How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?

If you want to view a Reddit page that answers your question, you can always try the cache. In the ... menu next to a Google link, a lot of the time they have a cached version of the page from the pre-blackout days.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I don't have any problem with mods in general. In fact I appreciate their time and service under normal circumstances. I was even fine with the 2 day blackout to raise awareness so individual users can make more informed decisions to stay on Reddit or not. 80% of mods made the decision to reopen, in fact, and I appreciate thier continued work.

My appreciation ends when they use their power to remove access to the community to hundreds of thousands of people. Even if a majority voted for the blackout (and I'd love to see how many votes there actually were vs. members...), it's still impacting a rather large number of users who don't agree and just want to use the site.

Most mods are not the originators of these communities. And a lot of them actively sought out these positions for whatever desire/enjoyment they get out of moderating.

I already said I think Reddit should have comparable solutions in place before making these changes. But Reddit owns its platform and they are free to make decisions, for good or ill, and as a consumer I can decide, on my own and not with a mod making a decision for me, if I still want to patron their site.

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Excep you are also making a decision for others. You aren't giving them the option to boycott be closing a sub reddit that affects reddit income and has a chance of forcing changes.



You as a consumer want to force other consumers to abide by your will.



And you said you don't even use the site, so why do you even care?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Excep you are also making a decision for others. You aren't giving them the option to boycott be closing a sub reddit that affects reddit income and has a chance of forcing changes.



You as a consumer want to force other consumers to abide by your will.



And you said you don't even use the site, so why do you even care?

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Huh? They can boycott entirely on their own. This is forcing others into their boycott and that's where I draw the line. What a bizarre thought process you have there.

I also said I don't use the FFXIV sub. I use the site a lot.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

That’s how I feel. I don’t think a tiny number of moderators should be able to control if hundreds of thousands of people who use their subreddit get to engage with it. It’s pretty selfish. People should have their own decision if whatever is going on rises to the level of not using thr platform.

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So if we found out SE was severely underpaying their GM team but were still within a legal threshold. In other words, they were being incredibly cheap but not doing anything illegal, and the GM team decided to go on strike. You'd side with SE in this hypothetical? After all, a full GM strike would be a massive inconvenience for the majority of users while only benefiting a small minority moderation team.

Reddit's CEO is playing on this exact mindset that the masses won't care that actually managing and moderating reddit will become significantly worse because they just want to poke around on the website. It isn't selfish whatsoever. The mod teams are essentially unpaid workers and are trying to protest a change which makes their job harder for no benefit to anyone else, users included, but to make a rich man richer.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Huh? They can boycott entirely on their own. This is forcing others into their boycott and that's where I draw the line. What a bizarre thought process you have there.

I also said I don't use the FFXIV sub. I use the site a lot.

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Subreddits as a community also have the option of boycotting, which is what's happening. So again, you want to remove the community voice option, in favor of single users.



Which would be even worse in terms of making actual changes happen.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So if we found out SE was severely underpaying their GM team but were still within a legal threshold. In other words, they were being incredibly cheap but not doing anything illegal, and the GM team decided to go on strike. You'd side with SE in this hypothetical? After all, a full GM strike would be a massive inconvenience for the majority of users while only benefiting a small minority moderation team.

Reddit's CEO is playing on this exact mindset that the masses won't care that actually managing and moderating reddit will become significantly worse because they just want to poke around on the website. It isn't selfish whatsoever. The mod teams are essentially unpaid workers and are trying to protest a change which makes their job harder for no benefit to anyone else, users included, but to make a rich man richer.

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These aren't paid positions, they are volunteer positions. Collective bargaining for employees has nothing to do with volunteer moderating an internet forum. They can decide not to volunteer and move on.

Edit: In general though yes I would side with SE. Those GMs knew the hourly wage offered when they accepted employment. The marketplace solution if a request for a raise is denied is to find a higher paying job and leave, and if SE thought they had enough value they could counter. If the pay was vastly under market they'd probably also have a hard time keeping the role filled.

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Originally Posted by dansetal

Please don't tell me you're going to suggest Novice Network because that shit is filled with useless mentors

Regardless, only 1% of people use third party apps, but more than 95% of people are lurkers, meaning they just the subreddit to get answers to question or look at a meme or two and now we do this blackout for the 1% and ruin the experience for the 95%.

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with that attitude i can see why no one wants to help. but since apparently google isn't working for you tons of guides on Youtube, ffxiv groups such the balance, and such on discord and *gasp* you can even ask for help here but honestly see my first sentence.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

All of these should just be consolidated into one.

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Fantastic idea, let us know when you're finished please

I thought reddit had started booting mods and opening subs? I thought I saw one that was reopened a mod posted "We were told if not open today we would be replaced."

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Originally Posted by dansetal

The official Discord doesn't

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There is no official discord, there is no official subreddit.
I don't use either of these things and I have no trouble finding information.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

Yeah that's why nearly all change throughout human history has been accomplished by just asking nicely to the people in power.

Utterly mindless sort of take.

Humans by and large don't care about lofty ideals, they care about what personally benefits their tiny microbial pinhead-sized droplet of day-to-day existence.

If you say, "You should do this, or there will be deleterious long-term consequences", they might at best nod solemnly, if they don't ignore you or throw a tantrum... but deep down inside, they're still wondering, "Okay — but how does it affect me, personally, right now?"

The only way that you accomplish any serious change is with serious pushback; "peaceful protests" are usually just cute photo-ops that people in power absolutely love because it makes everyone feel like they did something without actually requiring anything whatsoever to happen in response.

Then those protests get mythologized and painted as "heroic" by the people who write history, because power structures in human societies would really, reeeeeeeeeeally prefer that everyone view "peaceful resistance" as the ideological ideal, since it means that they don't have to actually do anything, and that anyone upset will throw their tantrum without actually affecting the status quo.


Completely and totally fails to understand the actual details or nuance of the situation, and basically just eagerly-gargles the twisted PR spew that Steve Huffman is marketing to mentally-vulnerable people who don't bother thinking beyond what a single interview claims as fact... like the recorded Apollo App phone conversation that disproves many of the things that Huffman is claiming publicly.

And "freeloaders"? Really?

Reddit is a corporation whose near-entirety of "product" is volunteers creating and fetching content from somewhere else, and then posting it for free in order to be validated by imaginary approval... while other volunteers act as the understaffed guards in an overcrowded Ecuadorian penitentiary.

Reddit is the freeloader — they have nearly no actual product; it's basically nothing but putting out a plinth, and letting other people exhibit their discoveries and creations.

And it's not even a good plinth; it's a dark-pattern infested plinth that's been steadily degrading in quality for a decade as it attempts to squeeze more and more data and control out of its captured audience.

Now, they're ready to publicly offer up their crappy plinth to investors, and desperately trying to stamp out anything that might blemish how much those investors are willing to offer for it — hence the move to drive users out of superiorly-designed 3rd party apps and off the Reddit website, and funnel them all into Reddit's low-quality proprietary app, where they have absolute control over data, advertising, and monetization (of displaying other people's content).

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Every single time you go, "Oof, I cannot endure the pain of an interruption to my compulsively-conditioned daily app habits", you contribute that much more to the — to drop this month's newest overused, yet accurate, buzzword — "enshittification of the Internet".

And when the Internet ends up as yet another version of the corporate-controlled dystopia trope that every sci-fi future always depicts, the human inability to endure inconveniencing itself for 5 seconds is going to be the true root cause.

Corporations and businesses and leadership can invent all kinds of schemes to squeeze, exploit, and degrade the quality of nearly anything in the name of pleasing investors.

But ultimately, they only succeed at it because so many people are unable to say "No" to their comforts and habits long enough to actually scare anyone, and thus, smug controllers can handily rely on their mountains of psychological data telling them: "Don't worry, the masses will begin to go into withdrawal, and start turning on and attacking the protesters attempting to achieve change, long before they ever successfully take a stand on anything. Do whatever you want."

And if that doesn't work — have no fear, Congress will use arcane laws to force you back to work anyway, and then sell it as "tough but necessary" heroism... because once again, the common man has mercifully escaped the dire threat of inconvenience.

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Thanks for the good laugh, I needed it.

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Originally Posted by ShueBox

Fantastic idea, let us know when you're finished please

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How much are you gonna pay me for this?

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Originally Posted by dansetal

The official Discord doesn't want to hear dissent and kicked a bunch of people who don't agree with the blackout and mute you if you disagree. The blackout vote is brigaded since it's open to everyone and pro-blackout Redditors vote continue on every blackout vote against the wishes of FF14 players who use the subreddit.

I'm at a loss here and I miss being able to post on the subreddit and it seems like the blackout will just continue forever. It's a huge blow to the community for the mods to continue the blackout indefinitely even when spez doesn't care so the blackout only hurts the community without giving us anything in return. Other social media platforms just aren't really the same as Reddit.

Anyone have any idea how we can reopen the subreddit? I've been thinking of finding some people together to request to mod a private sub as it's against the Reddit rules.

Sorry if this post violates forum guidelines but there's nowhere else to talk since the subreddit mods censored everything (they banned a lot of people on the discord)

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People being jerks to you aside: I suppose we could always start a competing FFXIV subreddit. That would likely have the official one open up immediately. Something we've seen the last couple of weeks, if people hadn't already seen it, is the FFXIV Reddit and the Discord are run by petty tyrants drunk on power.

Right now, they're lording over people and abusing that power.

But if they saw a credible rival rising, they'd fear that they will lose their monopoly on FFXIV discussion forum power and probably instantly reopen the Reddit to prevent a competitor from cutting in and making them obsolete.

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He is kinda right about this, though:

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Doing something that inconveniences others will not make them be on your side.

Also, the reddit protest is beyond idiotic. Its a bunch of freeloaders who don't realize all these API tools utilize reddits resources which costs them money. The days of all these free services on the internet are coming to an end because just like twitter, reddit was never a profitable business.

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When you're fighting the good fight, you can't start by alienating the people you need on your side to win it. Make your movement toxic enough, and it will be easy for "the powers that be" to put it down, as they'll have the support of the general public in doing so. It's why terrorism and such seldom works, since unless people already REALLY hate the people in power to the point they're willing to die to depose them anyway, they don't support things that actively harm themselves to do so. It's why there's a limit to how long strikes can go on, not just from the business/employer side, but also the employee side, as eventually the customers, who you need on your side to effect changes, will start to ignore the strike lines if they become too onerous to their lives.

It is true that you have to confront power sometimes, and those in power don't tend to just change because they're asked, but if you're actively alienating other people, then they're more likely to reflexively take the side of those in power. Especially if the topic isn't something of universal good and evil and is rather something arcane and technical. Most people don't know what API tools are, much less any of the nuance around the conversation. They just see a bunch of mods have heavy handed shut down discussion and are getting salty the longer it lasts.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Thanks for the good laugh, I needed it.

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What you see:

"I laughed at you like a stereotypical schoolyard bully mocking peers who use too many words in their sentences. I have proven my superiority to you by implying derision of your ideas. If I imply that you are inferior to me, I do not have to actually address anything that you say."

What I see:

"I have verified that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about by immediately backing off from a discussion and fleeing with my tail tucked between my legs, since I am incapable of responding with any actual substance. To preserve my fragile ego, I will attempt to make the other person seem stupid for contradicting me."

This is what happens when you try to get your everything from a single source.

wikis
teamcraft
data dump and timer tracking sites
in-game chat
god forbid, here
Even if you insist on a reddit-like format, a bunch of options like lemmy, kbin, mastadon, and squabbles are all hitting the gas and ramping up operations in light of this drama.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

What you see:

"I laughed at you like a stereotypical schoolyard bully mocking peers who use too many words in their sentences. I have proven my superiority to you by implying derision of your ideas. If I imply that you are inferior to me, I do not have to actually address anything that you say."

What I see:

"I have verified that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about by immediately backing off from a discussion and fleeing with my tail tucked between my legs, since I am incapable of responding with any actual substance. To preserve my fragile ego, I will attempt to make the other person seem stupid for contradicting me."

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It's okay it's just Ransu, they never have anything of value to say so they'll just respond in a trollish way.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

How much are you gonna pay me for this?

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As much as the r/ffxiv mods are paid

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Originally Posted by ShueBox

As much as the r/ffxiv mods are paid

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The Reddit moderators are not the ones who came up with guides, tips, and discussions that were used to help the community. The players did. It's just that some of those discussions happen to be on Reddit, which isn't a website that the moderators own or created themselves, so I don't see your point. Even though I don't think a WoWhead-style website will ever come to this game because it's too old now, I would definitely donate to help get that started since it's what this game desperately needs.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

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There's always this talk about the protest accomplishing anything via hurting reddit's pocket book but it's like you forget the bottom line. In this specific situation this is unnecessary. Given time reddit as a company is going to suffer from the consequences of its actions here. You can just sit back and wait for it to happen.

Why are you so determined to be antagonistic? Do the subreddit moderators feel the need to throw their weight around that much?

It's also pretty ironic that you're sitting here discussing how people's impatience with the reddit blackout is going to cause the internet to enter into an age of corporate-controlled dystopia, when the reality is most people are willing to let nature take its course with reddit and move on. You're the one that's like it's going to be the end of the world, so you're more likely to be addicted to it than the people you're calling out. You just can't handle the thought of the old status quo changing. Most of us will adapt once it's all over, which is why you're the one acting like it's a life or death fight, when it really isn't.

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Originally Posted by dansetal

Thing is the Reddit CEO has said they will just wait it out so this has no benefit to any of us.

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A lot of things in life dont come easy

Best case people will just flock to other sites we all know and cherish. Doubt Reddit will change much. Let it go broke. But the status quo will probably continue.

I sent a message to the mods and got an auto reply back that they will open on June 19th after which they will conduct a vote on whether the blackout should continue. Imo, it's very selfish to hold other people's content hostage. The art, the guides, the conversations and advice that were posted there belong to the people who posted them and not the mods. For the mods to hold all that content hostage, which was neither produced nor belongs to them, without the explicit permission of the posters is not right regardless of the cause.

If posters want to remove or self-censor their content from reddit, that would be one thing, but blocking access to other posters' content is completely wrong and immoral.

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Originally Posted by Nitelancer

I sent a message to the mods and got an auto reply back that they will open on June 19th after which they will conduct a vote on whether the blackout should continue. Imo, it's very selfish to hold other people's content hostage. The art, the guides, the conversations and advice that were posted there belong to the people who posted them and not the mods. For the mods to hold all that content hostage, which was neither produced nor belongs to them, without the explicit permission of the posters is not right regardless of the cause.

If posters want to remove or self-censor their content from reddit, that would be one thing, but blocking access to other posters' content is completely wrong and immoral.

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Whatever will you do without the ART and the content of reddit ? oh my god, I wonder how people live their every day life without REDDIT, it's like blood going through your veins, you need it to be able to go on in life

The ART !!!! The ART !!!! My catgirl pictures !!! It's IMMORAL !!

The unofficial ff14 discord mods being a bunch of power trippers who abuse their power while letting their friends bully and break their own rules? I'm shocked!

It's the principle of the matter. Reddit's API changes are overblown. Don't like the app or website? Just stop going there, or go there less often. But taking control of people's content without their permission is wrong.

Also, it's funny that you talk as if the people against blackouts are the ones that use reddit the most, when in fact they're the ones that use it the least because they couldn't care less about API changes and 3rd party apps.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

The Reddit moderators are not the ones who came up with guides, tips, and discussions that were used to help the community.

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It isn't a moderator's job to come up with content; it is to moderate – delete spam and rule-breaking content so what remains is the useful on-topic stuff that people want to see.

I can't say I fully understand the current issues myself, but apparently the changes are going to make it more difficult to keep on top of the amount of spam coming in.

I don't know who the mods are and I can't read their minds, but I find it hard to believe that every moderator on every subreddit is suddenly delighting in keeping people out of the information they have worked hard to keep organised.

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Originally Posted by dansetal

How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?

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By getting the reddit mods to stop thinking that they are more important than they actually are. In other words, you can't. They're too busy going on a power trip right now.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"please reopen the reddit for my convenience because i dont care about anything else but myself"

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Rare Stormpeaks L take.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

All of these should just be consolidated into one. We really should not have to sift through discords and old websites that are filled with confusing and outdated information in order to find what we need. Google searches bring up Reddit as the top answer the majority of the time, and it's a pain that so much information is locked on the website so now we have to go hunting. This game needed something like WoWhead yesterday; it's just a nightmare.
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Going to be real I don't know why people struggle to find information about this game it's pretty well-documented if you know where to look.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I can't say I fully understand the current issues myself, but apparently the changes are going to make it more difficult to keep on top of the amount of spam coming in.

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r/AskHistorians had a lovely write-up here with a follow-up here. I'm neither a prolific contributor nor reader, so I don't pretend to have experience with Reddit-particular quirks. To summarize what has been presented, however:

1. Effective moderation, especially of larger subreddits, relies on a wide range of tools that rely on the API and are unavailable via Reddit. Identifying posts that violate the rules, automating functionality, and moderating while away from a desktop all would be made far more difficult or impossible with the changes at the current price point. In Reddit's own app, moderators cannot see which posts have been reported by users as requiring moderation, cannot see removed posts by their peers for review (and revert, if required), cannot see what actions are required. Moderation becomes limited to when a moderator happens to be physically sitting at their desk instead of being able to receive automatic notification and pop in whenever and wherever an issue arises.

2. Any user with visual impairments cannot use the Reddit mobile app well or at all. This one is particularly close to home to me due to working with programs for the disabled for some time in college, and it's thus one that sticks out to me. Reddit hasn't cared about accessibility in the last nine years, presumably because they haven't been large enough of a user base to be monetizeable and turn a profit. This is a gap currently filled only by third-party apps, and it is a gap that will be forced open again when those apps are removed. Supposedly, Reddit has promised they will review accessibility features in the future, but...

3. Reddit has regularly made promises of new features to replace much of what is being destroyed, but is closing off free access to the API in advance of these new features. They have been offered compromises such as a phased implementation as replacement Reddit alternatives become available; these compromises have been rejected by Reddit. They've promised new moderator features that have yet to materialize in the last eight years, requested to combat hate speech and disinformation as well as ordinary ToS violations. They've rolled back promises about features implemented as "opt-in" that were later made required. It seems a decade of broken promises has created an air of mistrust that would make compromise difficult even if both sides were amenable.

From what I've seen, it appears that this is a pretty big straw, but it's the last in a larger pile that's been building for some time.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

There's always this talk about the protest accomplishing anything via hurting reddit's pocket book

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I believe the motivation is much more about forcibly-drawing attention to the issue, and attempting to wield "grassroots" power to try to effect change via defiance.

Indeed, Reddit is quite skilled at hurting its own pocketbook; it does not need much assistance in that endeavor. And it would take much longer than days or weeks to effect any serious revenue consequences, as people would need to stop participating in addictive and compulsive Reddit microtransactions (they will not), and advertisers would need to be convinced to pull out (which usually takes more than a brief firestorm, assuming it's not something that renders a property instantly-radioactive, like antisemitic statements).

I suspect that most involved are well-aware of that.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

but it's like you forget the bottom line. In this specific situation this is unnecessary. Given time reddit as a company is going to suffer from the consequences of its actions here. You can just sit back and wait for it to happen.

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There is no proof of this. It is also a perplexing attitude which seems to suggest that complacency and capitulation is the path to victory, because of something like, "everything will just work out if you relax, and the bad actors will inevitably receive karmic punishment"... which I think most of history demonstrates to the contrary.

In fact, the opposite is likely to occur — people know this, and so they are attempting to apply the pressure necessary to force change while they feel that they still can, and in a situation where they suspect that complacency will otherwise prevail... as it has on, for example, Twitter.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Why are you so determined to be antagonistic?

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I cannot parse much meaning from this question. To the best of my perception, no one is "determined to be antagonistic".

A series of steps and negotiations were taken to attempt to resolve this situation over the course of many long months, if not years. Most of these actions were invisible to the greater public because they took place as private negotiations between app creators, moderators, and the Reddit administration.

As the deadline to the change approached, Reddit's previously ambiguous — or even outright-misleading — comments and assurances slowly began to sharpen more clearly into the opposite of what people wanted to hear. It seems reasonable to assume that this occurred because Reddit's owners and operators knew that being too honest about their plans, too soon, would prove disadvantageous to their long-term goals.

When it finally became clear — very shortly before deadline — that the negotiations and discussions were largely a farce, those poised to be negatively affected by it scrambled to organise a different response, now that "peaceful resolution" seemed to have been taken off the table.

This is very similar to what occurs when talks break down between a business and its unionised workers, and the pattern was similar: rather than a sudden eruption of arbitrary psychopathy, what you are witnessing is instead the result of prolonged behind-doors negotiations finally spilling into public attention once it became clear that further discussion would not produce results satisfactory nor acceptable to both affected parties.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Do the subreddit moderators feel the need to throw their weight around that much?

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This also seems like a mischaracterisation — to assume that moderators attempting to preserve their ability to function and maintain the environments that they passionately care about are merely 'showing off' or 'throwing their power around'.

It seems obvious to me that such an idea is an oversimplification, based on the simple fact that such blackouts rarely ever occur. If moderators were interested in demonstrating petty power, they would regularly perform such stunts — especially given the general community fascination with insulting and antagonising Reddit moderators.

Instead, when subreddits have been hijacked or suddenly shut down in the past, the community has usually successfully-rallied to overthrow and oust one particular bad actor, and then return back to a normal state in the hands of new moderators that once again attempt to serve the needs of the community.

Furthermore, the moderators gain no specific personal benefit from this protest, and stand to gain nearly no personal compensation even if Reddit is forced to capitulate on the changes; they are essentially fighting for nothing other than the hope of preserving their access to tools that allow them to do their work on the site.

You are essentially complaining that unpaid volunteers are demonstrably upset that their ability to do their unpaid volunteer work is about to become significantly more onerous, and twisting it into a mischaracterisation of them as some sort of petty feudal warlords that are flexing power out of a simple joy in cruelty (or something).

In fact, it is ironic that a suspicious majority of the subreddits that did not partake in the blackouts are connected to a small cadre of moderators who are known to staff sometimes hundreds of the most popular subreddits and act with a will that somewhat resembles a mafia, and likely have personal reasons for quietly enabling Reddit's corporate actions.

In which case, one could say that the moderators who are doing what you personally want are also "throwing their weight around" — but in a direction that you personally approve of.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

It's also pretty ironic that you're sitting here discussing how people's impatience with the reddit blackout is going to cause the internet to enter into an age of corporate-controlled dystopia,

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This is mischaracterised. I implied that it was symptomatic of a general trend in human behavior that will likely end at such an endpoint, and is in fact rapidly-accelerating towards it with each passing year.

I still believe that is correct, although attributing it to any single specific incident or example would, indeed, be an oversimplification — like most historical outcomes.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

when the reality is most people are willing to let nature take its course with reddit and move on.

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On what evidence do you base this claim?

It seems far more likely to me that most people are focused on the here-and-now only, and so long as the faucet of content scroll continues to entertain them, they will happily behave like a benumbed version of the "This Is Fine" Dog.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You're the one that's like it's going to be the end of the world,

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This is a mischaracterisation and exaggeration. At no point did I imply any eschatological consequences to Reddit becoming an even more corporatised and user-unfriendly dark-pattern data-gathering advertising-controlled hell-hole.

All I asserted was that it was another brick paving the road for a lower-quality user experience for essentially everyone on the Internet, as more and more companies begin to grow more and more aggressive in their control and monetisation tactics, even if it may not seem immediately obvious in the moment.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

so you're more likely to be addicted to it than the people you're calling out.

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This is a mischaracterisation. My contact with Reddit each day is limited, and I find such systems to generally be a poor use of time that insidiously saps mental productivity away from more concretely-enriching tasks and activities.

Clearly, at the least, I am not reliant enough upon Reddit to feel compelled to make threads on the FFXIV General Forum begging people to begin brainstorming strikebreaking methods.

The "blackout" has been, at most, mildly inconvenient to me, but since I've simply shifted where I spend those 10-15 minutes per day, I feel no significant overall loss, and no significant overall concern about the potential duration of the protest.

Nonetheless, the situation is still an emblematic example of the threats and issues facing modern-day users, customers, and consumers as tensions between corporate goals and individual usability and freedoms continue to heat up, so I have taken an interest in its details.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You just can't handle the thought of the old status quo changing.

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This is both an ad hominem and a mischaracterisation.

Firstly, the preexisting "status quo" at Reddit was already relatively low-quality and in constant decline, so to suggest that I have an investment in it is misleading.

Secondly, my concern is not with whether or not a given "status quo" changes; it is with the specific changes occurring, and the specific consequences that will result from that.

You are flatly-incorrect in attempting to characterise my response as being born merely from "resistance to change", and you are also obscuring the concerns at play by trying to characterise the situation as merely "the status quo is changing" — a statement which, in and of itself, contains as much information and meaning as a handful of air.

For example, if the microstate of Malta somehow became an invincible nuclear superpower and conquered the world tomorrow, and it was thereafter decreed that all other citizens of Earth were now the property and slaves of Malta, this would by definition be a significant change to "the status quo".

However, to reduce your probable objections to that situation as "not being able to handle the status quo changing" would fail to properly-acknowledge the actual reasons that you might be concerned about it.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Most of us will adapt once it's all over, which is why you're the one acting like it's a life or death fight, when it really isn't.

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I cannot speak for others, but I have never intended to characterise the dramatic decline in quality and usability of a single social media site as "a life or death fight".

However, I also believe in the seemingly-obvious nuance that a topic does not have to involve literal physiological survival in order to be worth discussing, arguing about, and — if deemed necessary and appropriate — fighting for.

Frankly, the fact that you use hyperbolic speech such as "adapting once it's all over", as if you are enduring an ecological collapse of some sort, itself seems curiously-exaggerated; the most likely outcome of the entire situation, in the short-term, is that the protest will be broken by a corporation with far more power, time, money, and influence than any volunteers, and everyone will rubberband back to upvoting pictures of Y'shtola smoking in a thong, and purge from their minds the traumatic dark times when Reddit didn't work for a few weeks.

I could, in turn, suggest that you yourself stop considering it "a life or death matter" that you can't browse a subreddit for a few weeks while some people far more invested in the situation than you (ie, the moderation teams of Reddit) are attempting to preserve not just what has become a hobby and a minor way-of-life for them, but also the quality of the experience for everyone else who uses the content that they keep clean and moderated.

In the short term, you can see only that you are being inconvenienced — not that it's an attempt to prevent worse consequences in the longer term.

That you state on one hand that "everyone's ready to move on", and on the other seem so agitated about being locked out of a subreddit, suggests that your assertions may be inaccurate.

Ultimately, I suppose it's simply a fundamental difference in philosophy here — some people think that if a fight doesn't immediately seem to favor you, then you should just roll over and let it happen. Other people think that standing your ground, even if the odds are against you, is worth it — for any number of reasons, which can vary from individual to individual.

The blackouts are based on the latter principle, and have nothing to do with "petty power" or "throwing tantrums" or whatever common and misleading characterisations are being effectively-used to turn public sentiment against protesters.

Wow. I came to the forum wondering if I could find out why information regarding the game has been blocked off regarding Reddit when you google something you don't understand about the game, and I'm seeing the reason why. Some very juvenile responses to this post.

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Originally Posted by Nightlistic

Wow. I came to the forum wondering if I could find out why information regarding the game has been blocked off regarding Reddit when you google something you don't understand about the game, and I'm seeing the reason why. Some very juvenile responses to this post.

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The whole blackout situation itself is juvenile. Juvenile mods trying to throw their weight around to stick it to juvenile admins all while juvenile redditors think that this is anything but a juvenile charade.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

The whole blackout situation itself is juvenile. Juvenile mods trying to throw their weight around to stick it to juvenile admins all while juvenile redditors think that this is anything but a juvenile charade.

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Keep in mind that it all started with the CEO being greedy and effectively shutting down third party readers.

Go call the cops on them.

From what I've seen, the community was polled ahead of this and a large majority chose in favor of going dark. There should be a poll up at some point today where you have the opportunity to vote for staying closed longer or opening back up. If anyone's looking for island sanctuary updates, look up the Overseas Casuals discord. It's the same group that put out the reddit threads for the IS workshop, so you can get your daily workshop schedule set or check out the fortuneteller recommendations if you just want to visit once a week.

I will honestly admit that I've been a whole lot more productive and less stressed in the last week since I haven't been on Reddit arguing with strangers.

Y'all are welcome to join the Tumblr XIV community in the meantime. We're weirdos, and we aren't attached to Google search at the hip like Reddit, but we're friendly.

It's looking rather obvious there'll be no budging, so if the subs going dark want to do more than piss into the wind they're going to have to nut up and take concrete action. That means immediately going scorched earth on their subs, leaving behind nothing but some links to alternate communities on other services. Anything else, is nothing but reddit waiting out the clock and forgetting this hiccup a week later. Sure, the site will probably do a rollback, but this way at least there's an attempt to jumpstart the exodus. All we're seeing right now is an "I can fix her" arc, as she passes out while smoking crack in the bathroom and sets the house on fire.

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Keep in mind that it all started with the CEO being greedy and effectively shutting down third party readers.

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https://medium.com/yardcouch-com/the...s-cb0da61aca56

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. They also banned anyone who spoke out against this censorship. Mods became power-hungry dictators, erasing anyone who dared to challenge them.

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Reddit mods will ban anyone they want for any reason they want, then mute you for protesting the ban, no accountability, no one to answer to..in recent years reddit has gained a reputation as the direct antithesis of free speech. The mods need a reality check. They do not own and did not create the content they are locking off for others. I hope they all get removed.

Reddit is losing money

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It’s hard to anticipate the total amount of money Reddit will save and earn after implementing charges for high-usage, third-party apps. But Huffman says the “pure infrastructure costs” of supporting these apps costs Reddit about $10 million each year.

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Experts also pointed to the significance of Reddit showing a way to charge AI companies that have historically used Reddit data at no cost to develop large-scale and for-profit AI models.

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Companies or organisations that cant pay for themselves usually wind up closed.

Have never needed to go to Reddit for anything. Take a break, do something else.