Cancel your Dawntrail pre-orders

I won’t be, but thank you for your post. Guess servers will be less clogged. :)

So basically Yoship's line "you won't fall asleep in dawntrail" line was incorrect. We'll just keep pulling 2 trash mobs to wall for 4 more years.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

No I don't think that is it. My experience over the years is the community is much like any online community gaming or not...A mixed bag. Online just gives the normally more timid a the safe anonymity so they are not afraid to say the part they leave unsaid in real life.

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From all gaming communities I've been around through out my many many years of different MMOs I can say that to me, the FFXIV sure is something else, for better and worse.

nah im going to keep my DT preorder butif the story grabs me then I will stay for the ride, but if it doesn't i will give them a few patches cycle and live letters to see the direction they are going. Also I really want to check out the Vanadiel Alliance Raids because i loved how FFXI was back then. BUt the DEV team they really does have a lot work to do as in job identity and actually making combat and content way more engaging because right now both are pretty brain dead.

Watching content creators showing off all the jobs and I get so hyped to play I am giddy. I think of all the roles melee are the best atm across the board, they look so fun all of them. But it is another expansion I am saddened that I cannot wear some of the lovely hats on my bun... soon to be fem hrothgar. I have my alts but ykno... I do want my main to be able to wear the cool hats!!

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Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian

Media tour showed, like in Xeno's DT dungeon video for example, that healers were becoming even less useful. They now bow even more before tanks' dominance.

Great reason to be pumped up. :)

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That's one way to fix a healer shortage - just make it so you don't need healers in the first place!

Ya know I haven't preordered yet, but because of this post I'm going to go do that.

XIV has a extremely casual, faux nice/comfy community. They wont vote with their wallet and likely don't even care because they only sub for the social part of the game or story.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

So basically Yoship's line "you won't fall asleep in dawntrail" line was incorrect. We'll just keep pulling 2 trash mobs to wall for 4 more years.

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you missed Yoshi's subtext: "unless you're a healer"

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

I bought an extra no worries my friend

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Same. Accidentally didn't order the bundle with the goodies so I had to buy the collector edition too. Woops. Oh well!

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Originally Posted by Kazmarek

The general XIV community is a cult, and Yoshi P, without his consent, has been pushed into being their figurehead. Of course anything that goes against the idea of "my game is perfect" is going to upset people. It's crazy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I genuinely believe the XIV community is the most toxic community I've ever been a part of.

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I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

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There's such a disdain from the general casual side towards raiders that's just... weird. And it goes both ways, for sure.

But it gets bad, imo, when you have players in duties asking for help with their job. "How do I do this, how do I do that," only to get met with "oh you don't have to worry about that." So there's someone clearly wanting to learn, being told that it doesn't matter unless they're looking into higher end content. You've got people making the statement "this part is bad for X job because Y" only to get met with "so? this isn't savage." There's such a dismissal around actually getting better and improving that I've genuinely never seen from any other community, ever.

Those examples aside, look at the reaction when a bunch of WoW players started coming over. "Oh no the WoW players are coming, they're gonna make my community so much more toxic now." People hated that players were coming over from WoW. And now you see it again with XBOX players. There's a general hate towards XBOX players. And yet you see people going on and on and on about how inclusive, accepting the XIV community is. I dunno what they're smoking but I want some of it, because I certainly don't see what they're seeing.

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Originally Posted by Kazmarek

There's such a disdain from the general casual side towards raiders that's just... weird. And it goes both ways, for sure.

But it gets bad, imo, when you have players in duties asking for help with their job. "How do I do this, how do I do that," only to get met with "oh you don't have to worry about that." So there's someone clearly wanting to learn, being told that it doesn't matter unless they're looking into higher end content. You've got people making the statement "this part is bad for X job because Y" only to get met with "so? this isn't savage." There's such a dismissal around actually getting better and improving that I've genuinely never seen from any other community, ever.

Those examples aside, look at the reaction when a bunch of WoW players started coming over. "Oh no the WoW players are coming, they're gonna make my community so much more toxic now." People hated that players were coming over from WoW. And now you see it again with XBOX players. There's a general hate towards XBOX players. And yet you see people going on and on and on about how inclusive, accepting the XIV community is. I dunno what they're smoking but I want some of it, because I certainly don't see what they're seeing.

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I hate cheaters, generally groups in PF and "raiders" cheat. By extension I hate raiders.

Xbox players are fine though, no reason to be upset at them for anything but making your leveling roulette be brayflox for the 5uy2935u32908htuaiwehgf789w time

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

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It has toxicity but it's hidden behind faux niceness. Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.
Or try being new in Eureka and instant pulling a fate suddenly the positive community will start getting pretty negative.
My friend experienced both of these when he started playing just because he wasn't engrained with stupid discord servers.

If I had the spare cash I'd buy extra copies in spite of you.

I'm excited for Dawntrail and the jobs. :D

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.

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Report them. Even as someone who's part of the organized hunt community, I get sick of watching people harass others who are hunting as the developers intend for the hunt to be done. I encourage hunters to work with the organized community but I will also defend their right not to.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV - ■Nuisance behavior - ◆Offensive expression
"Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm."

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

It has toxicity but it's hidden behind faux niceness. Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.
Or try being new in Eureka and instant pulling a fate suddenly the positive community will start getting pretty negative.
My friend experienced both of these when he started playing just because he wasn't engrained with stupid discord servers.

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Although I am not a new player I have also experienced the Hunt rage because i killed something named during a fate thinking it was apart of the fate, the amount of hate i got kept going so I stopped playing for a while, but its one of the content features I will not touch and I absolutely despise at this point.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Report them. Even as someone who's part of the organized hunt community, I get sick of watching people harass others who are hunting as the developers intend for the hunt to be done. I encourage hunters to work with the organized community but I will also defend their right not to.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV - ■Nuisance behavior - ◆Offensive expression
"Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm."

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Yeah no kidding.

I've got harassed lately for killing Stormblood A ranks the last few months regardless of the time of day. Even had one person threaten to report me to a GM. I decided not to fight with in order to not give them something they actually could report me over, but I knew that all I was doing was playing the game so even if they did report me there wasn't a single thing that a GM was going to do about it.

I'm honestly hoping the level and gear creep of Dawntrail will eliminate the Centurio Hunt Trains.

Organized hunts are fine and all, but Stormblood A ranks are easily soloed and you aren't going to tell me I can't kill it myself because maybe a Centurio train might show up in a couple of hours.

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

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I feel like it's a bit ironic to come at people who have been subbed for almost a decade while having a join date of 2017 yourself lol.

I assume you're still subbed to the game or did you come out of retirement just for this post?

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

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I played WoW for over 10+years, when i quit WoW
i never felt it was waste at all ( the time i spend, the money)..
All the good memories i got while playing it - it was worth the time/money!

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Originally Posted by Teno

Tanks and healers all play the same, with a very bare gameplay. Multiple dps jobs have been dumbed down to oblivion.

And how is the game gerous pray tell. There's no variety in midcore content (criterion should have had more iterations so far) and hardcore content gets one ultimate every expansion...

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See ? "But I love this game. Sure there are problem, but here are the points which make me appreciate the efforts they're doing..." "NO. Don't like. I don't. Quit having fun".

I'm happy with the (minimal) changes to the jobs I play. I'm here for more story and to play with my friends.

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Originally Posted by Tsurayu

Yeah no kidding.

I've got harassed lately for killing Stormblood A ranks the last few months regardless of the time of day. Even had one person threaten to report me to a GM. I decided not to fight with in order to not give them something they actually could report me over, but I knew that all I was doing was playing the game so even if they did report me there wasn't a single thing that a GM was going to do about it.

I'm honestly hoping the level and gear creep of Dawntrail will eliminate the Centurio Hunt Trains.

Organized hunts are fine and all, but Stormblood A ranks are easily soloed and you aren't going to tell me I can't kill it myself because maybe a Centurio train might show up in a couple of hours.

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Hard core agree. Thankfully the hunt train on Crystal isn't as frothing mad. If I see an A Rank in ARR, HW, or StB I stop and I kick its ass. I can do so solo so watch me do it lol.

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

I played WoW for over 10+years, when i quit WoW
i never felt it was waste at all ( the time i spend, the money)..
All the good memories i got while playing it - it was worth the time/money!

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I played WoW from a few weeks before BC release until halfway through BFA. I regret pretty much all my time in WoW after MoP. The game went in a direction I didn't like and I kept trying to convince myself surely it will straighten out. It never did.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I feel like it's a bit ironic to come at people who have been subbed for almost a decade while having a join date of 2017 yourself lol.

I assume you're still subbed to the game or did you come out of retirement just for this post?

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Just wanted to point out that "join date" is when someone officially registered for the forums, not necessarily when they started playing the game. For example, my "join date" is Jan 2022, but I actually started playing sometime around mid-2015.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

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What a garbage, garbage self-centered take.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

See ? "But I love this game. Sure there are problem, but here are the points which make me appreciate the efforts they're doing..." "NO. Don't like. I don't. Quit having fun".

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I enjoy playing the game, pvp specifically at the moment, but the points you made are simply wrong, and try to coat the glaring issues like content not being generous at all.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

See ? "But I love this game. Sure there are problem, but here are the points which make me appreciate the efforts they're doing..." "NO. Don't like. I don't. Quit having fun".

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I wasn't aware SE's ego is so fragile we must preface every criticism with an essay full of praise.

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Originally Posted by Teno

What a garbage, garbage self-centered take.

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I don't suppose you've ever heard of the sunk-cost fallacy?

No. I'll keep my pre-order. Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

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Requoting to say not a garbage take at all.

But.... I want to play Dawntrail.

Despite the issues with the game, I still enjoy many aspects of it. That said, I don't maintain a constant sub anymore because of its issues, so there is that.

...now, I can't remember if I actually did pre order, lol. I should check that.

They could make an expansion that changes gaming as we know it, be a straight 10/10 in every single aspect and have Yoshi-P come to your house to lick your boots and I still wouldn't pre-order to begin with. What's even the appeal of pre-ordering something?

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

What's even the appeal of pre-ordering something?

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i can pay for it when i have the money and not have to worry about saving the right amount or waiting til later to get it when i have the extra available funds.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

But.... I want to play Dawntrail.

Despite the issues with the game, I still enjoy many aspects of it. That said, I don't maintain a constant sub anymore because of its issues, so there is that.

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I agree. That's kind of where I'm at with FF14 right now. I'll play Dawntrail Launch for the story/new areas/check out the graphics update etc. and then unsub as SE need a rude awakening to make the necessary changes. Vote with your wallet.

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Originally Posted by Zrei

If you don't like the job changes like I do, then refund your Dawntrail pre-orders. Send a message to the team that we are not happy with the changes being made to FFXIV's combat.

If I could not pay for later expansions and keep playing the older versions of these jobs I would but sadly CBU3 does not want to make legacy servers so I will just have to leave this game until it becomes better and I suggest you do the same!

Vote with your wallet!

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Oh great. I returned to the forum because the unhinged comments and OPs were getting on my nerves. I'm so glad stuff has tapered off and unhinged posts are still as down bad as they are.

OP - eat a Snickers my dude.... game's not out yet.

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Originally Posted by Strika23

I agree. That's kind of where I'm at with FF14 right now. I'll play Dawntrail Launch for the story/new areas/check out the graphics update etc. and then unsub as SE need a rude awakening to make the necessary changes. Vote with your wallet.

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I agree. I have been subbing just enough to keep my house. If not for that l, I'd sub less. But being subbed about half the year vs all year is a massive financial impact if enough people do it.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

They could make an expansion that changes gaming as we know it, be a straight 10/10 in every single aspect and have Yoshi-P come to your house to lick your boots and I still wouldn't pre-order to begin with. What's even the appeal of pre-ordering something?

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The appeal of pre-ordering an MMO expansion is that you could start the new content at the same time with other people (including in-game friends) and not be stuck at level 90 when it releases. The money you can get from crafting, your gear in relation to other raiders and your ability to experience mechanics in story content without being told what to do is heavily dependent on how far other people have progressed before you get around to buying the expansion.