Zenos will return in 7.0

To be honest, I half expected him to have been completely erased at first. The spell he cast at the cost of his life seemed like the kind of thing that would also consume the soul's aether. To later encounter him in the aetherial sea was a neat little surprise. He may not get brought back, but I have a hard time thinking SE will never use him again. Even if it's only in image or memory, he's bound to make an appearance somewhere down the line.

In the name of the 12 and all that is goid and holy let that b......d stay dead. In my headcanon i didnt fight him to death, i just turned around and left him to rot stranded there.
He has outstayed his welcome and i dont want to fight him ever again, like ever.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

They come up with some weasely "but he is zenos from other shard" explanation.

But if he is loporrit, then i guess it is fine.

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That reminds me, I've been kicking around a crackpot theory for a while that Golbez is actually a shard of Emperor Varis.

It'd certainly be a WAY more interesting twist than Golbez being a shard of the WoL.

At least I have an alt that looks mostly like Papalymo. o^o
So he is alive!

But for real, I know the chance is incredibly low, but I have my hope. I saw some 1.0 cutzenes. He was sometimes really funny. In the starting cutzenes he got carried from Yda to save him, saying: "Put me down!". I remembered this, when Thancred carried Yda away from Papalymo, to save her, in Papalymos last cutzene, while she says almost the same words like Papalymo in the 1.0 startingcutszenes. "Put me down!". :'(

I don't know why they decided to kick him out but maybe just because they don't wanted two blackmages in the long run. Papalymo was thaumaturge. And maybe they decided to just keep Y'shtola. Otherwise Papalymo would have needed a new job I guess. But of course I don't know what they thought. But I didn't like what they did with him and that his sacrifiy got much less attention compared to other Npcs who passed away.

I also think that it's very sad what happend with Minfilia. But that's another different story.

I like it that the game has enough depth that people care about the characters. That's a positive thing in FFXIV imo. : )

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

In the name of the 12 and all that is goid and holy let that b......d stay dead. In my headcanon i didnt fight him to death, i just turned around and left him to rot stranded there.
He has outstayed his welcome and i dont want to fight him ever again, like ever.

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I feel the same way about Graha Tia yet here we are.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

Oh god, I love you so much, Sassy. xD

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Haha I love you too Roni xD <3

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

In the name of the 12 and all that is goid and holy let that b......d stay dead. In my headcanon i didnt fight him to death, i just turned around and left him to rot stranded there.
He has outstayed his welcome and i dont want to fight him ever again, like ever.

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Zenos is our DBZ Vegeta. Super bad, then turned good guy and our friend

Please no... Zeno was and is one of the worst characters ever.... waste of time character.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Please no... Zeno was and is one of the worst characters ever.... waste of time character.

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Id argue he is one of the best characters
Sometimes less is more. He had a Motivation, and we didnt need to be spoon fed some dramatic Justification for it, I didnt need to be convinced of anything or take his side, he was simple and straight forword, and I personally loved that.
He didnt care about Politics, he just wanted a good fight, and the 2 of us (Zenos and the WoL) were the only ones that could provide that for eachother.

The only character in this game that Id argue has been a waste, is Papalymo

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The most logical (and seemingly accurate) explanation for why Zenos didn't get involved with Eorzea sooner is simply that it wasn't his row to hoe. Someone that "done" with life isn't exactly going to go out of his way to intervene on behalf of another ranking Garlean officer without a very good reason, and at that time the WoL was likely beneath his notice.

As for why a man with all that power wouldn't just go do whatever he wanted? Lack of drive. It was made known to us that Zenos's childhood was uh... horrible, to put it bluntly. He was vastly superior to all of his peers, and even the man chosen to teach him the art of the sword could only hold an edge over him due to the Garlean people's inherent deficiency in manipulating aether. Zenos was so determined to master his teacher's skills that he shoved crystals into his flesh, allowing him to utilize their aether. With this, he proceeded to slay his instructor with the man's own technique. It would be the last time he felt much of anything until meeting the WoL, an individual in whom he saw a great rival.

Being raised as a child soldier, or in his case a child supersoldier, kinda robs you of a lot of perspective. There are a great many things in the world you're like as not never going to consider pursuing, and life paths other than those thrust upon you by your caretakers are pretty high on that last. His upbringing aside (noting also that he had caretakers/handlers, as his parents couldn't be arsed to bother with him), his unusual abilities more or less meant he was a pariah. Not just to others, but even in his own mind. He knew he wasn't like them. Prodigious talent has a way of alienating people to an insane degree, unfortunately.

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Varis was also far from father of the year material. He knew that swordmaster could kill his son and didn't do anything to stop it. He talks about Zenos being a monster later on but he created that monster with neglect, indifference, and zeal to just use him for Garlean's own ends.

I didn't really care for Zenos until EW and reading the Chronicle of Light story, but now I feel it's a shame he never got the chance to be someone else. Gaius did (but they admitted his living was a retcon), but Yotsuyu didn't and neither did Zenos. Not all villains need some sort of redemption. Ilberd and Thordan show us that. But EW showed that Zenos did take what Alisaie said to heart and I felt that sort of development deserved at least a chance to follow a different path.

We didn't see him dissolve into aether, so I do still have some small hope we might see his return.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

But EW showed that Zenos did take what Alisaie said to heart and I felt that sort of development deserved at least a chance to follow a different path.

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My read on that was that Zenos just doubled down on his existing path. He still didn't care about actually doing anything constructive with his power; he just finally realized that the only way to get the fight he wanted was to help clear our obstacles so we'd have no further distractions. He has no interest in saving the world or stopping the Final Day; he only helps us fight the Endsinger to get her out of his way.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

My read on that was that Zenos just doubled down on his existing path. He still didn't care about actually doing anything constructive with his power; he just finally realized that the only way to get the fight he wanted was to help clear our obstacles so we'd have no further distractions. He has no interest in saving the world or stopping the Final Day; he only helps us fight the Endsinger to get her out of his way.

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Nobody's encouraged him to do anything constructive with his power. I think just like Fourchenault thought we were a bad influence on the kids, we could be a good influence there. Like Cid (and Jessie) turned Nero to constructive uses.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Please no... Zeno was and is one of the worst characters ever.... waste of time character.

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The only thing I really hate Zenos for was killing off Varis, therefore robbing the last chance for the Garlean faction to have any real agency or proper development in the story instead of being entirely off-screened. After all, the only reason the Ascian arc was rescued in the end was because the writing staff created Emet-Selch and retconned Solus into being one of his personas to advance the Ascian plot. Beyond that, I consider Zenos a necessary force to the story, Fandaniel is probably way more at fault for what ultimately happened to Garlemald right afterwards.

I will take back those words if we actually get to go to Corvos and get a proper resolution with the remaining Garleans there, but it's looking more doubtful as time goes on.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

No he better come back as a Loporrits.

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yep.

A very angry and bored Loporrit called "Selfishway".

He walks around bored and cold to everyone but trying to find anyone capable of beating him in a Triple Triad match. In fact, he could be the "last boss" of the mini game having the best AI when we play TT against him. He could give us a special Triple Triad card if we beat him. The card could be a beaten-to-death Zenos with 1 in all sides of the card (best card for the reverse rule, btw). :D

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Originally Posted by Soge01

As a Lalafell set to the smallest size. You will fear him. You will love him. And you will want to punt him or give him many headpats. The choice is yours~

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We already have Zezekuta..

I do think I would unironically enjoy Zenos' voice actor in a lalafell body. It sounds hilarious.

FFXIV players let a popular character stay dead challenge (Impossible) (Gone Violent?)

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

yep.

A very angry and bored Loporrit called "Selfishway".

He walks around bored and cold to everyone but trying to find anyone capable of beating him in a Triple Triad match. In fact, he could be the "last boss" of the mini game having the best AI when we play TT against him. He could give us a special Triple Triad card if we beat him. The card could be a beaten-to-death Zenos with 1 in all sides of the card (best card for the reverse rule, btw). :D

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:D
You win the Interwebs this month!

Clearly he has to return once an ultimate or two feature him, duh.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

If he comes back, that is quite likely a point where I will say bye to the game. He died, leave him dead, delete any future references to him, and celebrate the most 1-dimensional character is gone.

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If Zenos comes back... they are fresh out of ideas. They've done well with introducing other characters so they shouldn't shy away from something new.

Zenos will return as part of the 6.5 Hildebrand quest. After watching Hildy do his thing, Zenos decides he was better off dead and throws himself into the sun.

Still gets added to the closing dance number, though.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos will return as part of the 6.5 Hildebrand quest. After watching Hildy do his thing, Zenos decides he was better off dead and throws himself into the sun.

Still gets added to the closing dance number, though.

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I want this partly because it sounds hilarious and partly the forums will implode over that.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos will return as part of the 6.5 Hildebrand quest. After watching Hildy do his thing, Zenos decides he was better off dead and throws himself into the sun.

Still gets added to the closing dance number, though.

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No! seal Zenos' soul in my weapons so I can fight with him forever! D':

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I want this partly because it sounds hilarious and partly the forums will implode over that.

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Zenos's dummy thicc self will clap too much in the dance sequence, they can't have that.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

We didn't see him dissolve into aether, so I do still have some small hope we might see his return.

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It's possible there was nothing left within him to facilitate dissolution. If Zenos used up the aether of his soul in that fight, then he would be well and truly gone; his body naught but an empty shell. Hydaelyn lasted long enough after completely draining herself to share a few parting words (and a gift for the WoL) with the Scions, so it stands to reason Zenos would be able to hang on long enough for a brief exchange as well.

Admittedly Hydaelyn did dissolve after her death, but her body was also made up entirely of aether. Zenos' body is quite physical, and he was nowhere near anything resembling a lifestream to which he could return even if his soul is still intact.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

It's possible there was nothing left within him to facilitate dissolution. If Zenos used up the aether of his soul in that fight, then he would be well and truly gone; his body naught but an empty shell. Hydaelyn lasted long enough after completely draining herself to share a few parting words (and a gift for the WoL) with the Scions, so it stands to reason Zenos would be able to hang on long enough for a brief exchange as well.

Admittedly Hydaelyn did dissolve after her death, but her body was also made up entirely of aether. Zenos' body is quite physical, and he was nowhere near anything resembling a lifestream to which he could return even if his soul is still intact.

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It's possible but after Gaius (and Koji flat out admitted that was a retcon) I'm suspicious anytime we don't see the body dissipate now.

The whole dissolving into aether thing has never been consistent anyway. More than anything, it's depended on whether we needed a body around for the following scenes or not.

its possible considering they keep referring to him in current content

He's died before. He got better.

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Bring him back. Bring him back. Bring him back.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I want this partly because it sounds hilarious and partly the forums will implode over that.

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I can think of something extra spicy.

Some Asahi-level simps in-universe get to Ultima Thule and pray super hard for him to come back, he briefly regains enough of himself to become aware of that fact, notes that they're creepy af, and he ultimately decides that he alone is the master of his own fate and that his return to life shouldn't be dictated by anyone but the WoL. Then he offs himself immediately afterwards.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

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Bring him back. Bring him back. Bring him back.

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no, thanks. No, thanks. No, thanks :3

I think he could have be dead since StB. Instead of him at EW, we could had Shinryu (the true one, alive and kicking even after the fight against Omega). Shinryu could've be the "last boss" after or before the Endsinger (maybe before, somehow). Despite that, I'm ok to see Zenos gone at the end of the universe. It was well deserved. But, please, no more Zenos! '-'

Want a hot dude? Let them create a new one. No need for psychos that kills their own parents no more... '-'

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

no, thanks. No, thanks. No, thanks :3

I think he could have be dead since StB. Instead of him at EW, we could had Shinryu (the true one, alive and kicking even after the fight against Omega). Shinryu could've be the "last boss" after or before the Endsinger (maybe before, somehow). Despite that, I'm ok to see Zenos gone at the end of the universe. It was well deserved. But, please, no more Zenos! '-'

Want a hot dude? Let them create a new one. No need for psychos that kills their own parents no more... '-'

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The stories pretty awful at this point anyways. Might as well go full fan service.

Give me more Emet, give me more Zenos.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

The stories pretty awful at this point anyways. Might as well go full fan service.

Give me more Emet, give me more Zenos.

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Emet?? I really agree :3 <3

Zenos?? naahh u.u

Hythlodeus could be back instead of Zenos :3

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

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Bring him back. Bring him back. Bring him back.

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Oh yes that’s the stuff

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

Emet?? I really agree :3 <3

Zenos?? naahh u.u

Hythlodeus could be back instead of Zenos :3

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Zenos can stay dead if we bring Emet back to life. It's only fair. He must become our new travelling companion. I want to listen to him complain again.

Bring Emet back so I can put a hole in his chest again <3<3

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Zenos can stay dead if we bring Emet back to life. It's only fair. He must become our new travelling companion. I want to listen to him complain again.

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Imagine if Emet become a Scion!!

Would be perfect :)

To have him for trust parties and more cutscenes with him :D

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

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Bring him back. Bring him back. Bring him back.

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Where's that kid from the DRK Stormblood questline when you need him?