" is a ridiculous sentiment and YoshiP doesn't localize the text in the game himself. I don't believe this is a genuine statement from someone who has played for 12 years. Extreme/Savage mechanics in the dungeon? Please.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Not everyone wants to be carried though, and I say that as someone who had to clear 90% of ARR/HW/STB while being over-geared, over-leveled, and doing it unsync solo out of necessity because Dynamis is dead and a lot of people on the other data centers aren't anywhere near as nice and helpful as people keep memeing about.

I literally am a walking "I win" button that people think casuals desperately want and I'm not having fun doing that either, and I'm pretty sure any lower level players I escort through MSQ content because they can't fill a queue are probably not having a riveting experience either. I wanted an MMO, but this game is deathly allergic to being one with its slew of gameplay problems and lackluster community.
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Having three friends being the hard part here, and having seven for mandatory Trials only making things harder.

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Being on dynamis is rough enough, I couldn't imagine trying to run content on that DC, I had an alt and always traveled to primal or aether to do msq and dailies. I've only run into about 3 people who got upset about bad players in standard content and they were hardcore casuals, they were good at normal content but wouldn't touch high-end content. Everyone I raid with could care less how bad someone is in normal content.

I do not understand how some people are complaining about Dawntrail dungeons as if they were the hardest thing. The mechanics are in line with most previous dungeons.
Mind you, I'm curious of how folks go through Stormblood and Endwalker if Dawntrail is giving them too much.

The forums aren’t an airport — no departure announcements needed. We’ll file this under ‘things that didn’t need saying.’ Best wishes, though… said no one here.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Like no joke what were you doing in launch brayflox when SCH couldn’t leeches and PLD had no agro control?

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Why would you make me remember this nightmare D:

But anyway yeah. Endwalker started off pretty strong with the Tower of Zot. The Magus Sisters were genuinely a good fight... and then, with the exception of Barbariccia, every single fight after them was just boring and often had me questioning bosses. The giant octopus and even Menphina would often aim their 180 cleave AoE away from the party/alliance, so you didn't even need to move. Also the looooooooooong cast times.

idunno i miss stormblood casual content. DT dungeons and raids are an improvement, but the Vana'diel raid is suffering the same issues I have with Myths :/

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

It IS what they are doing now. Less time between animation telegraphs and damage. More damage in general. More memory/spatial visualization mechanics. More instant death mechanics.

I absolutely KNEW the change to Phoenix Down was a bad sign.

It tells me SE has no intention of investing the bare minimum in this sinking ship to add multiple difficulty modes to dungeons to appease challenge seekers without locking casuals out of the base quest.

It tells me they are going to continue to skimp and cut corners while pandering to the most vocal streamer minority with continued shoehorning of difficulty into MSQ content and say "but you can rez now," as if the ability to get scraped off the floor repeatedly makes people who don't like raiding feel any better about being humiliated just so they can play the base game quest.

As if the average casual player, even if they DO get carried through these base game dungeons, will EVER want to play them again.

It is a cop out to avoid spending money on the game, nothing more.

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Instant death mechanics? Where? If you fail a mech you get a vuln stack. I've seen dps with like 5 stacks of vuln survive.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

Yuweyawata Field Station is a perfect example. It actually names abilities "Dark Souls" as an overt reference to the masochistic games by the same name, and throws in a literal finger mechanic as if to say clearly what they feel about the terrible server lag making this game no place for such latency-dependent mechanics.

In the past dungeons like The Dead Ends were story-rich, and had mechanics you had to learn but which were visually interesting and intuitive, unlike the progger 1-shot "boss is because boss" slop we are getting now.

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I am directly across the world from the server I play on and I've never had any issues with the specific "latency-dependent mechanic" you're referring to. Me and my fellow high pinged friends literally praised that mech when it came out for being more responsive than 99% of the AOEs in the game.

Yuweyawata Field Station being your example for this post is super ironic considering the above as well as it being one of the most story-rich dungeons we've gotten post-DT. We literally go back in there after the dungeon for even more story.

I do agree that Square Enix needs to stop cutting costs, though. They're bleeding money and players because they refuse to feed their cash cow.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

Yuweyawata Field Station Boss 2: "Lost Hope"
Four random players need to rely on their ping and spatial relationship ability to line up the spinning hand in multiple directions to navigate through zig zag paths to the outside of the room or they are 1-shot.

Everyone I talk to hates the spinning hand mechanic, but they keep using it. Re: unimaginative + 1-shot.

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Sorry for double posting (mobile doesn't allow edits :() but ngl I got good at the hand mechanic by farming the Fall Guys event. You know, casual content. It's a little finicky, but it's nowhere near as hard and punishing as you're making it out to be. Also, I don't think it relies on ping at all? Movement is all client-side iirc and the server usually has to catch up to the player. That's why others look further behind when running alongside/ahead of you, etc.

I don't know who you're talking to, but my friends across the casual to raider spectrum are pretty neutral about the silly spinning hand. The proximity damage falloff is insane, I'll admit, but as a tradeoff they give you a pretty long time to get there.

If you all can't handle this dungeon, the right game for you is hello kitty island adventure. It isn't hard, I could have beaten it at 8 years old with a wipe or two. Super Mario Bros might be too much for you if you can not complete this dungeon. Hell tic tac toe might be too hard for you. And no one should have to deal with this game becoming easier than tic tac toe for anymore.

Lol the dungeons are no where near the same level as Extreme, Savage or anything above. If anything id compare them to the difficulty of Pharos Sirius Hard or Steps of Faith (at a push) prior to it getting nerfed further down the line.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

Instant death mechanics? Where? If you fail a mech you get a vuln stack. I've seen dps with like 5 stacks of vuln survive.

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pfft 5 stacks = lightweights I can get more without trying :P

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Originally Posted by Akivar

If you all can't handle this dungeon, the right game for you is hello kitty island adventure. It isn't hard, I could have beaten it at 8 years old with a wipe or two. Super Mario Bros might be too much for you if you can not complete this dungeon. Hell tic tac toe might be too hard for you. And no one should have to deal with this game becoming easier than tic tac toe for anymore.

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Ah yes, the good old "go away me no like you" sorry excuse of an argument. Never gets old, and now those filthy casuals surely know where their place is.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

Ah yes, the good old "go away me no like you" sorry excuse of an argument. Never gets old, and now those filthy casuals surely know where their place is.

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yet they are right, if something as easy as a dungeon is to hard for those people, then they should play something else. The game keeps getting easier and easier.

you people are cruel. people have been bringing up these issues for a while now and the only response you can ever give is, "well sorry you're too bad at the game you've played and paid for for years, you should unsub and go play something made for idiot babies with no motor skills."