Valentoine event was great! But the rewards contradict the message

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You're right. They should've just skipped the backlog of gender locked gear, so folks could get the immediate satisfaction. Lesson learned. :rolleyes:

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Either way we get "one more unlocked outfit"; it might as well be the one that makes thematic sense right now.

The rewards for the quest being genderlocked is extremely embarrassing for FFXIV in context of a story-focused game and the entire quest line contradicting the message the rewards are saying.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

The rewards for the quest being genderlocked is extremely embarrassing for FFXIV in context of a story-focused game and the entire quest line contradicting the message the rewards are saying.

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"Dress however you want...but only in the ways we want you to."

-SE

Honestly, that sounds exactly like something they would do. I was not surprised in the least. SE is really floundering lately. If they aren't careful, all these little things will add up to a big problem for them. And Blizzard has finally stepped up their game with WoW, so...they need to tread lightly.

The only thing embarrassing is these takes when it's clear that a change is on the way. You already won your fight, yet you keep acting like they haven't done anything in your favor. I was pleasantly surprised to even see the story put in there. Could they make it any clearer?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The only thing embarrassing is these takes when it's clear that a change is on the way. You already won your fight, yet you keep acting like they haven't done anything in your favor. I was pleasantly surprised to even see the story put in there. Could they make it any clearer?

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My issue with it is that instead of just fitting everything WHILE they are putting the event together, they just...kick the can down the road, when they could have just gotten it over with already. This happens a lot, and not just with glamours. I get that they don't always have the time and resources for things, but it is odd to me to genderlock 2 outfits only to unlock them later, when they could have been designed to fit both from the start. They are making more work for themselves for no reason. I don't doubt that a change is on the way. I just don't think a change would have been needed at all if they had just done it from the get-go. I don't even like these outfits, but I can see the flaw in their design methods. This isn't some small indie developer, though they certainly make it look like they are sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

My issue with it is that instead of just fitting everything WHILE they are putting the event together, they just...kick the can down the road, when they could have just gotten it over with already. This happens a lot. I get that they don't always have the time and resources for things, but it is odd to me to genderlock 2 outfits only to unlock them later, when they could have been designed to fit both from the start. They are making more work for themselves for no reason. I don't doubt that a change is on the way. I just don't think a change would have been needed at all if they had just done it from the get-go. I don't even like these outfits, but I can see the flaw in their design methods.

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These updates weren't a part of their update schedule and they've already got plenty that isn't locked. You're overlooking the island rewards which are all unlocked and have been since IS was introduced. I'm sure those were a good deal easier to fit.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

These updates weren't a part of their update schedule and they've already got plenty that isn't locked. You're overlooking the island rewards which are all unlocked and have been since IS was introduced. I'm sure those were a good deal easier to fit.

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Holiday events are always part of their update schedule. They have been for the better part of 10 years now.

I mean it looks like some of it was on its way to being done but they didn't finish in time, no? I figure it's been all hands on deck with FF16 for CBU3 for the past several months.

Is it kinda lame? Sure. But it just isn't that big a deal as you guys are intent on making it IMO.

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Originally Posted by Spooky_Tanuki

I’ve seen posts suggesting the outfits weren’t polished yet for all gender combinations with things like this happening:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...7612/image.png

It’s very possible they’ll be gender unlocked eventually like past Valentione stuff.

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ahahahhahahaha what the heck
is this real, are all highlanders seriously affected by this?
someone made a cosmetic upscale mod for this outfit and wrote in the description that "it works for highlanders" and I was genuinely confused but now I understand, I get it now
jesus christ. this just furthers my belief that they must've tested the new outfit on lalafells and maybe catgirls and then just said "Whatever" for everyone else.
edit: Oh is that the dress? Alright that actually makes sense if it looks like shit, since they probably just didn't expect people to use it anyway since it's not available. NEVERMIND.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Holiday events are always part of their update schedule. They have been for the better part of 10 years now.

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I'm talking about the gender unlocked outfits. That's all I've been talking about, as that's what this thread is all about.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I'm talking about the gender unlocked outfits.

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I am not. I am talking about the outfits this thread is about, which is the current event outfits. Not all genderlocked/unlocked outfits. These. However, I do view these as a symptom of a larger issue.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

I mean it looks like some of it was on its way to being done but they didn't finish in time, no? I figure it's been all hands on deck with FF16 for CBU3 for the past several months.

Is it kinda lame? Sure. But it just isn't that big a deal as you guys are intent on making it IMO.

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If you're gonna try that kind of math, show the work because it doesn't add up.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I am not. I am talking about the outfits this thread is about, which is the current event outfits. Not all genderlocked/unlocked outfits. These. However, I do view these as a symptom of a larger issue.

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From the 6.3 notes....

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The following items can now be equipped regardless of gender:

Valentione Apron Valentione Trousers Valentione Apron Dress Valentione Skirt Royal Seneschal's Chapeau Royal Seneschal's Coat Royal Seneschal's Fingerless Gloves Royal Seneschal's Breeches Royal Seneschal's Boots Songbird Boots Songbird Hat Songbird Jacket Songbird Gloves Songbird Skirt Valentione Rose Hat Valentione Rose Waistcoat Valentione Rose Gloves Valentione Rose Slacks Valentione Rose Shoes Valentione Rose Ribboned Hat Valentione Rose Dress Valentione Rose Ribboned Gloves Valentione Rose Tights Valentione Rose Heels Valentione Forget-me-not Hat Valentione Forget-me-not Waistcoat Valentione Forget-me-not Gloves Valentione Forget-me-not Slacks Valentione Forget-me-not Shoes Valentione Forget-me-not Ribboned Hat Valentione Forget-me-not Dress Valentione Forget-me-not Ribboned Gloves Valentione Forget-me-not Tights Valentione Forget-me-not Heels Valentione Acacia Hat Valentione Acacia Waistcoat Valentione Acacia Gloves Valentione Acacia Slacks Valentione Acacia Shoes Valentione Acacia Ribboned Hat Valentione Acacia Dress Valentione Acacia Ribboned Gloves Valentione Acacia Tights Valentione Acacia Heels Bergsteiger's Hat Bergsteiger's Jacket Bergsteiger's Halfgloves Bergsteiger's Halfslops Bergsteiger's Boots Dirndl's Hat Dirndl's Bodice Dirndl's Wrist Torque Dirndl's Long Skirt Dirndl's Pumps

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You're so ridiculously blind and obtuse. I can't anymore. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

From the 6.3 notes....



You're so ridiculously blind and obtuse. I can't anymore. :rolleyes:

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Nope. You are just deflecting. I won't be talking to you about this any further.

The problem isnt: genderlocked rewards
The problem is: genderlocked rewards in a questline about breaking gender norms.

Who cares about a possible change? The stench remains.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

The problem isnt: genderlocked rewards
The problem is: genderlocked rewards in a questline about breaking gender norms.

Who cares about a possible change? The stench remains.

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I wonder if they are implying that the WoL is canonically a traditionalist? /jk

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

The problem isnt: genderlocked rewards
The problem is: genderlocked rewards in a questline about breaking gender norms.

Who cares about a possible change? The stench remains.

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Not at all. I feel like anyone who isn't taking a game absurdly over-seriously recognizes all the gender-unlocking they've been doing, plus the ability to simply buy the other gender set for now to use later. It's called recognizing basic reality.

That is ... pretty hardline stance there.

I had another think about this, and I'm now almost completely convinced that the glam reward designers had utterly no idea what this year's Valentione's Day event was going to be about. These costumes could have been made several months in advance, or longer.

It's not just that the sets are gender-locked, it's that they aren't even that different from each other! The hat, jacket, and shoes are extremely similar. The main difference is whether there's a skirt that flares out, or pants. Hardly anything like the sharp dichotomy between the clothes the quest NPCs are made to wear. Imagine how confusing the cutscenes would be, if those characters were wearing basically 85% the same dang clothing, but being told one of them is "dashing" and "handsome" versus "adorable" and "winsome." It would really obfuscate the point, and beg the question "If you were going to go this route, why did you make their costumes so similar!?" And really I think that's why one of the NPC's outfits wound up in a random black suit and pants that is already available in the game, instead of a completely new ensemble created for this event. They had to improvise something to fit the story, without any novel support from the design team.

I could be wrong, but just what I think right now.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

The problem isnt: genderlocked rewards
The problem is: genderlocked rewards in a questline about breaking gender norms.

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That's not the impression I got. Lisette and her sister Emilie are both Elezen females. While the former embraces her femininity, the latter felt like she needed to dress the part in order to run the event in place of Lisette. However, this made her uncomfortable and she didn't feel like she was being herself. That doesn't have anything to do with breaking gender norms; you're just under the impression it does because Emilie likes to wear men's attire, and does not like cutesy compliments. The moral of the story is about staying true to one's self.

If I wanted to project my own feelings into the matter, I would say that Emilie couldn't help but be selfish despite wanting to do a very unselfish and loving gesture for her sister. She had to make things about herself and her feelings even though it was supposed to be about the courtship between Lisette and her significant other. She couldn't suck up leaving her comfort zone for one day for the sake of her sister's happiness. No one even forced her to change. She took it upon herself to do so, and couldn't commit to it. The options given to me to say to her were not what I wanted to express in even the slightest. What I took from this quest is if you're winy and pout, you get consoled.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I had another think about this, and I'm now almost completely convinced that the glam reward designers had utterly no idea what this year's Valentione's Day event was going to be about. These costumes could have been made several months in advance, or longer.

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Correct. I'll link this dev blog entry again. There's a whole process that starts well before the expansion launches where they plan the items out.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

The problem isnt: genderlocked rewards
The problem is: genderlocked rewards in a questline about breaking gender norms.

Who cares about a possible change? The stench remains.

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On the other side, I’m thinking could this be a secret message and premonition from SE and Yoshi-P to say that in the future, many many more gears and armor sets will not be genderlocked anymore?

Or am I reaching for the moon here?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Forever wishing for LOTRO-esque seasonal events.

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Can you share more how that is?

I liked GW2 Xmas event. It’s soo immersive.

I'm a bit confused why they would actually decide to do this and give us gender locked glamour - thoughts typically migrate towards it being cultural in this decision due to perception of the different cultures around the world. Do they see women always in dresses? Do they see ladies who dress like men? Men who dress like ladies? Reminds me a lot of Gilgamesh in fact...

Excuse me. Back to topic, I think we need to consider how much we've asked for gender locked items to be unlocked in the past. If there is enough push by the community for it, then they will send it. This I am sure. Of course, how much push that would be is in question...like the Maid and Butler outfits they sent before I think?

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

I'm a bit confused why they would actually decide to do this and give us gender locked glamour - thoughts typically migrate towards it being cultural in this decision due to perception of the different cultures around the world. Do they see women always in dresses? Do they see ladies who dress like men? Men who dress like ladies? Reminds me a lot of Gilgamesh in fact...

Excuse me. Back to topic, I think we need to consider how much we've asked for gender locked items to be unlocked in the past. If there is enough push by the community for it, then they will send it. This I am sure. Of course, how much push that would be is in question...like the Maid and Butler outfits they sent before I think?

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Go to each Major Patch and do a search on the word gender. Come back and tell me that there needs to be any kind of extra push. Tell me how they're slacking and screwing people over and say it with your whole chest. :rolleyes: Endwalker has been ALL about these unlocks.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Go to each Major Patch and do a search on the word gender. Come back and tell me that there needs to be any kind of extra push. Tell me how they're slacking and screwing people over and say it with your whole chest. :rolleyes: Endwalker has been ALL about these unlocks.

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It's what I implied in my last post. I can't be the only one who believes the devs says things without actually saying them. This thread and others before it have no shortages of players who feel totally screwed over anytime gear is released and is gender locked. I can't help but think Emilie represents those players. "Screw Lisette. Screw the whole event. This is about ME!"

I hope the contradiction between the quest and the rewards will be addressed. For me personally, not being able to choose which reward I wanted, regardless of gender, felt like a betrayal to the message of the quest which was to be true to your heart. I understand that the unlock may come later, but it should have been included from the initial release or at the very least be addressed in some way.

Thank you for creating this thread -- I hope the community team will flag this and consider the implications. I enjoyed the quest and felt the rewards really missed the mark.

Why does it matter if the gear is genderlocked? It doesnt matter if it is the correct answer. It doesnt matter if everything isnt. Stop whining everytime we get new items.