Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

I get where the OP is coming from but like many have pointed out, the FF series has pretty consistently mixed medieval fantasy and sci fi as ridiculous as it is sometimes. I don't mind the sci fi and it makes for some pretty sweet glams and if you're into RP it just adds more options. I'm not a cosplayer or anything but I do think a lot of steam punk stuff is cool so it'd be nice to see a bunch of that in the game along with some other styles. I've always wanted this game to have military camo armor sets too. If I can ride around on a solution 9 motorbike that flies with my sword and shield wearing a baseball cap and runners then there really is no reason not to implement more styles.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Anything Allagan isn't what's being argued against mostly. It is well blended and it feels more like ancient magical tech than star trek. You could tell they thought about how the Allagan technology and derived magitek would fit into the world.

It's the recent introduction of pop culture scifi and minimalism that doesn't blend well into the games aesthetic. When you walked into Azys La it the theme was clearly lost ancient technology and both you as a person and your character were in awe and wonder of what was introduced, likewise it looked much more retro-futuristic.

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Ignoring the rest of what you said because yikes, but robots and spaceships still veer into sci-fi no matter how "magical" they may feel. One of the bosses in an Azys Lla dungeon uses the same model as the G Warrior. Allagans have holograms and computer terminals you can put in your own house. The description of Coils Turn 3 even says we're on a starship. The Late Allagan outfits are SUPER sci-fi with LED lights, futuristic armor plating, skintight spandex, and one has a headset microphone.


If it's the aesthetic of Solution Nine you have a problem with, them being completely alien to anything we've ever seen and not fitting in is the whole point. They're an advanced civilization from another world that teleported in and they don't belong. They're supposed to not fit in. Unless something really wacky happens, this is the only place in the entire game we'll see this aesthetic. Just like how the Tempest is the only place in the game straight out of 1930's New York covered in art deco. That is also another part of the game whose design clashes with absolutely every single other part of the game.

If your problem is people wearing outfits from that part of the game, then deal with it. The game has had bikini tanks since the very beginning. Not liking the aesthetic of other people's glams has been a thing since glamour prisms existed.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

...The hell did I just read.

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You read the literal state of the game.

https://i.imgur.com/DWMkugA.png

Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

And likewise my reaction to the game ... The hell is game starting to look like now?

This is what they show you as the game though:
I wonder if you can spot the difference.

https://i.imgur.com/5qzQoJv.png

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Ignoring the rest of what you said because yikes, but robots and spaceships still veer into sci-fi no matter how "magical" they may feel. One of the bosses in an Azys Lla dungeon uses the same model as the G Warrior. Allagans have holograms and computer terminals you can put in your own house. The description of Coils Turn 3 even says we're on a starship. The Late Allagan outfits are SUPER sci-fi with LED lights, futuristic armor plating, skintight spandex, and one has a headset microphone.


If it's the aesthetic of Solution Nine you have a problem with, them being completely alien to anything we've ever seen and not fitting in is the whole point. They're an advanced civilization from another world that teleported in and they don't belong. They're supposed to not fit in. Unless something really wacky happens, this is the only place in the entire game we'll see this aesthetic. Just like how the Tempest is the only place in the game straight out of 1930's New York covered in art deco. That is also another part of the game whose design clashes with absolutely every single other part of the game.

If your problem is people wearing outfits from that part of the game, then deal with it. The game has had bikini tanks since the very beginning. Not liking the aesthetic of other people's glams has been a thing since glamour prisms existed.

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I agree with a lot of what you say, yet still feel there is a difference.

Maybe it's just the fact that we didn't really "hang out" in Allagan spaceships like we can stand around in Solution Nine. Solution Nine is a city, with "normal people" just walking around living their lives. Allagan technology was "lost to time" but there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't import things like the Loporrits technology or Solution Nine tech into Gridania, so what's stopping that from happening storywise? It makes the older areas of the game some even more anachronistic than they already do, like they are frozen at a former point in the story, rather than being part of a living breathing world. However, I wouldn't want them to add lightening towers or bunny radios to Gridania, so that's why I feel apprehensive about the direction of the world setting.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

You read the literal state of the game.

https://i.imgur.com/DWMkugA.png

Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

And likewise my reaction to the game ... The hell is game starting to look like now?

This is what they show you as the game though:
I wonder if you can spot the difference.

https://i.imgur.com/5qzQoJv.png

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You and that one guy that really hates Sharlayan should team up.

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You and that one guy that really hates Sharlayan should team up.

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I don't have a problem with Sharlayan's aesthetics except for the development of a spaceship. It fits just fine.

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Let me know if you need any further clarification. But if you can't see the connection as to how trashy its becoming then I can't help you.

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How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I agree with a lot of what you say, yet still feel there is a difference.

Maybe it's just the fact that we didn't really "hang out" in Allagan spaceships like we can stand around in Solution Nine. Solution Nine is a city, with "normal people" just walking around living their lives. Allagan technology was "lost to time" but there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't import things like the Loporrits technology or Solution Nine tech into Gridania, so what's stopping that from happening storywise? It makes the older areas of the game some even more anachronistic than they already do, like they are frozen at a former point in the story, rather than being part of a living breathing world. However, I wouldn't want them to add lightening towers or bunny radios to Gridania, so that's why I feel apprehensive about the direction of the world setting.

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Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?


We have already seen Eorzea adopting technology. They're not static. Eorzean airships are still recent and incorporate Garlean technology. They fundamentally changed the whole region to the point where all of the nations have facilities specifically for receiving them and we've seen them steadily get more complex and we can design them and submersibles from a holographic display. Skysteel Manufactory and therefore Machinist have also combined Ishgardian and Garlean technology. Limsan pirates are putting ceruleum engines in their ships. Even in 1.0 Ul'dah had ceruleum derricks in Northern Thanalan.

Eorzea is in a transition period where they're slowly adopting technology engineered by defecting scientists specifically for Eorzean needs. It's going to be a long while and just because they have exposure to it doesn't mean there's going to be bumper-to-bumper car traffic next week just because the Ilsabard Contingent just got back from Garlemald.

What is the problem with the term "doping", which dates back to early 20th century? no, seriously, the term "dope" originally meant a "thick mixture", and dates back to 19th century, then in very early 20th century, it became common practice to athletes consume mixtures of various drugs, including heroin and cocaine, which naturally ended up pretty thick, to preform better, until the practice started being admonished in 1920, and the term became associated with the process of using performance enhancing drugs in general, meaning the current use of the word, as well as the practice in itself, are over a century old.

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How does this have anything to do with sci-fi?



Electrope was rare on the shard it originated from to the point that whole nations fought over it and now there's only one tiny piece of that shard mixed in on the Source and only 1 spot there where they can mine new electrope so it's not going to suddenly take over the world. Plus the technology requires lightning on a large scale. It works for them where lightning is striking all the time and can power it to do everything they need it to, but that won't work very long in say Limsa Lominsa.

Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?

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What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

Anyway, for me this is more a vibe based feeling I get when I look at the balance of sci-fi elements on our side. In many Final Fantasy games technology is something that defines the enemy.

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What about smiletron? They can mass fabricate machines, living spaces, and they turned the moon into a spaceship.

For the electrope, that is definitely what I assume will be the reason, but we also have a portal to a world filled with electrope. They also made an army and multiple warships out of the stuff so it seems like they have plenty. The raid series has electrope creating entire worlds and sentient beings.

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The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I think the problem is usually in final fantasy the technology is isolated. Its either ancient unearthed civilisation stuff like how Allagan was originally treated. Or its a scealed off isolated culture (Esthar, Shumi village in ff8)

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There's some precedent with X-2. In FFX the ban on magitek forbade anyone from acknowledging the high tech of Zanarkand, other than the Bliztball arenas that were still in use. But in X-2 with the ban lifted, some people are eager to explore and adopt some of the newer tech. Others are less keen about it since it's hard to get over a religious prohibition that easily.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

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Electrope converts one element into another; I don't know if it HAS to be lightning, though. If it's programmable with magic runes, then it might eventually be able to convert any element to another element. Might need to combine it with whatever spells are powering the Eden light munching machine.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

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Always an excuse to get nothing done. No wonder nothing ever gets done and everything feels stale. Either way; I’m not drinking the kool aid. We can probably look forward to the jetsons setting in 8.0 and get this:

The all new GM x FFXIV collab where everyone gets the choice between an electric hummer or the new Equinox. The Silverado is gonna be a cash shop item though.

I’m sure reasons will abound to justify those too.

Coming soon allied race borg loporrit. Become one with the carrots.

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The whole reason we went to Smiletron was because the Loporrits couldn't control their own machine and we had to get sent in to disable it with violence so I don't think it's exactly ready for mass distribution if that was even a possibility. Besides, like anything with the Loporrits, outside talk radio they only have contact through Sharlayan, who probably isn't about to spread that kind of stuff around the world and would realistically attempt to dissuade them from attempting to do so independently. And unless you think they're only talking to Garlean refugees, the rest of the world already has some way to receive the signals from the loporrits. Whether that was from distributed radios or ones made copying Garlean radios. And that's just a step above desktop orchestrions which have already been a thing.

As for electrope, the only way to currently get it is from under the dome or at the bottom of a gigantic cenote and through a portal into another world. Either way, it's not exactly available for the rest of the world to immediately have access to it even if there were massive stores of it remaining somewhere and they could actually power it. And that guy in the raid already had magic to create copies of people, but he's using bits of electrope to augment his abilities. Not sure how since Sphene said it requires lightning input to make things but I guess we'll find out.

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I was going to point out, if someone else hadn't, that we do see the world progressing... but really only through the Allied Society Quests. From which in Endwalker alone, we have provided abundant amounts of radios to Etherys to receive radio broadcasts from the moon which broadcast a race from the literal end of the Universe. Allagan, Garlean, and Alexandrian technology has started filtering through the world if we count available decor items. Tataru brags about her magitek kettle developed by the Ironworks (who also develop the airships and a billion other magitek inventions). The tiny airship you use in the HW Main Quest is immediately replicated and mass produced, to the point where multiple clans of sky pirates have them.

We also see in the 7.1 MSQ that people have moved back from Alexandria to Tuliyollal and given up their technology for a simpler life. They did not have to do this, their needs were wholly met inside Alexandria, they did it intentionally and in such numbers that the Dawnservants have spent time creating an advocacy and reintegration training group for them. Change takes time, and people are resistant to too much change in too short of a period of time. Couple that with the insane amount of convenience magic provides in Eorzea and how aetherically dense the area and its people are, and the need to upgrade from their normal way of life is much lower priority.

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Loporrit technology doesn't really provide anything that doesn't already exist on Etheirys. What are you referring to here? Ishgard and even Hingashi have multiple different kinds of robots. Garleans have radios but everyone else has linkshells. The only thing they could provide are carrot machines?

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I will go as far as to say that this is exactly the issue that The Dreaming Ways formed to resolve, the Loporrits felt, quite justifiably, useless, made worse by the fact their uselessness was a good thing since it meant not evacuating the planet, and they needed to find new purpose, with Talkingway being the extreme end of the issue before they were able to reach them.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Anything Allagan isn't what's being argued against mostly. It is well blended and it feels more like ancient magical tech than star trek. You could tell they thought about how the Allagan technology and derived magitek would fit into the world.

It's the recent introduction of pop culture scifi and minimalism that doesn't blend well into the games aesthetic. When you walked into Azys La it the theme was clearly lost ancient technology and both you as a person and your character were in awe and wonder of what was introduced, likewise it looked much more retro-futuristic.

Now a days you're literally walking into trashy cyberpunk with shien streetwear and if you listen close enough you can probably hear the NPCs hollering at you YO YO YO WASSA HOLMES, YA GOT SOME ECSTACY ON YOU? all while they breakdance and drink fourlokos. I wonder if some people literally can't tell the difference. Like maybe an Allagan orb really is the same aesthetic as a harley davidson chopper or a DJI style drone to them.

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Now I'd agree that the art direction isn't trying really hard to make their new sci-fy inserts really unique and creative, that's for sure. Allag was alike nothing else, even though obviously like everything it had its own inspirations. I feel like S9 is somewhere in between, where electrope is definitely its own thing with a clear direction, but the rest of Alexandria definitely feels more generic.

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Now I'd agree that the art direction isn't trying really hard to make their new sci-fy inserts really unique and creative, that's for sure. Allag was alike nothing else, even though obviously like everything it had its own inspirations. I feel like S9 is somewhere in between, where electrope is definitely its own thing with a clear direction, but the rest of Alexandria definitely feels more generic.

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Yeah, the truth is that it's not that I have a huge issue with all the crap they've shown individually, the problem is that they've just tossed all these art concepts onto the game without blending them like Allag was. In reality it's not just sci-fi, it's the whole modern contemporary aesthetic that is the issue.

If you walk into a house with a bunch of mismatched lighting fixtures and appliances of different colors and designs it technically is a "functional" house, but it's not a nice place to be in aesthetically. And that's what this game feels like.

What's worse is that all this is a substitute for a lack of creativity, substance and depth into the game. Instead of really digging in deep into the lore of these places and showing us interesting concepts from within Eorzea, mystic creatures, lores, grand spells, involving stories; Places of wonder, fear, unexplained locations; they've opted for a very lazy approach of "lets bombard these people with all the pop culture and shiny concepts we can possible think of!" so that we're too distracted by all the shiny new stuff to really care about any of it.

The entire setting of this game is just a shallow prop. And the overworld definitely feels like it. To some degree I want to stick around because I had high hopes for this game but I don't know. Nothing is really treated with care or detail. Most people now a days get easily distracted and they like all this stuff though.

We're all over the place, but never for more than 20 minutes it seems. Now with cosmic exploration it just looks like we'll be redoing entire planets in 10 minutes a pop. I'll reserve my judgment for actual execution but idk how it can get more ludicrous. We have no cohesive date, time, era or any set location in this game. Kind of like the personification of ADHD. FFXIV is just everything at this point, and imo none of it is being done well. Including half solo game and half mmo.

Part of it was probably just the devs wanting an excuse to use all of the modern glams they've been adding (that no one forced them to), but Alexandria retaining none of its visual identity from back in the day was a real shame in my opinion. Even if it doesn't make sense with the electricity-theming since it looks more steampunk than anything, I would still rather have seen S9 NPCs wear stuff like the Neo-Ishgardian sets (which are basically the precursor to 7.1's Yuweyawata gear) than outright modern/cyberpunk nonsense

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Yeah. How?
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I'm specifically talking in game, not real world, where (arguably) the "good" guys are in control of the space printers/free rabbit labor.

Nobody tell these guys about Pathfinder. Or Forgotten Realms. Or Baldur's Gate 3.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

The amount of copium here trying to justify the sudden BLITZ of scifi entering into the mix. Sharlayan is to blame for all, they can figure everything out that others can't. Same with the Loporrit.

Allagan tech used to be this ancient mysterious technology that was hard to recreate and was LOST for a reason, now it seems that the plot farts out tech and modern things on a whim. THERE IS NO REASON IN THIS GAME TO HAVE MIDDLE-AGE VILLAGE TYPE SOCIETIES IF THIS IS THE CASE. Can't any of you people understand world building and how decisions like this affect it in the story and in the world they are supposedly trying to portray us?

In other FF's the infusion of tech was done elegantly and with purpose. This is the equivalent of shoving a rusty spoon in your eye.

They are killing the FANTASY in Final Fantasy XIV.

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I made a thread about the hyper advanced civilizations getting ridiculous a little while back too. I'm glad more people are voicing their opinions. Very much agreed with OP and Hallarem here. At this point it feels like ARR took place like a millennia ago with how much the tech and civilizations we encounter have advanced. It hardly even feels like the same game anymore to me. Solution 9 is such a blatant "Cyberpunk was popular, let's just do that and make it a FFIX reference". It feels so jarring and out of place, so shallow and vapid. I like the music and some parts of the zone are pretty but I hate everything it represents. Like genuinely I think Dawntrail has ruined some aspects of the worldbuilding forever for me, like with the regulators and messing with the mysticism of souls and turning them into products and a commodity...

Also, after all that hyper advanced cyberpunk roboid blasting in the MSQ, the first level 100 gear sets are like medieval fantasy and tribal inspired? The raid gear is like leather gladiator gear (don't get me wrong, I like how they looked), who in this city would actually use that when you have glowy neon tech outfits? The tournament is clearly meant for people from Solution 9. Just for the whole thing, what even is a tone? I've always felt they should tie gear you get in an expansion better into the expansion's theme, it's always been a huge issue with gear in this game, one time you get hyper advanced Allagan gear and the next you're in like platemail or some clown outfit or other. I think genuinely the last tome sets I liked were the shadowkeeper ones in Shadowbringers, because they were thematic, and looked great.

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I deleted my giant reply, because I'm honestly out of energy with this game. 8.0 is my final limit if they don't introduce QoL and improve the game. So I'll just say this.

I've lost my faith in FFXIV, it's dev team, it's capability of delivering an adult story that respects my time and I think they are just upkeeping this game for as much money as they can, while people who for some reason don't want the game to improve dance on the strings like puppets to SE, glazing it to the high heavens when they haven't done enough to even justify a subscription fee for an ongoing "MMO".

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Actually... wait, DOES Eorzea have indoor plumbing already?

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We may never know because, unlike the Most Popular MMORPG In History, this one doesn't make outhouse jokes.

I am in wonder that no one has yet invoked that Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

The study of Aether and its uses is the most advanced Science on the planet.

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I've played a lot of FF and I'm not sure I agree. This is starting to become kind of incongruent. What we had before Endwalker was more in line with how technology and fantasy are usually presented.

I feel like they need to introduce some reason as to why the technology of Solution Nine can't or wouldn't be exported to the rest of the world.

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It might eventually but Etheirys utilizes magic more minus the Garleans and Solution Nine is a very shiny city but you could see some of the great minds in a place like Sharlayan finding ways to do some of the things they do with magic.

Its the fact that the technology and fashion is not in line with the game world. The modern even the latest scifi elements are just rip-offs from the real world. Painfully inserted in because "remember Cyberpunk. Heres our take with a bunch of ff9 references".

The art direction team, the story team and anyone in charge of worldbuilding need to replay their whole damn game and have a hard look at it. Stop watching anime, stop thinking "whats popular at the moment" and make an original story without referencing a single numbered FF-challenge.

I've seen a lot of people saying that Final Fantasy has always had sci-fi elements, and while that's partially true, it's not entirely accurate in the way it's being framed. Also, when it comes to Final Fantasy XIV, this argument doesn’t really hold up. Many FFXIV players have never played other Final Fantasy games, so expecting them to have in-depth knowledge about the franchise’s history is a bit unrealistic.

Sci-fi has always existed in Final Fantasy to some degree, but the way it's implemented varies greatly. Most of the time, the series focuses on a world at war, often intertwined with magic, and depending on the game, technology either coexists with or is far behind magic. The key difference is that in earlier games, technology was explained well and didn’t feel too far-fetched—except in a few cases like FF1, FF8, and FF13, which leaned heavily into sci-fi elements.

FF1-5: Classic medieval fantasy magic, kingdoms, and crystals. Sci-fi was minimal, aside from airships and FF4’s moon plotline.
FF6: A perfect blend of technology and magic, introducing Magitek and industrial warfare.
FF7: Starts with an industrial, tech-heavy setting (blowing up a reactor in the intro), but the world itself still balances fantasy and sci-fi elements.
FF8: Probably the most sci-fi-heavy game, space travel, time compression, futuristic cities. Whether you love it or hate it, it’s a clear departure from classic fantasy.
FF9: A return to medieval fantasy, though it includes steampunk influences like airships and genetic experimentation.
FF10: Technology is outright banned by religion, reinforcing a more traditional fantasy feel and a narrative which have actual meaning.
FF12: Some even compared it to Star Wars at launch because of its advanced airship fleets and sci-fi-style political conflicts.
FF13: Starts off ultra-futuristic but later shifts into a more natural setting.
FF14: Already established, no need to explain.
FF15: A world where technology is dominant, but magic is nearly nonexistent, making it feel more like a sci-fi adventure with fantasy elements.
FF16: Probably the most medieval fantasy setting since FF9, with little to no sci-fi influence.

Outside of FF4, FF7, FF8, FF12 and FF13, most of the series has kept sci-fi relatively subtle. It never reached the point of space colonies or intergalactic warfare but 14 since endwalker think its a great idea to focus on stuff like that, so some feel the balance is shifting.

I can understand why some players want a more traditional fantasy setting instead of a sci-fi-heavy Fantasy game. If I wanted space travel and high-tech worlds, I’d play something like Mass Effect. I’m not against technology in Final Fantasy, but in recent expansions (Endwalker and DT ), it feels like the sci-fi aspects are getting more and more dominant, which isn’t necessarily what everyone wants.

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I've played a lot of FF and I'm not sure I agree. This is starting to become kind of incongruent. What we had before Endwalker was more in line with how technology and fantasy are usually presented.

I feel like they need to introduce some reason as to why the technology of Solution Nine can't or wouldn't be exported to the rest of the world.

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Besides allot of you missed what yoshi-p said dawn trail expansion was covering....

Were literally about to pull an into the spiderverse with ff14 and if your expecting the writers to explain any of this.....theres something mentally wrong with you on that front. Have you been paying attention there are so many plot points in DT thats literally glazed over. Like the boy who has lightning aether imbalance that we can cure, ir how bakool jaja never got punished for releasing wmd, or how azem key wven ended up here, or lets talk about how azem wven knew we were comming to help pandaemonium.....

I'm fine with the concepts of mixing technology, sci-fi, and fantasy, but here in XIV it's handled in an incredibly inconsistent and haphazard way. We're seeing levels of technology that should have far-reaching effects on everything from food production, to medicine, to warfare, but Eorzea will forever remain at the technological level of 17th century Europe. Shadowbringers killed the Allagans as anything interesting, but think of the storytelling possibilities of a world rapidly changing through the discovery and implementation of Allagan tech. Wouldn't it be cool if Garlean science spread across the world, ushering in a new age of advancement? What if Alexandrian electrope transformed Tural into the world's first superpower? Instead we will get a supercomputer, a giant mecha, or a sci-fi horror hospital whenever they're convenient for the plot, then they will be locked away in a closet to collect dust.

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Wouldn't it be cool if Garlean science spread across the world, ushering in a new age of advancement?

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This is already happening with Garlond Ironworks.

They’ve already been supplying Eorzea with airships and motorcycles. They also have had computers they seem to be using for themselves. But they have been spending most of their time and resources on technology to fight a worldwide war against the country they defected from. Since the world is at peace now I’m sure they’d be realistically supplying Eorzea with Garlean tech.

Garlemald was already a superpower and Allag was before them so I don’t think Alexandria would be the first, just the only. They very nearly got there before we stopped them but the story is still new and we have more patches to go to see where their place in world society ends up.

Magitek has been in the base game since ARR. The only out of place sci-fi was Nier.

People should reread FFIX story, it's exactly the same, you begin FFIX in a medieval fantasy setting then you get revelation that the main character come from some super advanced people and others things soul related.

The only thing i will give people is that dawntrail "bad story" wasted a lot of potential, be it story or character wise but MAGITEK (fusion of magic and futuristic science) as always been a FF thing and if you don't like it you should just play something else and stop trying to change FF into something it isn't.

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People should reread FFIX story, it's exactly the same, you begin FFIX in a medieval fantasy setting then you get revelation that the main character come from some super advanced people and others things soul related.

The only thing i will give people is that dawntrail "bad story" wasted a lot of potential, be it story or character wise but MAGITEK (fusion of magic and futuristic science) as always been a FF thing and if you don't like it you should just play something else and stop trying to change FF into something it isn't.

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Come now. Magitek is taken right from ff6. Ff14 takes all sorts of things from the previous titles. But before it at least tried to remain the coherent look and some sort of a fresh take on the matter. Now it just straight up throwing all the things they could grab, not even sure with hope of something sticking, just throwing and forgetting. Saying like whoever points this out as not paying enough attention to the series is ironically inaccurate.
Ff14 is a theme park idea going of rails.

I think the more sci-fi leaning elements would be fine if they were incorporated in the storyline properly. Unfortunately Dawntrail does very little of anything ‘properly’ lol, especially the storyline.

I think it’s less that the sci-fi elements are out of place and more that the writing is so bad it’s making them feel out of place lol.

It’s like they have the individual pieces of the puzzle but haven’t bothered to actually put it together (if that makes sense to anyone lol)

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It’s like they have the individual pieces of the puzzle but haven’t bothered to actually put it together (if that makes sense to anyone lol)

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Yep, that makes perfect sense.

They had all the pieces laid out in front of them, but instead of putting the puzzle together properly, they cut existing pieces into whatever shape fit their narrative, glued others together that barely connected, and held the whole mess together with sketchy tape.

It could almost pass as a modern art piece, if they weren’t charging money for it.

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Its the fact that the technology and fashion is not in line with the game world.

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Well, it is from an entirely different world.

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Besides allot of you missed what yoshi-p said dawn trail expansion was covering....

Were literally about to pull an into the spiderverse with ff14 and if your expecting the writers to explain any of this.....theres something mentally wrong with you on that front. Have you been paying attention there are so many plot points in DT thats literally glazed over. Like the boy who has lightning aether imbalance that we can cure, ir how bakool jaja never got punished for releasing wmd, or how azem key wven ended up here, or lets talk about how azem wven knew we were comming to help pandaemonium.....

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add why do we have echo into the list

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People should reread FFIX story, it's exactly the same, you begin FFIX in a medieval fantasy setting then you get revelation that the main character come from some super advanced people and others things soul related.

The only thing i will give people is that dawntrail "bad story" wasted a lot of potential, be it story or character wise but MAGITEK (fusion of magic and futuristic science) as always been a FF thing and if you don't like it you should just play something else and stop trying to change FF into something it isn't.

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do not insult ff9 like that. Maybe instead of reading you should play it again. Just based on your sentence i can tell that you have maybe a remembrace of the plot. yes it starts in a more fantasy setting and this last until the end of disc 3 where you open the portal to terra not beam yourselfe with out of nothing in. Then you have this old civilazation of genomes roaming arround created as a vassel for an old civilization of humanoids which are escaping death by do some sort of sleep and one single dude had the mission to save them all by merge them with another planet simmilar like their. This guy created a genome which mission it was to create as many chaos and death as possible problem is this puppet evolved an own mindset and a disgustingly strong one. So far so good you could compare Kuja a bit with zerool ja BUT heres the thing while Zerool ja made some stupid sort of timechamber from dragonball and then helped to invade our place Kuja was an actually present character you could follow. His setup on Braine and the war with lindblum the invasion of the forgotten continent or his connections in treno. Then you have the stupid clowns with the weird magic to extract eidolons from Dagger and Eiko. And then when you enter this hidden place from the ancient civil you discover that you the happy character whos helping everyone and just try to be a good guy is one of them. basicly a puppet who shall bring death to the other planet and the other guy you are hunting is basicly your brother. See thats so freaking diffrent and 10 times more exiciting then i time travlled no i kill my dad and the others invade you. Plus Kuja learned that his time is running out and he will die soon. So you have a narcistic character with a god complex finding out he will be gone soon and this triggers in him something you have in game for so long the trance. The outburst of emotion the fear of death brings him to the edge and he casts ultima to destroy terra basicly like gaius did in the msq. Do not say they are not the same bro yes the premise is like old people merge into new and the one kingdom named alexandria but thats it

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...but MAGITEK (fusion of magic and futuristic science) as always been a FF thing and if you don't like it you should just play something else and stop trying to change FF into something it isn't.

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So a sci-fi cyberpunk mega city with neon ads and Starbucks is now considered Magitek?
Thanks for clearing that up.