Stop engaging with threads you don't like

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Says the person who never posts anything here.

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I post here a lot, does that make me any better ? Do I have the right to an opinion now ?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Heres the thing. I dont know if people know but its very easy to tell and differentiate between players who give criticism while still enjoy the game and those whom are just spiteful of it.

If somebody goes around constantly making click baity threads like this and garner attention to themselves and the negative aspects of the game. Thats somebody who clearly needs to unsub as what theyre doing is angrily shouting at a building. This was the case with some individuals in the forums such as Aveyond.

Its very obvious and clear that they seek major changes but dont want to commit to their own cause. And this is fine. Not everyone is going to accept the mediocrity that FFXIV provides since they dont take the game that seriously (like most of us here. Some people find parts of the game still enjoyable)

But the problem is that theyre doing this while still being part of the problem by spending money on SE whom are a business and they answer to player subs. It worked with WoW when people finally started voting with their money during Shadowlands and it sure as hell will work here if more people whom are just as disastified with the current game respond the same.

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I agree people should vote with there wallet and quietly leave rather then continue giving money to a game and company they clearly hate expecting giving them money will make them make the changes they want. It took a mass exodus from wow for Blizzard to finally make the changes people wanted and from what I hear wow is in a decent spot right now.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

I agree people should vote with there wallet and quietly leave rather then continue giving money to a game and company they clearly hate expecting giving them money will make them make the changes they want. It took a mass exodus from wow for Blizzard to finally make the changes people wanted and from what I hear wow is in a decent spot right now.

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It also took several streamers to get it going. Xiv community needs sm1 to helm it before they'll commit. Zepla tried and failed. But trust me the day ppl start rioting in servers I'll happily join. It brought major changes on osrs it could bring em here

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

It also took several streamers to get it going. Xiv community needs sm1 to helm it before they'll commit. Zepla tried and failed. But trust me the day ppl start rioting in servers I'll happily join. It brought major changes on osrs it could bring em here

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"rioting in servers"

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

It also took several streamers to get it going. Xiv community needs sm1 to helm it before they'll commit. Zepla tried and failed. But trust me the day ppl start rioting in servers I'll happily join. It brought major changes on osrs it could bring em here

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It wasn't streamers that made ff14 blow up in population or grow considering how boring ff14 streamers are with no personality. FF14 was able to grow pretty well on its own and didn't need the help of streamers averaging 1k viewers or less to bring people in. The only time the game ever blew up on twitch in popularity was when asmongold streamed it for his 2-3 month period that he streamed and once he stopped playing ff14 is back to having 3k or less viewers spread across a handful of people. A game with over a million active daily players and only being able to average less then 3k views a day across a few streamers I don't think it was twitch that built the games playerbase.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

It also took several streamers to get it going. Xiv community needs sm1 to helm it before they'll commit. Zepla tried and failed. But trust me the day ppl start rioting in servers I'll happily join. It brought major changes on osrs it could bring em here

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Thinking streamers built this games population is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

million active daily players

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It's nowhere near a mill outside patch releases.

I don't like this thread. Here take my engagement

The best solution is to simply make ample use of the ignore function. It's fairly easy to tell who is worth engaging with and who is simply here to cause drama or act in an exceedingly selfish way if you learn to look at pattern recognition.

One thing to remember is that this is the internet and a forum devoted to a ten year old game. As such there's going to be agitators who are incredibly socially awkward, shockingly so. It comes with the territory, unfortunately.

I've encountered a number of posters who treat different personal tastes as something worthy of scorn to the point of seeing an offer to agree to disagree as a personal attack. You're never going to get through to such individuals and they're never going to compromise on anything or avoid demanding that you like or dislike what they wish you to.

So rather than request that those individuals do not engage, you need to be pre-emptive - there's nothing they loathe more than to simply be ignored. This is especially true of the posters who forget that this forum is primarily a place to leave feedback and discuss the game, including elements that they may themselves not be interested in or enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The best solution is to simply make ample use of the ignore function. It's fairly easy to tell who is worth engaging with and who is simply here to cause drama or act in an exceedingly selfish way if you learn to look at pattern recognition.

One thing to remember is that this is the internet and a forum devoted to a ten year old game. As such there's going to be agitators who are incredibly socially awkward, shockingly so. It comes with the territory, unfortunately.

I've encountered a number of posters who treat different personal tastes as something worthy of scorn to the point of seeing an offer to agree to disagree as a personal attack. You're never going to get through to such individuals and they're never going to compromise on anything or avoid demanding that you like or dislike what they wish you to.

So rather than request that those individuals do not engage, you need to be pre-emptive - there's nothing they loathe more than to simply be ignored. This is especially true of the posters who forget that this forum is primarily a place to leave feedback and discuss the game, including elements that they may themselves not be interested in or enjoy.

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This requires a more collective approach in order to be effective, of which this likely not happen because the internet will always be open for everyone, good and ill-intentioned, the reasonable and discord-seeking. And those who just want to see it all, ready with a pack of popcorn, subtly adding fuel to the fire as well. Drama's one of the oldest form of entertainment, after all.

Personally, I'd rather see a more heavy-handed approach from the forum owners myself, with a stricter moderation and punishments that also tranfers to your gaming account.
Because if you let those people free reign and 'just' ignore them, you empower those to keep on going as they think they won with their 'argument'.

And sometimes, just like in the real world, harsh consequences need to be in place. Even when it means drop-kicking them (figuratively and literally) in order to keep them in line that their nonsense is not welcome nor tolerated here.

There is also the fact the ignore function leaves an incredible amount to be desired in terms of not engaging with certain individuals. All it does is make it so you don't see the in thread posts of someone you have ignored. If the person you don't want to engage with is the type to post threads often, or is a troll who posts multiple bait threads a day. They are still going to be in your face and pushing threads you may wish to actually engage with down the list. So it does ultimately nothing in the end. I also don't personally agree with jumping to the ignore option, because that can lead to just making echo chambers. Because sometimes, sure, you have those who have a more abrasive or even trollish posting style, but they can still make solid points. I said it in the past, Aveyond often made points I fully agree with but they were wrapped up in such a manner that I couldn't take them seriously or it made me disagree because the attitude just rubbed me the wrong way.

Overall, it just comes to a point I've made in other posts, people just need to grow up and learn to have civil conversation. Which is an incredibly tall order. Sometimes you just have to hash it out with someone and bury the hatchet. Moderation would help, it would help a lot in some regards. But I know people who have been heavily active trolls on other forums for years and never seen punishment. Because they mastered how to push their trolling riiiiiight up to the line of the rules, but never cross the line. At which point, it really does come down to the community on how to handle things.

One example I made was if you have a community center where people come to talk, and 6 people come in every day and start screaming the sky is falling for an hour, and the owner of the community center won't do anything about them...it comes down to the community on how to handle them. And sometimes that means showing them the door. I will fully admit, I'm not always the best at practicing what I preach, but I own up to that while doing my best to improve upon practicing what I preach. But parts of this forum and how a lot of folks behave, fall squarely on "Treat others how you wish to be treated." Which I made entire tangents about but it just leads back to, folks need to grow up and learn how to have more civil discussion.

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There is also the fact the ignore function leaves an incredible amount to be desired in terms of not engaging with certain individuals. All it does is make it so you don't see the in thread posts of someone you have ignored. If the person you don't want to engage with is the type to post threads often, or is a troll who posts multiple bait threads a day. They are still going to be in your face and pushing threads you may wish to actually engage with down the list. So it does ultimately nothing in the end. I also don't personally agree with jumping to the ignore option, because that can lead to just making echo chambers. Because sometimes, sure, you have those who have a more abrasive or even trollish posting style, but they can still make solid points. I said it in the past, Aveyond often made points I fully agree with but they were wrapped up in such a manner that I couldn't take them seriously or it made me disagree because the attitude just rubbed me the wrong way.

Overall, it just comes to a point I've made in other posts, people just need to grow up and learn to have civil conversation. Which is an incredibly tall order. Sometimes you just have to hash it out with someone and bury the hatchet. Moderation would help, it would help a lot in some regards. But I know people who have been heavily active trolls on other forums for years and never seen punishment. Because they mastered how to push their trolling riiiiiight up to the line of the rules, but never cross the line. At which point, it really does come down to the community on how to handle things.

One example I made was if you have a community center where people come to talk, and 6 people come in every day and start screaming the sky is falling for an hour, and the owner of the community center won't do anything about them...it comes down to the community on how to handle them. And sometimes that means showing them the door. I will fully admit, I'm not always the best at practicing what I preach, but I own up to that while doing my best to improve upon practicing what I preach. But parts of this forum and how a lot of folks behave, fall squarely on "Treat others how you wish to be treated." Which I made entire tangents about but it just leads back to, folks need to grow up and learn how to have more civil discussion.

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I'm sorry, I can never finish reading your posts because your signature is TOO CUTE!!

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I'm sorry, I can never finish reading your posts because your signature is TOO CUTE!!

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HA! Understandable. Rika and Clodsire are perfect. Though now idk if I should swap to the other one I had...

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

the day ppl start rioting in servers I'll happily join. It brought major changes on osrs it could bring em here

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HOLY KEKTOPIA

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Thinking streamers built this games population is hilarious.

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No1 said that
Also didn't asmongold literally triple this games playerbase and break the servers

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

No1 said that
Also didn't asmongold literally triple this games playerbase and break the servers

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Yeah but people dont want to hear the cold hard truth

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

No1 said that
Also didn't asmongold literally triple this games playerbase and break the servers

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And half (or more) of those people only log on when he/another streamer are around to stalk around the game and seek out their 5 minutes of fame.

I wouldn't really call his influx of people substantial if they aren't actively playing the game without him around.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

No1 said that
Also didn't asmongold literally triple this games playerbase and break the servers

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The game had roughly a little over 800k active players before he came and he only brought 100k max so I don't think he tripled the community.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah but people dont want to hear the cold hard truth

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The cold hard truth lmao, this game is better off without Asmongold's fan base, also he sure as hell didn't triple the active numbers by himself, there was an increase sure but certainly not triple, and the second he stopped playing, a lot of them stopped too.

Yall need to stop giving so much credit to streamers as if this game depends on them to survive, it doesn't, the game was quieter before the streamer/wow exodus stuff but it was in a good place.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The cold hard truth lmao, this game is better off without Asmongold's fan base, also he sure as hell didn't triple the active numbers by himself, there was an increase sure but certainly not triple, and the second he stopped playing, a lot of them stopped too.

Yall need to stop giving so much credit to streamers as if this game depends on then to survive, it doesn't, the game was quieter before the streamer/wow exodus stuff but it was in a good place.

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I agree asmongold brought a nice boost but it wasn't triple like people claim and I prefer how quiet things were before he came. Aether end up getting locked and the wow exodus overflow came to primal and made things more chaotic. If anything asmongold only brought 100k at most then the endwalkers hype and release brought active players to 1.2 million with returning players coming back. The 400k boost only last until 6.2 or 6.3 until we went back to patch 5.5 numbers with 6.4 and 6.5.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've encountered a number of posters who treat different personal tastes as something worthy of scorn to the point of seeing an offer to agree to disagree as a personal attack.

You're never going to get through to such individuals and they're never going to compromise on anything or avoid demanding that you like or dislike what they wish you to.

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Endwalker had more than enough 'fluff content' for the venue goers and they make their own content rather shamelessly as anyone can see by glancing at what they upload to social media, so rather than cater to their ilk it's time that the development team remembered that there is a sizable chunk of people who treat this game as an actual game which means that they want actual content with staying power to entertain them with and tackle with friends.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

This requires a more collective approach in order to be effective, of which this likely not happen because the internet will always be open for everyone, good and ill-intentioned, the reasonable and discord-seeking. And those who just want to see it all, ready with a pack of popcorn, subtly adding fuel to the fire as well. Drama's one of the oldest form of entertainment, after all.

Personally, I'd rather see a more heavy-handed approach from the forum owners myself, with a stricter moderation and punishments that also tranfers to your gaming account.
Because if you let those people free reign and 'just' ignore them, you empower those to keep on going as they think they won with their 'argument'.

And sometimes, just like in the real world, harsh consequences need to be in place. Even when it means drop-kicking them (figuratively and literally) in order to keep them in line that their nonsense is not welcome nor tolerated here.

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What's interesting is that the forum did used to take a heavy handed approach yet it went too far in such a direction to the point where a number of players were permanently banned for fairly minor and arguably silly reasons. Granted, technically any business can choose to crack down on whoever they so fit but at the same time it isn't unreasonable to then expect those rules to be applied fairly and consistently across the board.

I'm personally in favour of having more of an official presence and engagement from community representatives, which is something I pushed for here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...epresentatives

It's the only reliable way for the business to gain feedback from players who lack a financial incentive to profit off of the game as opposed to influencers who are effectively bribed into championing a product on behalf of the creators of that product.

Q&A sessions that do not automatically filter out hard hitting questions would also be beneficial, I think.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

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Yeeeah, I noticed that too. Not really surprised though.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

What's interesting is that the forum did used to take a heavy handed approach yet it went too far in such a direction to the point where a number of players were permanently banned for fairly minor and arguably silly reasons. Granted, technically any business can choose to crack down on whoever they so fit but at the same time it isn't unreasonable to then expect those rules to be applied fairly and consistently across the board.

I'm personally in favour of having more of an official presence and engagement from community representatives, which is something I pushed for here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...epresentatives

It's the only reliable way for the business to gain feedback from players who lack a financial incentive to profit off of the game as opposed to influencers who are effectively bribed into championing a product on behalf of the creators of that product.

Q&A sessions that do not automatically filter out hard hitting questions would also be beneficial, I think.

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This has been a rather weird expansion on the tail end compared to others as well. I definitely feel like they went through some kind of feedback drought or only had feedback come from a limited number of sources at the end of shadowbringers. The lack of ability to react to feedback that was given in 6.2x - 6.3x patches showed up and now its haunting patches 6.4x-6.5x. Its not like they need to add an entire zone like bozja in 6.55, they just need to do ANYTHING involving fixing the body check issues that are showing up. The cross DC problems need to be at least mentioned and discussed in a live letter at the very least to boost some confidence they are aware of it.

Finally someone said it. The toxic bullying on these forums is clearly organized, and targeted. This has been a fact for years, and the mods aren’t doing much about it.